EPTThe only option we have is to work together and try to make the best of the outcome. Stop blaming the other side, the stupidity in people really came out with this referendum.
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Reaps
United Kingdom1280 Posts
The only option we have is to work together and try to make the best of the outcome. Stop blaming the other side, the stupidity in people really came out with this referendum. | ||
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Deleuze
United Kingdom2102 Posts
On June 25 2016 21:16 Jockmcplop wrote: I really disagree with this. I'm remain, but what is it people want to do,completely scupper the democratic process because they are right and the majority are wrong? This is the problem with democracy in an age of morons, you have to live with their decisions because you can't always just put a smart guy in charge and hope for the best. I've lost faith in democracy. This whole debacle has transformed the way I see fellow Britons. Those fools in Port Talbot in Wales, they've lost my support. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/06/24/fresh-doubts-over-future-of-uk-steel-as-impact-of-brexit-vote-we/ | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On June 25 2016 21:16 Jockmcplop wrote: I really disagree with this. I'm remain, but what is it people want to do,completely scupper the democratic process because they are right and the majority are wrong? This is the problem with democracy in an age of morons, you have to live with their decisions because you can't always just put a smart guy in charge and hope for the best. Democracy is not about having the majority though, it's about compromise between disagreeing parties. But I guess that's hard to do compromise in an age of morons^^ | ||
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Makro
France16890 Posts
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On June 25 2016 21:23 showstealer1829 wrote: Like I've said Scotland can "Prepare" for another referendum all they want. It's up to Westminster to let them hold it Technically, why couldn't Scotland organize the referendum without Westminster's approval, with its own ressources? The only way Westminster could prevent it would be through violence, and surely that's not what the UK wants, right? | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom10001 Posts
On June 25 2016 21:30 OtherWorld wrote: Democracy is not about having the majority though, it's about compromise between disagreeing parties. But I guess that's hard to do compromise in an age of morons^^ This is even more indicative of our current political climate.Everything seems to be an all or nothing race to completely change the political landscape in favour of leftwing or rightwing politics. The politicians themselves have engineered this over time, creating the ability to make laws that are pretty much irreversible and doing so on a purely ideological basis (we've seen this over successive Labour and Tory governments). This makes compromise seem like an outdated concept. Why would the tories compromise with the left when they can just construct a legal framework to make the country more tory without having to compromise on anything(and vica versa)? This has filtered down through the media to the public, who now see the world as "My way, or fuck off". I find it interesting that the hard left part of the Labour party is doing the same thing now, completely failing to listen to anyone that disagrees with them and damn the consequences (which is that no-one would even vote for them right now, with the Tories having just screwed the country). Anyway, I believe that we should be spending all of our political energy now on stopping Theresa May from becoming PM. I can't imagine anything more abhorrent and disgusting than a government run by that incompetent, evil, satanic bitch, | ||
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kollin
United Kingdom8380 Posts
On June 25 2016 21:25 Reaps wrote: You cant just cheat 17million people, there will be mass riots in the streets which will make the London riots look like nothing if you do another vote. If it was decided beforehand this would be a different story but it wasn't. The only option we have is to work together and try to make the best of the outcome. Stop blaming the other side, the stupidity in people really came out with this referendum. Can you cheat 16 million though? I'm not advocating any particular solution but this is literally going to tear the country apart if it's gone through with. | ||
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Reaps
United Kingdom1280 Posts
On June 25 2016 21:42 kollin wrote: Can you cheat 16 million though? I'm not advocating any particular solution but this is literally going to tear the country apart if it's gone through with. What are you talking about? They lost the vote fair and square, there will be no cheating involved. There is too much uncertainty we simply don't know enough to make such conclusions for the future yet. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom10001 Posts
On June 25 2016 21:42 kollin wrote: Can you cheat 16 million though? I'm not advocating any particular solution but this is literally going to tear the country apart if it's gone through with. Its too late now. Imagine the outcry if we don't go through with it. Its only taken a couple of days for people to realize what they have done here. Boris Johnson's first press conference had a fucking funeral atmosphere about it. Like "Oh, shit. We won. Shit." The country was torn apart as soon as the referendum was announced. There's just no going back. | ||
