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On November 03 2016 08:16 RoomOfMush wrote:
How good of a source on UK news is The Independent?
I have been reading it a lot lately and I found that it is incredibly critical of Brexit with a vast majority of its Brexit coverage being negative. I wonder how well that reflects the actual public opinion within britain.
It is supposed to be independent (obviously). It is by far one of the better news sources in the UK; I'm sure someone will disagree with that.
Typically only the Times, Guardian and Independent are worth anything. All need to be read with a grain of salt.
It's not a tabloid if that's what the question is.
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On November 03 2016 10:15 MyTHicaL wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 08:16 RoomOfMush wrote:
How good of a source on UK news is The Independent?
I have been reading it a lot lately and I found that it is incredibly critical of Brexit with a vast majority of its Brexit coverage being negative. I wonder how well that reflects the actual public opinion within britain. It is supposed to be independent (obviously). It is by far one of the better news sources in the UK; I'm sure someone will disagree with that. Typically only the Times, Guardian and Independent are worth anything. All need to be read with a grain of salt. It's not a tabloid if that's what the question is.
I think the Indie is increasingly more like a lefty tabloid. Similar in tone but not perspective/content.
In the story posted there's little room for political bias other than reporting vs not reporting.
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On November 03 2016 10:15 MyTHicaL wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 08:16 RoomOfMush wrote:
How good of a source on UK news is The Independent?
I have been reading it a lot lately and I found that it is incredibly critical of Brexit with a vast majority of its Brexit coverage being negative. I wonder how well that reflects the actual public opinion within britain. It is supposed to be independent (obviously). It is by far one of the better news sources in the UK; I'm sure someone will disagree with that. Typically only the Times, Guardian and Independent are worth anything. All need to be read with a grain of salt. It's not a tabloid if that's what the question is.
When you get your news from the internet it is too easy to get to a site like Breitbart without knowing it. Its easy to spin stories and misrepresent facts if your readers dont know it any better. I am always skeptic towards news sources until I hear from the locals whether its factually accurate and respectable or not.
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On November 03 2016 10:15 MyTHicaL wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 08:16 RoomOfMush wrote:
How good of a source on UK news is The Independent?
I have been reading it a lot lately and I found that it is incredibly critical of Brexit with a vast majority of its Brexit coverage being negative. I wonder how well that reflects the actual public opinion within britain. It is supposed to be independent (obviously). It is by far one of the better news sources in the UK; I'm sure someone will disagree with that. Typically only the Times, Guardian and Independent are worth anything. All need to be read with a grain of salt. It's not a tabloid if that's what the question is.
Realistically even for domestic policy matters you want to read the Financial Times and the Economist, these are widely considered as top publications worldwide.
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On November 03 2016 19:27 Laurens wrote:www.bbc.comTo parliament we go. RIP Brexit?
Government will appeal decision in December though. Sterling/dollar up 'only' 1.1% on the news.
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Voted to stay in EU, yet this decision is actually the worst that could happen. We had in places arrangements and working on trade agreements to try outside of EU. Now a stupid court tells us, oh wait you need to put it to a parliamentary vote. Even though 12 months ago said Parliament agreed that Referendum vote.
Now we are gonna be sat in limbo for years, MPs "debating" the issue to death, nothing happens we dont truly stay in EU and we don't come out, this is absolutely terrible news. Also just further divides the country into In and Out people/places and causes more rifts. Instead people were coming to realize about leaving the EU, people were starting to make arrangements, now it all could change again, it is so silly.
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In a 'you can't make this up' fashion : the lead barrister for remain campaigners is named Lord Pannick.
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On November 03 2016 19:51 Pandemona wrote:
Voted to stay in EU, yet this decision is actually the worst that could happen. We had in places arrangements and working on trade agreements to try outside of EU. Now a stupid court tells us, oh wait you need to put it to a parliamentary vote. Even though 12 months ago said Parliament agreed that Referendum vote.
Now we are gonna be sat in limbo for years, MPs "debating" the issue to death, nothing happens we dont truly stay in EU and we don't come out, this is absolutely terrible news. Also just further divides the country into In and Out people/places and causes more rifts. Instead people were coming to realize about leaving the EU, people were starting to make arrangements, now it all could change again, it is so silly.
I'm with you on this, as someone who is planning to move to Germany in the near future Brexit really put a spanner in the works, part of me still wishes we won't go through with it... but then i am also a big believer in democracy and if Brexit does somehow get overturned then that would certainly be a loss for democracy, i am in 2 minds about it.
As you mentioned the longer it takes the worse it'll probably be for everyone, i think most people just want to try and move on and deal with the consequences as they come.
