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Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9208 Posts
June 24 2016 15:25 GMT
#2781
On June 25 2016 00:09 stilt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2016 23:19 Plansix wrote:
On June 24 2016 23:15 Gorsameth wrote:
On June 24 2016 23:14 Plansix wrote:
On June 24 2016 23:09 ahswtini wrote:


scientists baffled

TFW you triple dare someone as a joke and then they do it with tragic results.

Which is why protest votes are a stupid thing that can do serious damage that even those voting in protest do not want.

This is why a double referendum is needed. The “Are you for sure?” referendum.


The liberals and democracy, ahahahahahahah, and you talk about intellectual honestly? Do you even know how to think?

I no longer know what the fuck 'liberal' means on the internet, now that even Europeans use it in weird contexts
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
June 24 2016 15:25 GMT
#2782
On June 25 2016 00:21 ahswtini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2016 00:03 Diabolique wrote:
On June 25 2016 00:02 ahswtini wrote:
is invoking article 50 a one-way process? does it commit the uk to leaving once it starts?

It is a process of negotiations, that will last 2 years. But I do not think, it will start withing the next few months. More in 2017 I guess.

this didnt answer my question. my question is, when you invoke article 50, will it still be possible to abort the process to leave the EU

Just read article 50 yourself: Link

1. Any Member State may decide to withdraw from the Union in accordance with its own constitutional requirements.

2. A Member State which decides to withdraw shall notify the European Council of its intention. In the light of the guidelines provided by the European Council, the Union shall negotiate and conclude an agreement with that State, setting out the arrangements for its withdrawal, taking account of the framework for its future relationship with the Union. That agreement shall be negotiated in accordance with Article 218(3) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union. It shall be concluded on behalf of the Union by the Council, acting by a qualified majority, after obtaining the consent of the European Parliament.

3. The Treaties shall cease to apply to the State in question from the date of entry into force of the withdrawal agreement or, failing that, two years after the notification referred to in paragraph 2, unless the European Council, in agreement with the Member State concerned, unanimously decides to extend this period.

4. For the purposes of paragraphs 2 and 3, the member of the European Council or of the Council representing the withdrawing Member State shall not participate in the discussions of the European Council or Council or in decisions concerning it.

A qualified majority shall be defined in accordance with Article 238(3)(b) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union.

5. If a State which has withdrawn from the Union asks to rejoin, its request shall be subject to the procedure referred to in Article 49.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
RoomOfMush
Profile Joined March 2015
1296 Posts
June 24 2016 15:25 GMT
#2783
On June 25 2016 00:02 ahswtini wrote:
is invoking article 50 a one-way process? does it commit the uk to leaving once it starts?

As far as I heard from the press, the other EU countries want the UK to leave as quickly as possible. This is because the big uncertainty is damaging the markets. They want to keep the chaos down so the UK will be forced to get out quickly.

On the other hand, if the UK ever wants to get back in they will be forced to go through the same process as all other nations have to go. They are going to be in a situation far worse than what they were in before.
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15846 Posts
June 24 2016 15:26 GMT
#2784
On June 25 2016 00:04 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2016 23:59 Diabolique wrote:
Reactions from Czech press:
"The EU leaders will meet, discuss and think. And then, they will design the solution: We need more integration, more regulation, more centralization!"
:-)))

Yup, their goal is always more power.
Doing that of course will increase euroscepticism across member states so they're in a fight against time.Create a unified European superstate with an EU army before anymore individual nation states vote to get out of the EU.Then the Eurocrats can keep their cushy EUR20,000/month jobs w/perks and generous pensions plus they have the most important thing of all.... power!

So what's wrong with giving EU more power? I welcome this slow shift, EU never hid the fact they want more power and less power to the countries. It would eventually lead to a unique big country and if the power inside the country is well dispatched locally (I like Landers from Germany and direct votes from Swiss), it's a good thing. Do you believe the Earth will always be divided in countries?
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
June 24 2016 15:27 GMT
#2785
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Hassybaby
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom10823 Posts
June 24 2016 15:27 GMT
#2786
On June 24 2016 23:46 Dan HH wrote:
Brits, how likely do you think it is that you'll actually leave the single market?


