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Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9768 Posts
May 06 2017 01:38 GMT
#6621
For the things I'm interested in personally and the things I value another 8-10 years of tory rule will be a disaster. I'm very upset that this is what we're going to get. I might even leave the country if things continue to decline at the current rate. Luckily I have skills that would do me well in Europe.
RIP Meatloaf <3
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
May 06 2017 01:59 GMT
#6622


This Juncker is a real piece of work.
(Reuters) - European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker took a swipe at Britain on Friday, saying he would not give a speech in English because the language was becoming less significant following Brexit.

"Slowly but surely English is losing importance in Europe," Juncker told a conference in Florence before switching into French and drawing applause from his audience of EU officials, local leaders and Italian students.
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bardtown
Profile Joined June 2011
England2313 Posts
May 06 2017 11:08 GMT
#6623
On May 06 2017 07:25 RvB wrote:
What's Plaid Cymru? A welsh nationalist party I assume. What do they stand for?

Welsh SNP, basically. They're left wing but their primary concern is insulting the mainstream parties.

I thought Juncker's comments were funny. "I'm going to speak in French because English is losing relevance". The crowd dutifully giggles and then proceeds to put on their headphones to hear the translation.
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6262 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-06 11:10:17
May 06 2017 11:09 GMT
#6624
It was a joke iirc. He also called Brexit a tragedy and calls the British friends. It's just the media blowing things way out of proportion. Just like the earlier spat between Juncker and May.

edit: thanks for the explanation.
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10842 Posts
May 06 2017 11:37 GMT
#6625
On May 06 2017 10:59 Danglars wrote:
https://twitter.com/thomashcrown/status/860592474091376643

This Juncker is a real piece of work.
Show nested quote +
(Reuters) - European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker took a swipe at Britain on Friday, saying he would not give a speech in English because the language was becoming less significant following Brexit.

"Slowly but surely English is losing importance in Europe," Juncker told a conference in Florence before switching into French and drawing applause from his audience of EU officials, local leaders and Italian students.



Did he drop the mike after that :D


I hope it was a joke
bardtown
Profile Joined June 2011
England2313 Posts
May 06 2017 11:48 GMT
#6626
I mean clearly he's poking fun but I don't know if you can call it a joke when he actually switched his speech to French with an audience that was very likely more comfortable with English. Also, it's in the context of him leaking details about his meeting with May and calling her deluded, etc. I think we should take ourselves a bit less seriously, though.

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Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
May 06 2017 16:30 GMT
#6627
Could Brexit supporters answer one simple question? How will people with less than average salary do if the UK government decides to go for hard Brexit? In the next 5 years at least.
bardtown
Profile Joined June 2011
England2313 Posts
May 06 2017 17:58 GMT
#6628
Nobody really knows what's going to happen in the next 5 years but it's the lowest paid workers who will benefit from restricting immigration. Employers will have to improve their standards and pay rather than just picking up European workers when British people don't want to work for them any more.
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9768 Posts
May 06 2017 18:05 GMT
#6629
I heard that when we leave the EU every low paid worker will get a free unicorn in their house made of rainbows too.
RIP Meatloaf <3
CuddlyCuteKitten
Profile Joined January 2004
Sweden2709 Posts
May 06 2017 19:46 GMT
#6630
On May 07 2017 02:58 bardtown wrote:
Nobody really knows what's going to happen in the next 5 years but it's the lowest paid workers who will benefit from restricting immigration. Employers will have to improve their standards and pay rather than just picking up European workers when British people don't want to work for them any more.


Or the goverment will restrict wellfare so that they have to accept wages at the same levels as polish workers previously did. There are discussions about this in Sweden with our socialist traditions and historically strong unions but as an outsider I assume this its surely not something a Tory goverment would consider.
waaaaaaaaaaaooooow - Felicia, SPF2:T
Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
May 06 2017 21:45 GMT
#6631
Labour promise there will be no tax rise for 95% earners.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39829723

I think if I had the right to vote, given this promise and if they promise soft Brexit, I'd vote for them even though I support right-wing economy.
bardtown
Profile Joined June 2011
England2313 Posts
May 07 2017 00:12 GMT
#6632
The problem is that their cabinet is incompetent beyond belief so even people who support their policies are leaving them because they don't believe they have the ability to implement them.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
May 07 2017 02:38 GMT
#6633
Now taking bets on next blockbuster Labour pledge to try and take the heat off how bad Corbyn and his deputies are.

For now, all I can see really voting for him are the kinds of people that attend his rallies:
“If Trump can get in, if Brexit can happen, then why can’t Corbyn get in? Why can’t it be a landslide?” said Saran Cadwaladr, 34, a secondary school English teacher.

