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The Germans seem like the culture type to take a hit just to make a point.
That's just a dumb statement with pretty much no basis in reality. Or do you, by chance, have sources where that happened?
Two tier status might still be on the cards which is what most of Britain always wanted. We'll see what France and Germany do.
Not sure if Brits realize, but there's a couple more countries that have a say in this. There won't be a two tier status. Because that actually would be political suicide. There's literally zero chance for that.
If the German and French government believes they need to stop the anti EU sentiment dead in its tracks. They could take a harsh line with the UK, even if it hurts their own economy. That leaving the EU will cost the nation that does it. Or they could just try to work it out. I could see it going either way.
The EU will undoubtedly take a harsh line with the UK. Again. The UK will be a competitor soon. There's no outcome where it wouldn't hurt the german, french or general EU economy. That's just in the nature of things if one country leaves a single market.
There's also nothing really to work out. The UK will lose access to the single market as it stands. It in fact has to, since it doesn't need to obey the regulations for european countries that have access. So clearly, to make up for this, they'll have to pay a price. You stated that germany out of spitefulness, "because they seem like that culture", will try and screw with the UK. Which is simply plain wrong. And no, they can't just "obey the rules and then get access back", since they don't contribute to the EU in general anymore - of which the single market is a benefit.
Now, it could happen that the EU "evolves" into just a single market now (i'd like that), slowly. But that's decades down the line, and until then the UK still wouldn't get access without big concessions/simply payments. I don't really understand why people are outraged or blame other countries but their own for that.
split pretty evenly
Only as long as you don't look at a map and who voted what.
I got lambasted in the other thread that the EU member countries would evoke trade wars with UK if they left, but that seems to be the opinion of the posters in this thread - how odd. Tell me how it would be any different in the macro scheme from the UK paying a fee to the EU than paying tariffs (yes, I understand it may have disparate impact on certain industries, but do you have any specific #'s in terms of total outlays). If the EU wants to shoot themselves in the foot over a power-play that's their prerogative, but it seems quite myopic.
Simply put, that if the EU wants to be petty it's not going to be good for anyone, so cheering this result on just sounds very spiteful. It seems people only like democracy when democracy is in tacit approval of only the things they want/like. Same people tend to also deride the selfishness and self-interest of others. :p I am enjoying tonight. I don't deny my own little slice of pettiness lol.
Again there will be no trade war. They will have to negotiate a new FTA. They will not make negotiations easy but that is something else than a trade war with full blown tariffs. The fee you are talking about I assume is the money getting paid in the EU budget? Every country in the EU has to do that.
Anyway interesting times. Never thought they would actually leave.
They might not yet. The Scots and Ireland seem to be "not pumped" about the vote. And its not binding.
England makes up something like 85% of the UK population. Scotland can't hold the whole nation hostage forever.
The Germans seem like the culture type to take a hit just to make a point.
That's just a dumb statement with pretty much no basis in reality. Or do you, by chance, have sources where that happened?
Two tier status might still be on the cards which is what most of Britain always wanted. We'll see what France and Germany do.
Not sure if Brits realize, but there's a couple more countries that have a say in this. There won't be a two tier status. Because that actually would be political suicide. There's literally zero chance for that.
If the German and French government believes they need to stop the anti EU sentiment dead in its tracks. They could take a harsh line with the UK, even if it hurts their own economy. That leaving the EU will cost the nation that does it. Or they could just try to work it out. I could see it going either way.
The EU will undoubtedly take a harsh line with the UK. Again. The UK will be a competitor soon. There's no outcome where it wouldn't hurt the german, french or general EU economy. That's just in the nature of things if one country leaves a single market.
There's also nothing really to work out. The UK will lose access to the single market as it stands. It in fact has to, since it doesn't need to obey the regulations for european countries that have access. So clearly, to make up for this, they'll have to pay a price. You stated that germany out of spitefulness, "because they seem like that culture", will try and screw with the UK. Which is simply plain wrong. And no, they can't just "obey the rules and then get access back", since they don't contribute to the EU in general anymore - of which the single market is a benefit.
Now, it could happen that the EU "evolves" into just a single market now (i'd like that), slowly. But that's decades down the line, and until then the UK still wouldn't get access without big concessions/simply payments. I don't really understand why people are outraged or blame other countries but their own for that.
split pretty evenly
Only as long as you don't look at a map and who voted what.
I got lambasted in the other thread that the EU member countries would evoke trade wars with UK if they left, but that seems to be the opinion of the posters in this thread - how odd. Tell me how it would be any different in the macro scheme from the UK paying a fee to the EU than paying tariffs (yes, I understand it may have disparate impact on certain industries, but do you have any specific #'s in terms of total outlays). If the EU wants to shoot themselves in the foot over a power-play that's their prerogative, but it seems quite myopic.
