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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
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DickMcFanny
Ireland1076 Posts
On June 24 2016 19:42 Linear wrote: Waiting for you to either say you're racist or to show me some facts about your earlier claims... Nah, it's just not worth it. I could show you immigration statistics of second and third generation Turks in Germany, I could give you polls after polls after polls showing that Muslims consider Islam above state laws, I could point to a thousand anecdotes of refugees in refugee camps trying to force Islamic bullshit on Christian refugees, I could point at the state of secularism in pretty much every single Muslim majority country. You can just call me racist and in your mind you have won the argument. Outside of the USA, Muslim integration has never worked. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22487 Posts
On June 24 2016 19:42 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Well looking at this (dutch) picture it does seem Scotland has a different view :o ![[image loading]](https://nos.nl/data/image/2016/06/24/293549/864x486.jpg) 20 Erdogans in one continent what could go wrong? The twitter is about Scotland wanting another referendum for independence so they can leave Britain and rejoin the EU. so yes the twitter and the picture match. A large part of the reason that Scotland voted to remain with Britain last time was their EU membership. | ||
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Hassybaby
United Kingdom10823 Posts
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
On June 24 2016 19:46 Pandemona wrote: Wales should have had their votes revoked in this, they are voting with "hot heads" due to the steel crisis. They are "blaming" the EU for not clamping down on the cheap steel coming into the EU from China....and that is the reason why the steel industry in Wales collapsed and died causing huge issues. HOWEVER Wales gets the most money out of the EU than any other "country" in the UK, they just voted so stupidly and shot themselves in the foot, they are fucked without Steel industry with thousands without a job and now the money they get in for local projects and improvements across the country in underprivileged areas are now also gone as there aint any money from the UK government to help them! Wouldn't matter though, England itself is resonsible for the leave. Yes, more people were for leaving the EU, but if you remove the votes it wouldn't look any better. | ||
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Deleted User 26513
2376 Posts
On June 24 2016 19:42 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Well looking at this (dutch) picture it does seem Scotland has a different view :o 20 Erdogans in one continent what could go wrong? And 1 Putin. Yay ! A party ! | ||
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hifriend
China7935 Posts
I also hope the EU will not be petty trying to 'punish' the Brits, their only concern should be expediating the process establishing new, reasonable agreements. "They need to discourage other nations from leaving" what kind of a union needs to punish parties to keep them in line, why should it exist then. I hope this triggers renegotiations from other countries as well, and fundamental reform of EU. EU losing a big chunk of its budget is only positive at this point. EU is not working, yet it keeps growing and its powers keep expanding. The criticism isn't limited to the UK it is ubiquitous. I wish they would see this for what it is and make a serious change of direction. | ||
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showstealer1829
Australia3123 Posts
On June 24 2016 19:35 Zaros wrote: https://twitter.com/nickeardleybbc/status/746290585171070976 Except it isn't. Under the Scotland act they have to get authority from Westminster and they made it clear last time the referendum was "Once in a generation" so I'm guessing if they ask for the authority Westminster's reply will be something along the lines of  . I mean the SNP already has 56 of 59 seats in the UK parliament from Scotland, it's not like they're losing anything by telling the Scots to bugger off | ||
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stilt
France2755 Posts
 Gratz GB, even if it was not your first motivation, you avenge the dismembering of Greece. The social condition and history of France does not allow me a hope that France will leave EU but hey, at least, they will recognize that nation state still exists. | ||
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Tula
Austria1544 Posts
On June 24 2016 19:50 showstealer1829 wrote: Except it isn't. Under the Scotland act they have to get authority from Westminster and they made it clear last time the referendum was "Once in a generation" so I'm guessing if they ask for the authority Westminster's reply will be something along the lines of That would be hilarious but i cannot imagine anyone in Westminster being that stupid. They promised quite a few things in the run-up to the Scotland vote and so far they haven't implemented anything worthwhile. In addition the situation has changed quite a lot just today, personally they have literally zero authority to deny a new referendum. The next few weeks will certainly be turbulent. edit: Listening to Merkel on the livestream I must say that there wasn't much of substance in there yet. I guess no one truly expected this vote so they really haven't prepared anything yet. | ||
