EPTUK Politics Mega-thread - Page 370
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Plansix
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bardtown
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Plansix
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That isn’t a conversation degrading. That is a conversation ending, likely forever. | ||
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Gorsameth
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farvacola
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Plansix
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And by your very same argument, the people who think the old people are ruining the country love their country. They believe the Leavers are destroying the fabric of the nation they love. That is the things about principals. They are subjective. Both sides can claim to have superior principles and morals. Both sides can claim to love their country more. On August 02 2017 02:45 farvacola wrote: What he meant to say is that "[t]here are things in life worth making other people sacrifice for." They wouldn’t mind giving up things if they loved their country enough. | ||
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bardtown
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Plansix
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My brother voted in a manner that he thought was best for his country. He still apologized when he found out that his vote fucked over his sister in law and niece and nephew. These people should be more like my brother. | ||
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bardtown
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Jockmcplop
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If that's the answer the elderly give, that they would rather their family are jobless (which under this government means homeless) than stomach staying in the EU, then that says nothing about me and everything about them on this question. EDIT: On the matter of respect, being alive for long enough to hate everything doesn't qualify you for respect in my book. The older generation have consistently voted against their own children's interests for years now, and to imagine its for some greater wisdom instead of pure selfish belligerence is to give them too much credit I'm afraid. | ||
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Gorsameth
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On August 02 2017 03:05 bardtown wrote: Stop being silly, please. You don't know anything about 'these people'. They might be from Leave voting families where all agree that it's worth the cost. They might be willing to financially support family members if they do lose work. They might be willing to employ them. They most likely believe that even if someone does lose their job they will get greater rewards for the decision to leave further down the line. Sure, you can make shit up to justify anything. Doesn't change the fact that a bunch of retired people have decided that other people should risk losing their job | ||
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bardtown
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Jockmcplop
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Do you really believe that any adult who reaches 60 is worthy of unconditional respect? At what point do your actions become irrelevant, 47? 59? 67? Is there a definite age where idiocy and selfishness is ignored? Should we adapt the law to this and make it impossible to prosecute the elderly? They gave us everything after all. You wouldn't want some 59 year old judge putting away 70 year old,would you? | ||
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Plansix
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Edit: bardtown - are you pushing 60 and didn't tell anyone? | ||
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bardtown
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Yes that makes sense. The old people didn't give you enough free tax money so you're upset. | ||
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Jockmcplop
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On August 02 2017 03:28 bardtown wrote: I think you should start from a position of respect and engage with them. Ask them if they think Brexit will be good for their grandchildren. Do you really think they're going to say no? I doubt you do, so you know that you're being disingenuous by calling them selfish. Yes that makes sense. The old people didn't give you enough free tax money so you're upset. I start from a position of respect. Its hard to talk about a demographic group without having to make some generalizations that hurt the wrong people. However, I believe that actions are how respect is determined. If the elderly honestly think its worth their kids being jobless, homeless and hopeless just so we can leave the EU then they are too evil for respect or too fucking stupid for it. Simple. And yeah, you can talk about free tax money. This particular generation of oldies is a good point of discussion. Free higher education for them, but when their kids want it they call them selfish and stupid, because how does free higher education benefit people who'll be dead when the benefits are reaped by the living, right?. Everything they grew up with they deny their children, and then you go on about 'free tax money'. | ||
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Plansix
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bardtown
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Pretty much the only area where we have it worse than our grandparents is housing. And that's because we build 300,000 homes a year... and import 300,000 immigrants a year. | ||
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