Simply put, that if the EU wants to be petty it's not going to be good for anyone, so cheering this result on just sounds very spiteful. It seems people only like democracy when democracy is in tacit approval of only the things they want/like. Same people tend to also deride the selfishness and self-interest of others. :p I am enjoying tonight. I don't deny my own little slice of pettiness lol.
Again there will be no trade war. They will have to negotiate a new FTA. They will not make negotiations easy but that is something else than a trade war with full blown tariffs. The fee you are talking about I assume is the money getting paid in the EU budget? Every country in the EU has to do that.
Anyway interesting times. Never thought they would actually leave.
They might not yet. The Scots and Ireland seem to be "not pumped" about the vote. And its not binding.
The Germans seem like the culture type to take a hit just to make a point.
That's just a dumb statement with pretty much no basis in reality. Or do you, by chance, have sources where that happened?
Two tier status might still be on the cards which is what most of Britain always wanted. We'll see what France and Germany do.
Not sure if Brits realize, but there's a couple more countries that have a say in this. There won't be a two tier status. Because that actually would be political suicide. There's literally zero chance for that.
If the German and French government believes they need to stop the anti EU sentiment dead in its tracks. They could take a harsh line with the UK, even if it hurts their own economy. That leaving the EU will cost the nation that does it. Or they could just try to work it out. I could see it going either way.
The EU will undoubtedly take a harsh line with the UK. Again. The UK will be a competitor soon. There's no outcome where it wouldn't hurt the german, french or general EU economy. That's just in the nature of things if one country leaves a single market.
There's also nothing really to work out. The UK will lose access to the single market as it stands. It in fact has to, since it doesn't need to obey the regulations for european countries that have access. So clearly, to make up for this, they'll have to pay a price. You stated that germany out of spitefulness, "because they seem like that culture", will try and screw with the UK. Which is simply plain wrong. And no, they can't just "obey the rules and then get access back", since they don't contribute to the EU in general anymore - of which the single market is a benefit.
Now, it could happen that the EU "evolves" into just a single market now (i'd like that), slowly. But that's decades down the line, and until then the UK still wouldn't get access without big concessions/simply payments. I don't really understand why people are outraged or blame other countries but their own for that.
split pretty evenly
Only as long as you don't look at a map and who voted what.
I got lambasted in the other thread that the EU member countries would evoke trade wars with UK if they left, but that seems to be the opinion of the posters in this thread - how odd. Tell me how it would be any different in the macro scheme from the UK paying a fee to the EU than paying tariffs (yes, I understand it may have disparate impact on certain industries, but do you have any specific #'s in terms of total outlays). If the EU wants to shoot themselves in the foot over a power-play that's their prerogative, but it seems quite myopic.
Simply put, that if the EU wants to be petty it's not going to be good for anyone, so cheering this result on just sounds very spiteful. It seems people only like democracy when democracy is in tacit approval of only the things they want/like. Same people tend to also deride the selfishness and self-interest of others. :p I am enjoying tonight. I don't deny my own little slice of pettiness lol.
Again there will be no trade war. They will have to negotiate a new FTA. They will not make negotiations easy but that is something else than a trade war with full blown tariffs. The fee you are talking about I assume is the money getting paid in the EU budget? Every country in the EU has to do that.
Anyway interesting times. Never thought they would actually leave.
They might not yet. The Scots and Ireland seem to be "not pumped" about the vote. And its not binding.
Brought to a popular vote in a referendum, the people vote the other way, now it's time to ignore that vote. Very EU-like.
The Germans seem like the culture type to take a hit just to make a point.
That's just a dumb statement with pretty much no basis in reality. Or do you, by chance, have sources where that happened?
Two tier status might still be on the cards which is what most of Britain always wanted. We'll see what France and Germany do.
Not sure if Brits realize, but there's a couple more countries that have a say in this. There won't be a two tier status. Because that actually would be political suicide. There's literally zero chance for that.
If the German and French government believes they need to stop the anti EU sentiment dead in its tracks. They could take a harsh line with the UK, even if it hurts their own economy. That leaving the EU will cost the nation that does it. Or they could just try to work it out. I could see it going either way.
The EU will undoubtedly take a harsh line with the UK. Again. The UK will be a competitor soon. There's no outcome where it wouldn't hurt the german, french or general EU economy. That's just in the nature of things if one country leaves a single market.
There's also nothing really to work out. The UK will lose access to the single market as it stands. It in fact has to, since it doesn't need to obey the regulations for european countries that have access. So clearly, to make up for this, they'll have to pay a price. You stated that germany out of spitefulness, "because they seem like that culture", will try and screw with the UK. Which is simply plain wrong. And no, they can't just "obey the rules and then get access back", since they don't contribute to the EU in general anymore - of which the single market is a benefit.
