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On October 30 2016 01:59 bardtown wrote:
This is a kid who comes here on a regular basis to insult a country the citizens of which he now admits he has leeched £45,000 from with no intention of paying it back. Any ridicule he receives is well earned. I agree that it is disgusting to not pay off your debts, but on the other hand, you went full American and started to call people you disagree with "kid".
I'll also like to add that I have never seen him come here on a regular basis to insult the UK. Disagreeing with you, or the current government, is not the same thing as insulting a country.
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I don't really understand why all are employing the term disgusting. I don't find it applicable in this situation. The lies and manipulation of Brexit were disgusting a single individual possibly, temporarilly, refusing to pay back one's inflated student loan that procurred from a system of profit and not education is possibly morally in a gray area but whatever.
Bardtown just seems to be someone who either had his student debt paid or never made it to uni, either one of those possibilities would explain his high horse complex; however I'd bank on the latter.
For the record the best thing about the country is most probably the people, not the government, definately not the food, not the policies and not this most frustratingly hostile and delerious environment the place has entered into.
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On November 01 2016 19:09 MyTHicaL wrote:
I don't really understand why all are employing the term disgusting. I don't find it applicable in this situation. The lies and manipulation of Brexit were disgusting a single individual possibly, temporarilly, refusing to pay back one's inflated student loan that procurred from a system of profit and not education is possibly morally in a gray area but whatever.
Bardtown just seems to be someone who either had his student debt paid or never made it to uni, either one of those possibilities would explain his high horse complex; however I'd bank on the latter.
For the record the best thing about the country is most probably the people, not the government, definately not the food, not the policies and not this most frustratingly hostile and delerious environment the place has entered into.
You need to have some Northern Fish and Chips. Changed my life.
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On November 01 2016 19:09 MyTHicaL wrote:
I don't really understand why all are employing the term disgusting. I don't find it applicable in this situation. The lies and manipulation of Brexit were disgusting a single individual possibly, temporarilly, refusing to pay back one's inflated student loan that procurred from a system of profit and not education is possibly morally in a gray area but whatever.
Bardtown just seems to be someone who either had his student debt paid or never made it to uni, either one of those possibilities would explain his high horse complex; however I'd bank on the latter.
For the record the best thing about the country is most probably the people, not the government, definately not the food, not the policies and not this most frustratingly hostile and delerious environment the place has entered into.
Here's another study for you, as you didn't like the last one:
• Anglo and Latin countries most tolerant. People in the survey were most likely to embrace a racially diverse neighbor in the United Kingdom and its Anglo former colonies (the United States, Canada, Australia and New Zealand) and in Latin America. The only real exceptions were oil-rich Venezuela, where income inequality sometimes breaks along racial lines, and the Dominican Republic, perhaps because of its adjacency to troubled Haiti. Scandinavian countries also scored high.
• Wide, interesting variation across Europe. Immigration and national identity are big, touchy issues in much of Europe, where racial make-ups are changing. Though you might expect the richer, better-educated Western European nations to be more tolerant than those in Eastern Europe, that's not exactly the case. France appeared to be one of the least racially tolerant countries on the continent, with 22.7 percent saying they didn't want a neighbor of another race.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2013/05/15/a-fascinating-map-of-the-worlds-most-and-least-racially-tolerant-countries/
And you really are a disingenuous piece of work, aren't you? If the system is for profit and not education, why did you come here? Why did you partake in that system? Probably because it's a better system than the ones you advocate for, with better educational outcomes.
You're exactly the kind of person that people are upset about. Taking out from the system, putting nothing back in and then having the nerve to criticise it as though it owes you something. No wonder you're upset about Brexit.
Also, wrong on both counts about me. I have debts and degrees.
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Well if you started studying in 2012 and you saw the fees rise from 3k/year to 9k/year just like that, you have good reason to be pissed off imo.
Unless you want to argue that the quality of education also tripled in that year.
Time for another Bardtown assumption: you started your studies before 2012? 
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On November 02 2016 01:06 bardtown wrote:
Also, wrong on both counts about me. I have debts and degrees.
Then you should know your multiple ad hominems do nothing to honour them, nor the British debating tradition.
