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Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-24 16:55:57
June 24 2016 16:50 GMT
#2821
Dutch are different from England, lots of people opposed to the EU in its current structure for sure but that is vastly different then actually leaving, our media landscape and recognition as a small country instead of a powerhouse also means we are unlikely to vote leave(if the referendum even occurs). We also have a 1 man 1 vote voting system so the disenfranchisement is not as bad as it is in GB

host of different reasons as to why we won't leave

were fine.
WriterXiao8~~
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18857 Posts
June 24 2016 16:57 GMT
#2822
On June 25 2016 01:28 RvB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2016 01:07 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
On June 25 2016 01:03 RvB wrote:
According to the news on dutch television only 36% is in favour of a referendum in NL. Dunno where the numbeer came from that a majority wants it.

Old figure prior to successful UK result, it will be higher now.

No obviously not. Theyre not dumb. Stop trying to make everythjng fit your narrative.

Nettles is like the chicken little of financial disaster, so I wouldn't pay him much mind
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43991 Posts
June 24 2016 17:11 GMT
#2823
On June 25 2016 01:57 farvacola wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2016 01:28 RvB wrote:
On June 25 2016 01:07 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
On June 25 2016 01:03 RvB wrote:
According to the news on dutch television only 36% is in favour of a referendum in NL. Dunno where the numbeer came from that a majority wants it.

Old figure prior to successful UK result, it will be higher now.

No obviously not. Theyre not dumb. Stop trying to make everythjng fit your narrative.

Nettles is like the chicken little of financial disaster, so I wouldn't pay him much mind

On November 10 2010 20:48 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
it's obvious to anyone now though that inflation is going to go from high , to very high , to hyperinflation within the space of a 18 months or so (not being pessimistic just realistic , Bernanke just pumped 600bn more funny money into the system and gold jumped $50 in a day , now above 1400)

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GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
June 24 2016 17:17 GMT
#2824
On June 24 2016 18:20 Lil_nooblet wrote:
Well it looks like xenophobia and racism ended up winning.


Do you call everyone you disagree with xenophobic and racist?
NukeD
Profile Joined October 2010
Croatia1612 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-24 17:21:10
June 24 2016 17:20 GMT
#2825
On June 25 2016 02:17 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2016 18:20 Lil_nooblet wrote:
Well it looks like xenophobia and racism ended up winning.


Do you call everyone you disagree with xenophobic and racist?

Im gonna take a wild guess and say yes. Thats how the modern liberalism works.
sorry for dem one liners
Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
June 24 2016 17:23 GMT
#2826
If xenophobia and racism are on the other side of the spectrum to political correctness, then I take with all 10 fingers the xenophobia and racism.
sOs | Rogue | Maru | Trap | Scarlett | Snute | MC
Reaps
Profile Joined June 2012
United Kingdom1280 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-24 17:28:01
June 24 2016 17:24 GMT
#2827
I normally just ignore the morons shouting words like racism with zero evidence. I cant even imagine how uneducated you need to be to connect "racist" and "xeonophobic" to everyone that voted for Brexit. It's mindboggling.
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9849 Posts
June 24 2016 17:24 GMT
#2828
The irony is that Scotland wants to now have a second referedum.
My prediction:
They vote to leave the UK then in about 5 years time there's a rise in right wing Scottish nationalism because they're sick of all the English refugees being such a drain on all their public services and finances, so they also vote to leave the EU.
RIP Meatloaf <3
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
June 24 2016 17:28 GMT
#2829
On June 25 2016 02:24 Reaps wrote:
I normally just ignore the morons shouting words like racism. I cant even imagine how uneducated you need to be to connect "racist" and "xeonophobic" to everyone that voted for Brexit. It's mindboggling.


You can debate if it was actually racist/xenophobic or not, but immigration was one of the leading issues that pushed the entire issue.

If you can't see how the Brexit debate was linked to ideas of racism/xenophobia, then you're blind.
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
Reaps
Profile Joined June 2012
United Kingdom1280 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-24 17:38:03
June 24 2016 17:35 GMT
#2830
On June 25 2016 02:28 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2016 02:24 Reaps wrote:
I normally just ignore the morons shouting words like racism. I cant even imagine how uneducated you need to be to connect "racist" and "xeonophobic" to everyone that voted for Brexit. It's mindboggling.


You can debate if it was actually racist/xenophobic or not, but immigration was one of the leading issues that pushed the entire issue.

If you can't see how the Brexit debate was linked to ideas of racism/xenophobia, then you're blind.


And how can you tell if people are racist/xenophobic for wanting better immigration controls? Wouldn't that depend on their reasons for wanting a better immigration system, or are you one of those people that think mass uncontrolled immigration is a good thing.

There could be many reasons why people have a problem with the way immigration is at the moment, and it doesn't have to be racism or whatever else. I have always been pro immigration myself, i do believe its good for the economy, however there is a limit.

So as i said, people shouting the words racism without any evidence are mindboggling, it does nothing but try to shut down the debate.
Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
June 24 2016 17:35 GMT
#2831
On June 25 2016 02:28 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2016 02:24 Reaps wrote:
I normally just ignore the morons shouting words like racism. I cant even imagine how uneducated you need to be to connect "racist" and "xeonophobic" to everyone that voted for Brexit. It's mindboggling.


