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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
June 24 2016 15:45 GMT
#2801
If Scotland leaves the UK then they need to find a Stuart to put on the Throne as Scotland can only be ruled by a Scottish monarch.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9208 Posts
June 24 2016 15:47 GMT
#2802
People like this baffle me

Deleted User 26513
Profile Joined February 2007
2376 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-24 15:49:51
June 24 2016 15:48 GMT
#2803
On June 25 2016 00:45 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
If Scotland leaves the UK then they need to find a Stuart to put on the Throne as Scotland can only be ruled by a Scottish monarch.

Or maybe scratch all of that medieval bullshit and found a republic.
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
June 24 2016 15:54 GMT
#2804
On June 25 2016 00:47 Dan HH wrote:
People like this baffle me

https://twitter.com/5_News/status/746333341532598279


Not even in the slightest surprise, that, is english in a nutshell.
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
June 24 2016 15:54 GMT
#2805
They used to call it Greek tragedy when the fates wrought their revenge on human folly and weakness. But maybe a better term in the case of the folly and weakness of the modern Tory party is European tragedy. For, as a broken David Cameron announced his resignation on Friday morning, one question must have been battering his exhausted brain more than any other.

How was it that a modern-minded liberal Conservative leader who long ago told his party to “stop banging on about Europe” if it wanted to get back into power after three successive defeats – and who then delivered two terms in government – has himself been brought down by that same party over that same European question?

Cameron himself played the role of tragic hero as he notified the nation of his intention to step down before the autumn. “There can be no doubt about the result,” he said. “The British people have voted to leave the European Union and their will must be respected.”

But he added that the tortuous negotiations ahead with the EU would require “strong determined and committed leadership” that he felt he could no longer provide. “The country requires fresh leadership to take it in this direction.”

And there seemed scant consolation in his laconic summary of what he would rather be remembered for. “I believe we’ve made great steps, with more people in work than ever before in our history, with reforms to welfare and education, increasing people’s life chances, building a bigger and stronger society, keeping our promises to the poorest people in the world and enabling those who love each other to get married whatever their sexuality, but above all restoring Britain’s economic strength.”

All of that is likely to be forgotten in the European tumult. The warnings from history could not have been clearer. Party divisions over Europe had been the undoing of both Cameron’s predecessors as Conservative prime minister. Margaret Thatcher’s fall in 1990 was triggered by her increasingly anti-European rhetoric and stance. John Major’s long slide to defeat in 1997 was powered by his inability to prevent poisonous divisions over the Maastricht treaty on European integration. Right from the start of his own rise to the top, Cameron knew the dangers.


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Holy_AT
Profile Joined July 2010
Austria978 Posts
June 24 2016 15:58 GMT
#2806
So, guys how long do you think it will take now for the third european civil war to break out again?
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 24 2016 16:02 GMT
#2807
On June 25 2016 00:58 Holy_AT wrote:
So, guys how long do you think it will take now for the third european civil war to break out again?

Decades? The nations need to build armies first.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6274 Posts
June 24 2016 16:03 GMT
#2808
According to the news on dutch television only 36% is in favour of a referendum in NL. Dunno where the numbeer came from that a majority wants it.
SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
June 24 2016 16:03 GMT
#2809
On June 25 2016 00:58 Holy_AT wrote:
So, guys how long do you think it will take now for the third european civil war to break out again?


There won't be war from this generation. We're too soft and too greedy to ever put ourselves in harms way.
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43991 Posts
June 24 2016 16:03 GMT
#2810
It's important to remember that the House of Commons is currently divided 330 Conservative MPs (the government) to 320 other and the Conservatives themselves are deeply divided on the European question. 51% of the people want the MPs to do something but it's extremely unclear what that something is at this point or whether it can be done.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4416 Posts
June 24 2016 16:06 GMT
#2811
On June 25 2016 00:58 Holy_AT wrote:
So, guys how long do you think it will take now for the third european civil war to break out again?

NATO dissolved overnight?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
Deleuze
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United Kingdom2102 Posts
June 24 2016 16:07 GMT
#2812
On June 25 2016 00:47 Dan HH wrote:
People like this baffle me

https://twitter.com/5_News/status/746333341532598279


They're call idiots. There are far more of them than I realised.
“An image of thought called philosophy has been formed historically and it effectively stops people from thinking.” ― Gilles Deleuze, Dialogues II
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4416 Posts
June 24 2016 16:07 GMT
#2813
On June 25 2016 01:03 RvB wrote:
According to the news on dutch television only 36% is in favour of a referendum in NL. Dunno where the numbeer came from that a majority wants it.

Old figure prior to successful UK result, it will be higher now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4416 Posts
June 24 2016 16:08 GMT
#2814
Greece needs to be the next to leave, EU austerity measures have destroyed it's economy.
Leave the EU, go back to the Drachma and let your tourism industry thrive again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
June 24 2016 16:10 GMT
#2815
On June 25 2016 01:08 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Greece needs to be the next to leave, EU austerity measures have destroyed it's economy.
Leave the EU, go back to the Drachma and let your tourism industry thrive again.

No chance. What would they live from? They got used to living just from the money, the EU has borrowed them. Nobody will ever pay them back.
sOs | Rogue | Maru | Trap | Scarlett | Snute | MC
CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-24 16:15:22
June 24 2016 16:15 GMT
#2816

Probably the millennials
© Current year.
hfglgg
Profile Joined December 2012
Germany5372 Posts
June 24 2016 16:18 GMT
#2817
On June 25 2016 01:08 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Greece needs to be the next to leave, EU austerity measures have destroyed it's economy.
Leave the EU, go back to the Drachma and let your tourism industry thrive again.


i mean, austerity didnt help and makes sure they have an even harder time to recover, but greece lived way over their limits for years and that ultimately leads do your downfall.
dont play with the big boys, you gonna get burned.
Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-24 16:25:26
June 24 2016 16:22 GMT
#2818
When the UK leaves, they will be fine again in a few years. If Greece leaves, there will be hunger in the country. And the MUST leave! The model, where Germany sends every couple of months money to Greece, which they take and eat, is not sustainable. The sooner this ends, the better. But it will not be good for Greek population. The UK people lost overnight 10% of their property today. The Greek people will lose like 90% of their property when it happens.
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RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6274 Posts
June 24 2016 16:28 GMT
#2819
On June 25 2016 01:07 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2016 01:03 RvB wrote:
According to the news on dutch television only 36% is in favour of a referendum in NL. Dunno where the numbeer came from that a majority wants it.

Old figure prior to successful UK result, it will be higher now.

No obviously not. Theyre not dumb. Stop trying to make everythjng fit your narrative.
Dirtyharry
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Germany171 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-24 17:38:09
June 24 2016 16:37 GMT
#2820
On June 25 2016 01:15 CorsairHero wrote:
https://twitter.com/GoogleTrends/status/746303118820937728
Probably the millennials


Oh dear, this is a good reason to prefer parliamentary democracy over the direct democracy. I feel sad today.
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