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On November 02 2016 02:04 Laurens wrote:Well if you started studying in 2012 and you saw the fees rise from 3k/year to 9k/year just like that, you have good reason to be pissed off imo. Unless you want to argue that the quality of education also tripled in that year. Time for another Bardtown assumption: you started your studies before 2012?
I started my bachelors in 2012 .
On November 02 2016 02:06 MyLovelyLurker wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2016 01:06 bardtown wrote:
Also, wrong on both counts about me. I have debts and degrees. Then you should know your multiple ad hominems do nothing to honour them, nor the British debating tradition.
Not a patient person.
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It honours the House of Commons debating style. Unfortunately.
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I would take that as a compliment, but unfortunately you're quite wrong. I'd have been thrown out for unparliamentary language a thousand times over. And I have to assume you've only ever watched PMQs, which is not representative of debate in the commons.
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You've made me laugh again. I partook in the system, simply because I could. The country runs on debt, turn on daytime TV to be plagued by Wonga and Sunny ads (which should be illegal). Nevermind higher education. Which by the way; was in no way a topic during this vote. My university actually brags about its' turnover as it is trying to buy up half of each city it has a campus on. Constantly reinvesting in pointless refurbishments just to make use of the ridiculous sums of money they steal from their students; and this is only focusing on EU students (goddamn the poorer international ones x_x).
And since you've become so personal, yet again- I'm happy that you got whichever BA you no doubtedly received for 1/3 of the cost. The vote changes nothing for me, I have 3 passports and would be able to go back and do another Bachelors if I wanted to, or go to Scotland for free, but maybe I just wanted to profit from England for a bit. I'm not doing a Masters there anyways. What a naive roast beef you are.
I think you need to understand how a poll is formed, also the need to understand what the source implies. America has clearly proven how tolerant it is of other cultures in past recent months (wrong thread for this, but since it was one of your "most tolerant countries + source", seems like the easiest to throw your data out the window- Australia has a notoriously harsh immigration system as well).
I don't think you've understood what ad hominem is either.. Really has nothing to do with patience. And have faith I'm sure you can throw some "to my right honourable colleague"s around and you'd fit right in. You have the delusion down to a tee, along with distracting irrelivant arguments and biased statistics.
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Yep, all the polls are wrong and you're right .
Australia's immigration system is not harsh, it is sensible. They are doing exactly what they need to do to prevent an EU-style crisis of their own. As I've explained multiple times, rewarding people who break the law to come to your country is equivalent to punishing those who attempt to come by legal means, as well as punishing locals by straining government spending. It also encourages others to do the same and results in value clashes which immigration tests are designed to avoid. Same applies in the US. If moderates acknowledged this blatantly obvious reality then people might feel less inclined to turn to someone like Trump (but no, they just desperately label everyone as racist bigots).
Now go and look at the peoples that make the biggest financial contributions to international aid. Once again, the UK and Scandinavians punch well above their weight. The UK spends more than twice as much as France.
Despite all the bristling virtue signalling, a sensible immigration system is both the rational and the moral choice.
There's a reason all the migrants who make it to France want to leave for the UK.
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Yeah, ALL of them... ...
Sad thing is, you actually believe that.
On November 02 2016 20:03 bardtown wrote:Yep, all the polls are wrong and you're right . Australia's immigration system is not harsh, it is sensible. They are doing exactly what they need to do to prevent an EU-style crisis of their own
I agree, Europe should also surround its landmass with a big ass Ocean...
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"Here we go again"
I didn't say that all polls are wrong, but one poll is hardly a decent representation of an entire populace. I also do not understand how that questionnaire was even circulated in France. Australia is not comparable to the EU- sorry guy.
Now you are addressing another topic of illegal immigration which was never put into light in this thread. EU migrants are not illegal immigrants, neither are refugees.
The vast majority of Trump supporters are at least voting out of emotion and not logic, although I don't particularilly love the other choice(s). There have even been documentaries of people following them around at rallies; there is a majority who are bigotted in someway or form.
Now let's address financial international aid- as the 2nd biggest arms dealer in the world it would make sense for the UK to donate at least some of that back into the places it is actively destroying. I always hoped during the numerous televised mass charity schemes that the UK would actually donate to its' own poor but that probably doesn't look as good.
