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Reaps
United Kingdom1280 Posts
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-33580567 Above source is from few years ago and then he was asked again more recently on Channel 4 news around 1-2 weeks ago and he still refused to give a straight answer, so maybe that has something to do with the loss of seats? I don't know but the last thing we need is someone like Mike Pence or other republicans in British politics. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On May 05 2017 22:57 Reaps wrote: There was some controversy around the Lib Dem leader Tim Farron and his religious convictions, he was asked on multiple occasions if he believes homosexuality is a sin and every time he refused to answer. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-33580567 Above source is from few years ago and then he was asked again more recently on Channel 4 news around 1-2 weeks ago and he still refused to give a straight answer, so maybe that has something to do with the loss of seats? I don't know but the last thing we need is someone like Mike Pence or other republicans in British politics. Isn't this old news? He answered last time in the negative. It's posted on libdems own website. | ||
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Reaps
United Kingdom1280 Posts
On May 05 2017 23:13 Danglars wrote: Isn't this old news? He answered last time in the negative. It's posted on libdems own website. As i said he was asked again just 1-2 weeks ago and he still refused to answer so the controversy resurfaced. | ||
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bardtown
England2313 Posts
On Brexit, he claims to want a 'soft' Brexit (which would mean the UK being in the same situation as before but with no voice), but what he really wants is to block the whole process. His policy is to have a second referendum on the deal once it has been negotiated. That would mean the EU would know that if they offered the worst possible terms then the public would have no choice but to vote against them and remain in the EU. Nobody would vote in favour of a 100 billion euro settlement. It's weird because I would consider myself a liberal democrat but they are the last party I would vote for. Some of their speeches in the lords were incredibly anti democracy. | ||
KwarK
United States43520 Posts
On May 05 2017 23:19 bardtown wrote: He's right not to answer that question. Can you imagine them asking that to Sadiq Khan? On Brexit, he claims to want a 'soft' Brexit (which would mean the UK being in the same situation as before but with no voice), but what he really wants is to block the whole process. His policy is to have a second referendum on the deal once it has been negotiated. That would mean the EU would know that if they offered the worst possible terms then the public would have no choice but to vote against them and remain in the EU. Nobody would vote in favour of a 100 billion euro settlement. It's weird because I would consider myself a liberal democrat but they are the last party I would vote for. Some of their speeches in the lords were incredibly anti democracy. It's a legitimate question. If Sadiq Khan answered anything other than along the lines that he doesn't believe it's his place to ascribe moral values to the sexual preferences of others I'd wonder how the hell he thought himself capable of governing a place like London. British first, Muslim second, and in Britain we're tolerant of homosexuality. | ||
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bardtown
England2313 Posts
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KwarK
United States43520 Posts
On May 05 2017 23:38 bardtown wrote: He voted in favour of same sex marriage and a range of related policies, but is guilty of a thought crime. I would say that it is also a traditional British behaviour not to pry into people's personal beliefs insofar as they have no impact on their actions. I did not say it was illegal to hold homophobic beliefs. No idea how you're getting from that to thought crimes. What I said, and what I believe, is that if you intend to serve in public office then you should not hold discriminatory beliefs towards any of your constituents. It's not unreasonable to ask a man standing for the job of governing you if he's prejudiced against you, nor to hold any answer other than "no" as a good reason not to vote for him. | ||
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bardtown
England2313 Posts
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On May 05 2017 23:15 Reaps wrote: As i said he was asked again just 1-2 weeks ago and he still refused to answer so the controversy resurfaced. I'm saying he gave an unequivocal no 1-2 weeks ago. As in, based on past attempts to dodge the question (and a 'gotcha' question at that) he answered it fully. As in, every time he has not refused to answer. April 25th BBC LibDem website. So like, old news by 10 days? | ||
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bardtown
England2313 Posts
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-39795422 Local election results mapped. Tories lose seats in one area, keep the same number in one area, and gain absolutely everywhere else. Bear in mind that local elections tend to be used to punish the current government by voters, although that effect is probably much less pronounced because we're already in a general election campaign. | ||
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MoonfireSpam
United Kingdom1153 Posts
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Reaps
United Kingdom1280 Posts