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maartendq
Belgium3115 Posts
On June 24 2016 19:46 Pandemona wrote: Wales should have had their votes revoked in this, they are voting with "hot heads" due to the steel crisis. They are "blaming" the EU for not clamping down on the cheap steel coming into the EU from China....and that is the reason why the steel industry in Wales collapsed and died causing huge issues. HOWEVER Wales gets the most money out of the EU than any other "country" in the UK, they just voted so stupidly and shot themselves in the foot, they are fucked without Steel industry with thousands without a job and now the money they get in for local projects and improvements across the country in underprivileged areas are now also gone as there aint any money from the UK government to help them! You fail to mention how it was the UK that blocked higher tariffs against Chinese dumped steel. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Like why would any company pay x % more for a product they can get cheaper elsewhere just because the EU "recommend" you use Welsh steel lol. | ||
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Pik
Germany176 Posts
On June 24 2016 19:50 hifriend wrote: EU is not working I always hear that, yet nobody can explain to me why? For me the EU is the greatest political achievement of the last 100 years. I think it wont take long until the british people realize they made a huge mistake just because of simple fears that everyone in Europe has. It speaks volumes that the only international "figures" pro-brexit were Trump and Putin. | ||
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
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Scorch
Austria3371 Posts
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stilt
France2755 Posts
On June 24 2016 19:46 Pandemona wrote: Wales should have had their votes revoked in this, they are voting with "hot heads" due to the steel crisis. They are "blaming" the EU for not clamping down on the cheap steel coming into the EU from China....and that is the reason why the steel industry in Wales collapsed and died causing huge issues. HOWEVER Wales gets the most money out of the EU than any other "country" in the UK, they just voted so stupidly and shot themselves in the foot, they are fucked without Steel industry with thousands without a job and now the money they get in for local projects and improvements across the country in underprivileged areas are now also gone as there aint any money from the UK government to help them! With this comment, we see directly how EU supporters care about democracy and people sovereignty... Eu has totally destroyed a nation with its politic of rigor, their privatisations in Greece have allowed an amplification of the debts speculation because what? Greek elections were against their will. UE allows the dumping social, the economical redundancy, more and more misery and more and more concentration of money. | ||
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SoSexy
Italy3725 Posts
There is a great indicator of how useless EU is: the fact that they cannot even close the Strasbourg offices which cost nearly 150 million euros each year. Votes were collected to close it in 2007 but guess what? Donìt touch the technocrats. | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
On June 24 2016 19:48 Gorsameth wrote: The twitter is about Scotland wanting another referendum for independence so they can leave Britain and rejoin the EU. so yes the twitter and the picture match. A large part of the reason that Scotland voted to remain with Britain last time was their EU membership. Yeah sorry I should have made myself clearer, meant 'a different view of the referendum results' They clearly want to remain in EU | ||
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Linear
60 Posts
On June 24 2016 19:46 DickMcFanny wrote: Nah, it's just not worth it. I could show you immigration statistics of second and third generation Turks in Germany, I could give you polls after polls after polls showing that Muslims consider Islam above state laws, I could point to a thousand anecdotes of refugees in refugee camps trying to force Islamic bullshit on Christian refugees, I could point at the state of secularism in pretty much every single Muslim majority country. You can just call me racist and in your mind you have won the argument. Outside of the USA, Muslim integration has never worked. Then please do, if there's so many polls and statistics is shouldn't take you long to dig them up. | ||
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DickMcFanny
Ireland1076 Posts
On June 24 2016 20:00 Pik wrote: I always hear that, yet nobody can explain to me why? For me the EU is the greatest political achievement of the last 100 years. Because there's still this dormant, antiquated notion that people want democracy and the EU is the exact opposite of democracy. For the average voter, they might as well live in Saudi Arabia or North Korea as far as political disenfranchisement is concerned. | ||
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