Now, it could happen that the EU "evolves" into just a single market now (i'd like that), slowly. But that's decades down the line, and until then the UK still wouldn't get access without big concessions/simply payments. I don't really understand why people are outraged or blame other countries but their own for that.
split pretty evenly
Only as long as you don't look at a map and who voted what.
I got lambasted in the other thread that the EU member countries would evoke trade wars with UK if they left, but that seems to be the opinion of the posters in this thread - how odd. Tell me how it would be any different in the macro scheme from the UK paying a fee to the EU than paying tariffs (yes, I understand it may have disparate impact on certain industries, but do you have any specific #'s in terms of total outlays). If the EU wants to shoot themselves in the foot over a power-play that's their prerogative, but it seems quite myopic.
Simply put, that if the EU wants to be petty it's not going to be good for anyone, so cheering this result on just sounds very spiteful. It seems people only like democracy when democracy is in tacit approval of only the things they want/like. Same people tend to also deride the selfishness and self-interest of others. :p I am enjoying tonight. I don't deny my own little slice of pettiness lol.
Again there will be no trade war. They will have to negotiate a new FTA. They will not make negotiations easy but that is something else than a trade war with full blown tariffs. The fee you are talking about I assume is the money getting paid in the EU budget? Every country in the EU has to do that.
Anyway interesting times. Never thought they would actually leave.
They might not yet. The Scots and Ireland seem to be "not pumped" about the vote. And its not binding.
England makes up something like 85% of the UK population. Scotland can't hold the whole nation hostage forever.
They could take their 15% and leave? They don't want to leave the EU and they were not super 100% pumped about being part of the UK. The UK just make breaking up that much easier.
The Germans seem like the culture type to take a hit just to make a point.
That's just a dumb statement with pretty much no basis in reality. Or do you, by chance, have sources where that happened?
Two tier status might still be on the cards which is what most of Britain always wanted. We'll see what France and Germany do.
Not sure if Brits realize, but there's a couple more countries that have a say in this. There won't be a two tier status. Because that actually would be political suicide. There's literally zero chance for that.
If the German and French government believes they need to stop the anti EU sentiment dead in its tracks. They could take a harsh line with the UK, even if it hurts their own economy. That leaving the EU will cost the nation that does it. Or they could just try to work it out. I could see it going either way.
The EU will undoubtedly take a harsh line with the UK. Again. The UK will be a competitor soon. There's no outcome where it wouldn't hurt the german, french or general EU economy. That's just in the nature of things if one country leaves a single market.
There's also nothing really to work out. The UK will lose access to the single market as it stands. It in fact has to, since it doesn't need to obey the regulations for european countries that have access. So clearly, to make up for this, they'll have to pay a price. You stated that germany out of spitefulness, "because they seem like that culture", will try and screw with the UK. Which is simply plain wrong. And no, they can't just "obey the rules and then get access back", since they don't contribute to the EU in general anymore - of which the single market is a benefit.
Now, it could happen that the EU "evolves" into just a single market now (i'd like that), slowly. But that's decades down the line, and until then the UK still wouldn't get access without big concessions/simply payments. I don't really understand why people are outraged or blame other countries but their own for that.
split pretty evenly
Only as long as you don't look at a map and who voted what.
I got lambasted in the other thread that the EU member countries would evoke trade wars with UK if they left, but that seems to be the opinion of the posters in this thread - how odd. Tell me how it would be any different in the macro scheme from the UK paying a fee to the EU than paying tariffs (yes, I understand it may have disparate impact on certain industries, but do you have any specific #'s in terms of total outlays). If the EU wants to shoot themselves in the foot over a power-play that's their prerogative, but it seems quite myopic.
Simply put, that if the EU wants to be petty it's not going to be good for anyone, so cheering this result on just sounds very spiteful. It seems people only like democracy when democracy is in tacit approval of only the things they want/like. Same people tend to also deride the selfishness and self-interest of others. :p I am enjoying tonight. I don't deny my own little slice of pettiness lol.
Again there will be no trade war. They will have to negotiate a new FTA. They will not make negotiations easy but that is something else than a trade war with full blown tariffs. The fee you are talking about I assume is the money getting paid in the EU budget? Every country in the EU has to do that.
Anyway interesting times. Never thought they would actually leave.
They might not yet. The Scots and Ireland seem to be "not pumped" about the vote. And its not binding.
Brought to a popular vote in a referendum, the people vote the other way, now it's time to ignore that vote. Very EU-like.
We will see how far that pound drops. Maybe it just keeps going.
The Germans seem like the culture type to take a hit just to make a point.