You can debate if it was actually racist/xenophobic or not, but immigration was one of the leading issues that pushed the entire issue.

If you can't see how the Brexit debate was linked to ideas of racism/xenophobia, then you're blind.

But this is exactly the problem. Because it is exactly only idiots, who consider "racism/xenophobia" and "being against an uncontrolled immigration" as synonyms.
sOs | Rogue | Maru | Trap | Scarlett | Snute | MC
Topdoller
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom3860 Posts
June 24 2016 17:38 GMT
#2832
I live in the North of England, and i can tell right now this vote is based on racism and poverty, both of which have fuck all to be involved in the EU but are caused by Leadership incompetence of successive ruling goverments

I am 48 years old and i have never been so disappointed in my fellow man.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 24 2016 17:39 GMT
#2833
With that line of reasoning, we will never be able to say that anything is xenophobic or racist. Or use the words in a modern context, since there could always be a "a good reason." They will be reserved for historical events where the intent of the actors has already been decided upon. Sounds risky.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
June 24 2016 17:42 GMT
#2834
On June 25 2016 02:28 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2016 02:24 Reaps wrote:
I normally just ignore the morons shouting words like racism. I cant even imagine how uneducated you need to be to connect "racist" and "xeonophobic" to everyone that voted for Brexit. It's mindboggling.


You can debate if it was actually racist/xenophobic or not, but immigration was one of the leading issues that pushed the entire issue.

If you can't see how the Brexit debate was linked to ideas of racism/xenophobia, then you're blind.


I don't know why you think wanting stronger immigration policies is linked to racism/xenophobia.

It seems like you're the blind one to what a slippery slope fallacy that is.
Reaps
Profile Joined June 2012
United Kingdom1280 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-24 17:48:13
June 24 2016 17:46 GMT
#2835
We are talking about Britain here, one of the, if not the most multicultural country/'s in the world. I normally stay away from these debates as most of them happen in the USA thread and i'm not completely educated on stuff like the problems with racism etc over there, i don't believe its as bad as some make out but sure there are problems.

Now Britain is a completely different story, i have never seen people so open to LGBT community or ethnic minorities, its a great thing to be a part of. Not saying there is no racism, you're always going to get the odd idiots but to say that people voted Brexit because they don't like people of a certain skin colour is laughable, and it has no basis.

If Liberals spent their time accusing actual racists of racism we would all be a lot better off and wouldn't need these endless debates.
SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
June 24 2016 17:59 GMT
#2836
The EU deserves this for having unaccountable civil servants dictating policy.
Merkel deserves this for her absolutely disastrous migrant policy.
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
SoSexy
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Italy3725 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-24 18:03:42
June 24 2016 18:02 GMT
#2837
On June 25 2016 02:24 Reaps wrote:
I normally just ignore the morons shouting words like racism with zero evidence. I cant even imagine how uneducated you need to be to connect "racist" and "xeonophobic" to everyone that voted for Brexit. It's mindboggling.


Just ignore them. Today is such a sweet day - seeing butthurt people everywhere on socials with illogical arguments all over. Fantastic
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mdb
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
Bulgaria4059 Posts
June 24 2016 18:03 GMT
#2838
And what exactly is racism? I mean not the definition in wikipedia, but what people think of when they hear "racist" and "racism". First thing that comes to mind to me are the nazi party, ss officers and Hitler. Or neonazis and football ultras in recent times. How many real racists exist these days? I mean people who'll go all the way and start killing inviduals of other races... Very, very, very few i think.
The fact that immigrants and mostly the economic immigrants are not liked by big chunk of the modern societies has nothing to do with racism as pointed few times in this thread.
RoomOfMush
Profile Joined March 2015
1296 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-24 18:10:21
June 24 2016 18:05 GMT
#2839
On June 25 2016 02:59 SK.Testie wrote:
The EU deserves this for having unaccountable civil servants dictating policy.
Merkel deserves this for her absolutely disastrous migrant policy.

"Native" Germans are dying out. What is "disastrous" about importing human resources from other countries?
The leaders dont care about the ancestry of the citizens. What they care about is cheap labourers who do as they are told. If the old population gets lazy, get a new population.
This is perhaps the smartest move they could have made. The immigrants will work cheap jobs with comparatively bad conditions and they will be thankful for that. Its the ultimate win for the german society.
zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6342 Posts
June 24 2016 18:06 GMT
#2840
On June 25 2016 03:02 SoSexy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2016 02:24 Reaps wrote:
I normally just ignore the morons shouting words like racism with zero evidence. I cant even imagine how uneducated you need to be to connect "racist" and "xeonophobic" to everyone that voted for Brexit. It's mindboggling.


Just ignore them. Today is such a sweet day - seeing butthurt people everywhere on socials with illogical arguments all over. Fantastic

Whats sad to see is an entire generation of kids who don't know what it means to have freedom doesn't understand why you'd even want it in the first place.

Their great-grandfathers died fighting for sovereignty, what luck you must have to live in an age were you only have to tick a box for freedom.
"No amount of evidence will ever persuade an idiot." - Mark Twain
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