Jonny Dawson, 26, also an English teacher, added: “I believe Corbyn can win, totally. There is absolutely no reason why he can’t. If people recognise that he is, in fact, for the many, then there is no reason why it can’t happen.”

Juliet Monk-Steel, 37, a local nurse, said Corbyn’s policies on the NHS had brought her to Leicester Tigers’ Welford Road stadium. “Yes he can win the election. Why not? On Brexit, he’s been a safe pair of hands so far,” she said.

The Guardian
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Madkipz
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Norway1643 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-07 14:19:12
May 07 2017 13:54 GMT
#6634
On May 07 2017 01:30 Shield wrote:
Could Brexit supporters answer one simple question? How will people with less than average salary do if the UK government decides to go for hard Brexit? In the next 5 years at least.


Hard Brexit will mean UK trade with EU will fall under WTO regulations which will make things crossing between the EU and Britain more expensive.

Britain will have to start the process of becoming more self-sufficient, so jobs in food processing, construction, manufacturing and such will feel the Brexit as a rise in about 2-4% cost increase from obtaining raw materials from EU countries. This makes finding locally produced alternatives a more attractive option.

Migrant workers will migrate to suit the new environment giving power to the local workforce which will overall reduce unemployment as the labor pool shrinks.

Britain will have control over their waters once more, so locals fishing will see an increase in both pay and viability as a profession.

They will have to increase the number of civil servants working in public sector with about 5-10% if not more leading to a lot of more well-paid government jobs that were previously outsourced.

The banking sector and other jobs that basically sat in London hiking up the pound will stabilize on a lower point as they move workers around and change their priorities.

Tourism will increase as the pound drops in value.

British science, schooling, and health will see a hit as funding is scaled back.

Being poor was always a struggle regardless. Brexit happening does not change that, but it gives them new avenues to explore as migrant labor vanishes, fishing becomes more attractive, and overall it's a net positive for low-income British sector by shrinking the labor pool.

What it isn't is a net positive for is the London economy, and high paying jobs like you'd find in the English finance sector, car manufacturing and big business which is why the people who voted to stay were solidly city based and very London-centric.


"Mudkip"
kollin
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom8380 Posts
May 07 2017 14:59 GMT
#6635
On May 07 2017 11:38 Danglars wrote:
Now taking bets on next blockbuster Labour pledge to try and take the heat off how bad Corbyn and his deputies are.

For now, all I can see really voting for him are the kinds of people that attend his rallies:
Show nested quote +
“If Trump can get in, if Brexit can happen, then why can’t Corbyn get in? Why can’t it be a landslide?” said Saran Cadwaladr, 34, a secondary school English teacher.

Jonny Dawson, 26, also an English teacher, added: “I believe Corbyn can win, totally. There is absolutely no reason why he can’t. If people recognise that he is, in fact, for the many, then there is no reason why it can’t happen.”

Juliet Monk-Steel, 37, a local nurse, said Corbyn’s policies on the NHS had brought her to Leicester Tigers’ Welford Road stadium. “Yes he can win the election. Why not? On Brexit, he’s been a safe pair of hands so far,” she said.

The Guardian

Bloody deluded educators and healthcare workers, the type of people that should be sectioned
Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
May 07 2017 18:56 GMT
#6636
The great British Brexit robbery: how our democracy was hijacked
A shadowy global operation involving big data, billionaire friends of Trump and the disparate forces of the Leave campaign influenced the result of the EU referendum. As Britain heads to the polls again, is our electoral process still fit for purpose?

by Carole Cadwalladr

Source

Has this already been discussed? It is relevant with regards to the article Danglars mentioned and made for a confusing read.
passive quaranstream fan
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
May 07 2017 19:10 GMT
#6637
Is that a news article or a conspiracy theory that just happens to be propagated by a mainstream media source?
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Reaps
Profile Joined June 2012
United Kingdom1280 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-07 19:23:42
May 07 2017 19:22 GMT
#6638
Just Guardian things i guess
Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-07 19:31:49
May 07 2017 19:30 GMT
#6639
Le Pen lost. Not everyone hates the EU that much. Sorry guys, it's only you
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
May 07 2017 19:39 GMT
#6640
On May 08 2017 03:56 Artisreal wrote:
Show nested quote +
The great British Brexit robbery: how our democracy was hijacked
A shadowy global operation involving big data, billionaire friends of Trump and the disparate forces of the Leave campaign influenced the result of the EU referendum. As Britain heads to the polls again, is our electoral process still fit for purpose?

by Carole Cadwalladr

Source

Has this already been discussed? It is relevant with regards to the article Danglars mentioned and made for a confusing read.

How is it relevant to the plight of Labour? You can't seriously believe Corbyn's in trouble because of shadowy hedge fund managers and psy-ops?
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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