And finally, again; migrants are not refugees buddy- there is a very obvious difference between the two. As for why all the refugees have this odd idea about Britain; I really can't answer that, I mean health care is better in France, basic education is classed higher, higher education is generally free, job seeker's is comparable and there exists a massive rent-aid scheme called the CAF which helps with basic living costs. Maybe they like Ale.
I would say that the EU migrants are influenced by the (past) strength of the pound, however the Poles pretty much run the hotel industry in Ireland so maybe that's not the case either. Where it rains a lot = lots of food? Or simply the want to live in an English speaking country? Who knows, anything is better than the jungles of Calais though.
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On November 02 2016 20:51 Velr wrote:Yeah, ALL of them... ... Sad thing is, you actually believe that. Show nested quote +On November 02 2016 20:03 bardtown wrote:Yep, all the polls are wrong and you're right . Australia's immigration system is not harsh, it is sensible. They are doing exactly what they need to do to prevent an EU-style crisis of their own I agree, Europe should also surround its landmass with a big ass Ocean...
Almost all of the migrants are coming via the Mediterranean, and the EU is actively collecting them and bringing them to Europe.
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That one sentence statement leaves way too much room for interpretation.
And you know it.
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Yeah, we collect them instead of letting them drown. How dare we.
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On November 02 2016 22:49 bardtown wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2016 20:51 Velr wrote:Yeah, ALL of them... ... Sad thing is, you actually believe that. On November 02 2016 20:03 bardtown wrote:Yep, all the polls are wrong and you're right . Australia's immigration system is not harsh, it is sensible. They are doing exactly what they need to do to prevent an EU-style crisis of their own I agree, Europe should also surround its landmass with a big ass Ocean... Almost all of the migrants are coming via the Mediterranean, and the EU is actively collecting them and bringing them to Europe.
You mean that the EU is rescuing them since they are extremely vulnerable and many would perish without this aid. So the solution is to build a naval wall? Or let them capisize at sea? Or refuse them asylum and ship them back to only start the process again? Oh and an Ocean is different from a sea.
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Case in point. You're so busy virtue signalling you haven't bothered to engage your brains. They are risking their lives en masse because the EU keeps collecting them. People smuggling to Europe was a much smaller outfit a few years ago, as it is in Australia now. If the EU had reacted as Australia has reacted - immediately taking all illegal migrants away from Europe - then we would never have arrived at this situation with thousands of people drowning.
Give yourselves a pat on the back.
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On November 02 2016 23:28 bardtown wrote:
Case in point. You're so busy virtue signalling you haven't bothered to engage your brains. They are risking their lives en masse because the EU keeps collecting them. People smuggling to Europe was a much smaller outfit a few years ago, as it is in Australia now. If the EU had reacted as Australia has reacted - immediately taking all illegal migrants away from Europe - then we would never have arrived at this situation with thousands of people drowning.
Give yourselves a pat on the back.
Yes it can't be because the problems in their home countries have become so dangerous that there is a huge spike in demand to illegally cross into the EU. It must be because the EU is opening their doors towards them. Have you ever even met an asylum seeker? Ignorance is bliss. Drive a knife into your back.
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On November 02 2016 23:28 bardtown wrote:
Case in point. You're so busy virtue signalling you haven't bothered to engage your brains. They are risking their lives en masse because the EU keeps collecting them. People smuggling to Europe was a much smaller outfit a few years ago, as it is in Australia now. If the EU had reacted as Australia has reacted - immediately taking all migrants away from Europe - then we would never have arrived at this situation with thousands of people drowning.
Give yourselves a pat on the back.
Arrivals via the Mediterranean this year have been 1/3 of last year. Thousands drowning happened in 2015 and 2014 as well. The reason it didn't happen in 2013 being evidently that it was over a year before the migrant crisis started. Blaming the rescuing operations for the drownings and suggesting that rescuing increased migration via the Mediterranean lacks the chronology to make sense
As a side note, since you have complained about receiving replies that are not charitable to your positions in the past dozen pages, not spamming buzzwords from alt-retard blogs such as 'virtue signalling' would definitely help with that.
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