Well....we voted on it.....quite likely I'm guessing. Unless we give something up. I vote Cornwall
"These guys are mindfucking me into a sex coma" | "Mayonnaise is a must-have lubricant when performing necrophilia"
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22212 Posts
June 24 2016 15:27 GMT
#2787
looks inconclusive to me
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
June 24 2016 15:27 GMT
#2788
On June 25 2016 00:21 ahswtini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2016 00:03 Diabolique wrote:
On June 25 2016 00:02 ahswtini wrote:
is invoking article 50 a one-way process? does it commit the uk to leaving once it starts?

It is a process of negotiations, that will last 2 years. But I do not think, it will start withing the next few months. More in 2017 I guess.

this didnt answer my question. my question is, when you invoke article 50, will it still be possible to abort the process to leave the EU

I know, I did not answer it. I am not sure. But as the EU politicians want only one thing = more power, I am sure, if the UK in some moment decided not to leave, they would be happy and let them stay. But look at today, the UK will still discuss, what to do, maybe to initiate it first in one year, after new elections in France, maybe early elections in the UK ... while the EU politicians angrily declare, the negotiations must start ASAP.
sOs | Rogue | Maru | Trap | Scarlett | Snute | MC
Deleted User 26513
Profile Joined February 2007
2376 Posts
June 24 2016 15:27 GMT
#2789
So now all of a sudden - Boris Johnson: no need to immediately trigger Article 50.
Are you for fucking real ? And 52% of the UK voters believe in what that clown is saying.
Either you leave or not. You already fucked the financial markets. Just leave and let us continue as 27. Juncker apealed for the same.
Cameron can invoke Article 50 as soon as Tuesday.
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
June 24 2016 15:28 GMT
#2790
Sometimes you have to wonder, but then again the effects aren't always so tangible until it's too late. Food for thought.

The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4416 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-24 15:29:53
June 24 2016 15:28 GMT
#2791
On June 25 2016 00:09 Diabolique wrote:
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On June 25 2016 00:06 Kickboxer wrote:
Secular societies should actively endeavor to stay secular and limit the influx of new and the public practices of existing religious population. If people think this is fascist or oppressive they are not thinking in terms of reality but theory.

Organized religion is an expansive, exclusive and subversive element that actively works against the values and norms of a secular society to the best of its abilities. It's happening right now in Turkey as well as Poland, to stay balanced. So there has to be a pragmatic outlook on this outside of some contentious theoretical morality.

Religious people can go live in religious societies alongside their peers who share their views and expectations. This goes for all religions though Muslims are particularly problematic for reasons that, should you be unable to understand them yourself, no one will ever be able to explain to you.

I don't understand how correctly identifying Islam (or any group of people who demand special treatment for religious i.e. technically speaking irrational and unjustifiable reasons) as a serious impediment to a harmonious secular society is racist. Islam is not a race. If you need any kind of special treatment outside the privacy of your home in order to satisfy your religious imperative your place is in a religious society.

Islam is fine as long as it does not have over 50% of votes in the country. After it reaches 50%, they will change the society to non secular. Exactly what will happen in Belgium, Germany, France, Sweden and others ... in 20-30 years?

They will no longer have a national identity and therefore will be easier for the EU superstate to control.Thats what this is all about - control, power, removing national identities to create a superstate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22212 Posts
June 24 2016 15:28 GMT
#2792
On June 25 2016 00:27 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/carlzimmer/status/746361449065381888

rather misleading. farage was never part of the official vote leave campaign, who put out the £350m number. in fact, he distanced himself from it.
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9299 Posts
June 24 2016 15:29 GMT
#2793
On June 25 2016 00:27 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/carlzimmer/status/746361449065381888


Farage is a leader now?
You're now breathing manually
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-24 15:34:25
June 24 2016 15:33 GMT
#2794
On June 25 2016 00:27 Hassybaby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2016 23:46 Dan HH wrote:
Brits, how likely do you think it is that you'll actually leave the single market?