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On November 03 2016 20:15 Pandemona wrote:Exactly, we were all pretty much going along with what was coming and now this huge spanner in the works just puts us 6 months further back. Which in theory could put us in a really bad situation now. If you are an investor or a country wanting to set up a trade agreement, would you be doing so now or waiting until you knew whether this country was IN or OUT of Europe. Im pretty sure the smart answer is you wait, thus we are now at the ruling of our government and when they finish debating 
Actually as an investor/owner of a business here, I can tell you you don't just wait ; you need to hedge for the case 'your revenue decreases several folds on loss of EU export rights / prohibitive tariffs'. You can't stay put in a situation where there is no short-term upside. All scenarios point down, so you at best freeze hiring and at worst start cost-cutting with an axe.
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Misinterpreted. If you are thinking i meant not if you already are. If you are thinking of setting up a trade agreement with the UK to branch out, or if you were thinking im gonna go invest some money in a UK business/whatever. You are gonna straight up wait right until you know whether the country is gonna be IN or OUT of EU?
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On November 03 2016 19:51 Pandemona wrote:
Voted to stay in EU, yet this decision is actually the worst that could happen. We had in places arrangements and working on trade agreements to try outside of EU. Now a stupid court tells us, oh wait you need to put it to a parliamentary vote. Even though 12 months ago said Parliament agreed that Referendum vote.
Now we are gonna be sat in limbo for years, MPs "debating" the issue to death, nothing happens we dont truly stay in EU and we don't come out, this is absolutely terrible news. Also just further divides the country into In and Out people/places and causes more rifts. Instead people were coming to realize about leaving the EU, people were starting to make arrangements, now it all could change again, it is so silly.
Looks like in every major player economy in the west (namely US, GB and Germany) politicians are really eager to create said rifts in society, whether it be Clinton vs. Trump, Brexit vs. Remain or the absolutely ludicrous refugee "crisis". One would assume a politicians job would actually be the exact opposite, make compromises and ease tensions in society.
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On November 03 2016 20:41 [DUF]MethodMan wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 19:51 Pandemona wrote:
Voted to stay in EU, yet this decision is actually the worst that could happen. We had in places arrangements and working on trade agreements to try outside of EU. Now a stupid court tells us, oh wait you need to put it to a parliamentary vote. Even though 12 months ago said Parliament agreed that Referendum vote.
Now we are gonna be sat in limbo for years, MPs "debating" the issue to death, nothing happens we dont truly stay in EU and we don't come out, this is absolutely terrible news. Also just further divides the country into In and Out people/places and causes more rifts. Instead people were coming to realize about leaving the EU, people were starting to make arrangements, now it all could change again, it is so silly. Looks like in every major player economy in the west (namely US, GB and Germany) politicians are really eager to create said rifts in society, whether it be Clinton vs. Trump, Brexit vs. Remain or the absolutely ludicrous refugee "crisis". One would assume a politicians job would actually be the exact opposite, make compromises and ease tensions in society.
Compromise doesn't get votes the same way opposition does, at least not nowadays.
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On November 03 2016 20:43 Pandemona wrote:Yeah like i said to someone else on the discussion, no matter if a country is thriving or dying an MP still gonna be earning its £50,000 a year and living a lifestyle only a regular person would dream of. Doing anything you can to secure a precious vote but all it does is divide country down the middle and causes huge tension. https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/794124251259432960Now Farage is a very silly sausage, but you have to agree with what he says here
They keep going on and on about the "majority" vote.. it was a 52% majority, a lot people now wish they hadn't voted that way. He seems to be pulling a page out of Trump's book- if we don't get what we want let's get angry!
I wonder if the vote was won either way by 1 vote would that have stood as a majority? Completely ignorant Cameron setting no guidelines.
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They keep going on and on about the "majority" vote.. it was a 52% majority, a lot people now wish they hadn't voted that way. He seems to be pulling a page out of Trump's book- if we don't get what we want let's get angry!
I wonder if the vote was won either way by 1 vote would that have stood as a majority? Completely ignorant Cameron setting no guidelines
The other option is to avoid the risk altogether just like that Swedish bank did and withdraw everything. It would depend what type of risk you wish to suffer.
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I've not seen r/ukpolitics this active in a while.
Such a divided country, what a mess.
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On November 03 2016 20:51 MyTHicaL wrote:
They keep going on and on about the "majority" vote.. it was a 52% majority, a lot people now wish they hadn't voted that way. He seems to be pulling a page out of Trump's book- if we don't get what we want let's get angry!
I wonder if the vote was won either way by 1 vote would that have stood as a majority? Completely ignorant Cameron setting no guidelines
The other option is to avoid the risk altogether just like that Swedish bank did and withdraw everything. It would depend what type of risk you wish to suffer.
Wtf of course you stood by the majority that is the principle of democraty. There is no need to put guidelines. They tried to do it in Canada and it was the stupidest thing in the world. You don't change the issue of the vote because you don't agree with it, or you belive it should have gone the other way. I mean if a majority of the vote is not enough to win you better just drop the whole concept of democraty as we have done it.
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