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kollin
United Kingdom8380 Posts
On June 25 2016 21:44 Reaps wrote: What are you talking about? They lost the vote fair and square, there will be no cheating involved. There is too much uncertainty we simply don't know enough to make such conclusions for the future yet. Well they lost to a 52% majority that voted for a campaign which almost immediately after the result publicly announced they were lying on the key issues. When I imagine democracy, I don't imagine that. | ||
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Reaps
United Kingdom1280 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On June 25 2016 21:32 OtherWorld wrote: Technically, why couldn't Scotland organize the referendum without Westminster's approval, with its own ressources? The only way Westminster could prevent it would be through violence, and surely that's not what the UK wants, right? Just make a referendum even if it's non binding, air Braveheart the day before on TV and enjoy your 90%+ for leaving the UK. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On June 25 2016 22:10 Toadesstern wrote: Just make a referendum even if it's non binding, air Braveheart the day before on TV and enjoy your 90%+ for leaving the UK. Prepare for 2 years of Braveheart Memes. The petition is interesting and show the problem with making such a huge change with such slim mandate. Should have required at least 60%. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom10001 Posts
I can guarantee a sizable number of those petitions are just people who want to look cool on facebook in front of their mates. "Look guys i'm,like, a political activist now." | ||
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kollin
United Kingdom8380 Posts
On June 25 2016 22:20 Jockmcplop wrote: There's no point people suddenly caring about election rules just after an election. I can guarantee a sizable number of those petitions are just people who want to look cool on facebook in front of their mates. "Look guys i'm,like, a political activist now." I think you're underestimating the frustration a lot of young people feel with this result | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
Even if it was a 60% referendum, does anyone here think we'd be done with it assuming the same outcome from a numbers point of view? | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
I work in customs brokerage compliance consulting and tools. I made a comment offhandedly talking to a friend about the referendum about how this vote will show how many old people are still alive. I didnt think it would have ended up such a critical factor The UK was operating heavily as an entry for the big trade players as a direct entry to the EU. I have set up in 7 months atleast 27 NRI's there and I work for a mid size consultant, nothing fancy. UK Coal is gone, Ship building is gone, steel is mmmz mehish. The strength of the financial and research (and to some degree education) were the only things working and they just got boned. Literally this just shrekked my Euro knockouts weekend thanks Brexit QQ | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom10001 Posts
That's not how elections work though. You can't just ask for more referendums when the you don't get the result you want. We would be voting daily. It doesn't make sense. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On June 25 2016 22:23 Rebs wrote: ughh... all of the Canadian wings of my clients are starting procedures to move their NRI's out of Englands. + Show Spoiler + I work in customs brokerage compliance consulting and tools. I made a comment offhandedly talking to a friend about the referendum about how this vote will show how many old people are still alive. I didnt think it would have ended up such a critical factor The UK was operating heavily as an entry for the big trade players as a direct entry to the EU. I have set up in 7 months atleast 27 NRI's there and I work for a mid size consultant, nothing fancy. UK Coal is gone, Ship building is gone, steel is mmmz mehish. The strength of the financial and research (and to some degree education) were the only things working and they just got boned. Literally this just shrekked my Euro knockouts weekend thanks Brexit QQ yeah that's from my point of view really the biggest thing as well (as in, what kind of people I personally know etc). Not so much about trade between EU nations but if you want to trade with the EU and aren't part of it you need some kind of contact inside the EU for a lot of things. So the UK was really an easy choice for lots of companies from the US etc, even if just for language reasons. | ||
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Sent.
Poland9331 Posts
On June 25 2016 22:22 Toadesstern wrote: I can only expect that Cameron wanted to end UKIP for good and thus went with 50% thinking he could get that fairly easily. Even if it was a 60% referendum, does anyone here think we'd be done with it assuming the same outcome from a numbers point of view? It should be 55% or more but Cameron should promise to resign if Leave gets more than 50%. | ||
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