Well....we voted on it.....quite likely I'm guessing. Unless we give something up. I vote Cornwall

but cornwall is the best part about you guys
Got massive benefits from the EU, voted ooverwhelmingly in favor of Leave and is now asking for a replacement for the EU monies
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
June 24 2016 15:36 GMT
#2795
Whatever happens, it seems, Scotland, Northern Ireland will leave the UK.
Yes, and London. :-)
sOs | Rogue | Maru | Trap | Scarlett | Snute | MC
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
June 24 2016 15:38 GMT
#2796
On June 25 2016 00:27 Pr0wler wrote:
So now all of a sudden - Boris Johnson: no need to immediately trigger Article 50.
Are you for fucking real ? And 52% of the UK voters believe in what that clown is saying.
Either you leave or not. You already fucked the financial markets. Just leave and let us continue as 27. Juncker apealed for the same.
Cameron can invoke Article 50 as soon as Tuesday.

Maybe he's just trying to be pragmatic and realize that it's probably in the best interest of the UK to trigger Article 50 not instantly, but when things have cooled down a bit?
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Deleted User 26513
Profile Joined February 2007
2376 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-24 15:41:18
June 24 2016 15:40 GMT
#2797
On June 25 2016 00:38 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2016 00:27 Pr0wler wrote:
So now all of a sudden - Boris Johnson: no need to immediately trigger Article 50.
Are you for fucking real ? And 52% of the UK voters believe in what that clown is saying.
Either you leave or not. You already fucked the financial markets. Just leave and let us continue as 27. Juncker apealed for the same.
Cameron can invoke Article 50 as soon as Tuesday.

Maybe he's just trying to be pragmatic and realize that it's probably in the best interest of the UK to trigger Article 50 not instantly, but when things have cooled down a bit?

Except he wanted to leave as soon as possible during the campaign(well at least half of it, after he decided that he is for Leave)... Typical powerhungry lying clown.
stilt
Profile Joined October 2012
France2755 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-24 15:42:34
June 24 2016 15:41 GMT
#2798
On June 25 2016 00:25 Dan HH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2016 00:09 stilt wrote:
On June 24 2016 23:19 Plansix wrote:
On June 24 2016 23:15 Gorsameth wrote:
On June 24 2016 23:14 Plansix wrote:
On June 24 2016 23:09 ahswtini wrote:
https://twitter.com/louisa_compton/status/746279848180592640

scientists baffled

TFW you triple dare someone as a joke and then they do it with tragic results.

Which is why protest votes are a stupid thing that can do serious damage that even those voting in protest do not want.

This is why a double referendum is needed. The “Are you for sure?” referendum.


The liberals and democracy, ahahahahahahah, and you talk about intellectual honestly? Do you even know how to think?

I no longer know what the fuck 'liberal' means on the internet, now that even Europeans use it in weird contexts


French and I would say continental eu context define Liberals as ppl for a total deregulation of the market, and of the financial globalization, privatization of all the state for the most radical and no taxes whatsoever.
In USA, for what I know from political history of the nation and my trips, I would say it is more about a "progressive" view of the world represented by Roosevelt and the new Deal which is now totally twisted by the liberals of the french definition.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
June 24 2016 15:45 GMT
#2799
Can the EU decide to start the process themselves? There were multiple comments that if the UK votes for Brexit it should get done as soon as possible. I'm sure most of the rest of the EU wants this to start as soon as possible and get over it rather than drag it out.
Merkel said that she's going to meet with leaders from ... iirc at least France and Italy tomorrow, right?
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Hassybaby
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom10823 Posts
June 24 2016 15:45 GMT
#2800
On June 25 2016 00:36 Diabolique wrote:
Whatever happens, it seems, Scotland, Northern Ireland will leave the UK.
Yes, and London. :-)

Oh I'd vote for that within seconds
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