On May 06 2017 01:08 Danglars wrote: I'm saying he gave an unequivocal no 1-2 weeks ago. As in, based on past attempts to dodge the question (and a 'gotcha' question at that) he answered it fully. As in, every time he has not refused to answer. April 25th BBC LibDem website. So like, old news by 10 days? Ah i see, well its good to see he finally gave a straight answer, this must have been after with the recent interview on channel 4 news, i still think it was an important question to ask though considering the circumstances. I wonder if it had any impact on the seats lost though. | ||
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RvB
Netherlands6261 Posts
On May 05 2017 06:37 bardtown wrote: On your first point: I can think of somewhere with closer links to China. It's called China :D. I don't think there is any coincidence in the top four financial centres all being influenced by British culture. As for the second, fair enough, but I can't see that happening. You seem to genuinely believe that the EU is acting in good faith at the moment and not just trying to get whatever money they can, which is what I see. That is to be expected in fairness, but couching their 'demands' in threat is just silly. China's financial system is closed to the outside world. They use HK as an intermediary between the Chinese financial sector and the outside world. I'm not that knowledgeable about Singapore and HK so I don't know if British culture is very relevant but what I think most financial centres share is either being connected to a huge market or having a light regulatory environment. I don't think the EU is is particularly fair. They use their bargaining positions to its fullest extent whether this is against the UK or smaller countries like Greece, Swiss and Norway. The way the Eurozone treated Greece in the debt crisis shows that they're tough against anyone. | ||
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
On May 06 2017 01:53 RvB wrote: China's financial system is closed to the outside world. They use HK as an intermediary between the Chinese financial sector and the outside world. I'm not that knowledgeable about Singapore and HK so I don't know if British culture is very relevant but what I think most financial centres share is either being connected to a huge market or having a light regulatory environment. I don't think the EU is is particularly fair. They use their bargaining positions to its fullest extent whether this is against the UK or smaller countries like Greece, Swiss and Norway. The way the Eurozone treated Greece in the debt crisis shows that they're tough against anyone. Well, if you represent 500 million people, you have a big market share so you can do a lot more than UK's 50-60 million. Edit: What's up with partisan electorate in the UK? The last few elections I've checked in my area are all won by Labour no matter what candidate they have... | ||
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Razyda
896 Posts
On May 05 2017 23:19 bardtown wrote: He's right not to answer that question. Can you imagine them asking that to Sadiq Khan? On Brexit, he claims to want a 'soft' Brexit (which would mean the UK being in the same situation as before but with no voice), but what he really wants is to block the whole process. His policy is to have a second referendum on the deal once it has been negotiated. That would mean the EU would know that if they offered the worst possible terms then the public would have no choice but to vote against them and remain in the EU. Nobody would vote in favour of a 100 billion euro settlement. It's weird because I would consider myself a liberal democrat but they are the last party I would vote for. Some of their speeches in the lords were incredibly anti democracy. That is not the case. If public would have vote against the deal there would be no deal, but Brexit would proceed, as article 50 is already invoked. Withdrawal of article 50 would have to be accepted by all 27 EU members | ||
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bardtown
England2313 Posts
On May 06 2017 05:36 Razyda wrote: That is not the case. If public would have vote against the deal there would be no deal, but Brexit would proceed, as article 50 is already invoked. Withdrawal of article 50 would have to be accepted by all 27 EU members No it wouldn't. There is nothing written about reversing a decision to leave, but the EU have already stated it would be no problem in order to encourage Remain to continue trying. You're just plain wrong. A vote between the deal negotiated and no deal is already on the cards for parliament. What they want is vote between the deal negotiated and remaining in the EU. UKIP: 1. Haha, ouch. | ||
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mahrgell
Germany3943 Posts
On May 06 2017 05:50 bardtown wrote: No it wouldn't. There is nothing written about reversing a decision to leave, but the EU have already stated it would be no problem in order to encourage Remain to continue trying. You're just plain wrong. A vote between the deal negotiated and no deal is already on the cards for parliament. What they want is vote between the deal negotiated and remaining in the EU. . Nope. The EU stated multiple times that it would not allow a flipflop between "let's leave" and "uh, no, that deal is not what we wanted" and "let's leave again, maybe we get a better deal this time". So unless there is a very clear 180 in British public opinion and political leadership, and this is looking ultra unlikely, Brexit would simply proceed without deal. | ||
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
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RvB
Netherlands6261 Posts
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
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