That's just a dumb statement with pretty much no basis in reality. Or do you, by chance, have sources where that happened?
Two tier status might still be on the cards which is what most of Britain always wanted. We'll see what France and Germany do.
Not sure if Brits realize, but there's a couple more countries that have a say in this. There won't be a two tier status. Because that actually would be political suicide. There's literally zero chance for that.
If the German and French government believes they need to stop the anti EU sentiment dead in its tracks. They could take a harsh line with the UK, even if it hurts their own economy. That leaving the EU will cost the nation that does it. Or they could just try to work it out. I could see it going either way.
The EU will undoubtedly take a harsh line with the UK. Again. The UK will be a competitor soon. There's no outcome where it wouldn't hurt the german, french or general EU economy. That's just in the nature of things if one country leaves a single market.
There's also nothing really to work out. The UK will lose access to the single market as it stands. It in fact has to, since it doesn't need to obey the regulations for european countries that have access. So clearly, to make up for this, they'll have to pay a price. You stated that germany out of spitefulness, "because they seem like that culture", will try and screw with the UK. Which is simply plain wrong. And no, they can't just "obey the rules and then get access back", since they don't contribute to the EU in general anymore - of which the single market is a benefit.
Now, it could happen that the EU "evolves" into just a single market now (i'd like that), slowly. But that's decades down the line, and until then the UK still wouldn't get access without big concessions/simply payments. I don't really understand why people are outraged or blame other countries but their own for that.
split pretty evenly
Only as long as you don't look at a map and who voted what.
I got lambasted in the other thread that the EU member countries would evoke trade wars with UK if they left, but that seems to be the opinion of the posters in this thread - how odd. Tell me how it would be any different in the macro scheme from the UK paying a fee to the EU than paying tariffs (yes, I understand it may have disparate impact on certain industries, but do you have any specific #'s in terms of total outlays). If the EU wants to shoot themselves in the foot over a power-play that's their prerogative, but it seems quite myopic.
Simply put, that if the EU wants to be petty it's not going to be good for anyone, so cheering this result on just sounds very spiteful. It seems people only like democracy when democracy is in tacit approval of only the things they want/like. Same people tend to also deride the selfishness and self-interest of others. :p I am enjoying tonight. I don't deny my own little slice of pettiness lol.
Again there will be no trade war. They will have to negotiate a new FTA. They will not make negotiations easy but that is something else than a trade war with full blown tariffs. The fee you are talking about I assume is the money getting paid in the EU budget? Every country in the EU has to do that.
Anyway interesting times. Never thought they would actually leave.
They might not yet. The Scots and Ireland seem to be "not pumped" about the vote. And its not binding.
England makes up something like 85% of the UK population. Scotland can't hold the whole nation hostage forever.
They could take their 15% and leave? They don't want to leave the EU and they were not super 100% pumped about being part of the UK. The UK just make breaking up that much easier.
The Germans seem like the culture type to take a hit just to make a point.
That's just a dumb statement with pretty much no basis in reality. Or do you, by chance, have sources where that happened?
Two tier status might still be on the cards which is what most of Britain always wanted. We'll see what France and Germany do.
Not sure if Brits realize, but there's a couple more countries that have a say in this. There won't be a two tier status. Because that actually would be political suicide. There's literally zero chance for that.
If the German and French government believes they need to stop the anti EU sentiment dead in its tracks. They could take a harsh line with the UK, even if it hurts their own economy. That leaving the EU will cost the nation that does it. Or they could just try to work it out. I could see it going either way.
The EU will undoubtedly take a harsh line with the UK. Again. The UK will be a competitor soon. There's no outcome where it wouldn't hurt the german, french or general EU economy. That's just in the nature of things if one country leaves a single market.
There's also nothing really to work out. The UK will lose access to the single market as it stands. It in fact has to, since it doesn't need to obey the regulations for european countries that have access. So clearly, to make up for this, they'll have to pay a price. You stated that germany out of spitefulness, "because they seem like that culture", will try and screw with the UK. Which is simply plain wrong. And no, they can't just "obey the rules and then get access back", since they don't contribute to the EU in general anymore - of which the single market is a benefit.
Now, it could happen that the EU "evolves" into just a single market now (i'd like that), slowly. But that's decades down the line, and until then the UK still wouldn't get access without big concessions/simply payments. I don't really understand why people are outraged or blame other countries but their own for that.
split pretty evenly
Only as long as you don't look at a map and who voted what.
I got lambasted in the other thread that the EU member countries would evoke trade wars with UK if they left, but that seems to be the opinion of the posters in this thread - how odd. Tell me how it would be any different in the macro scheme from the UK paying a fee to the EU than paying tariffs (yes, I understand it may have disparate impact on certain industries, but do you have any specific #'s in terms of total outlays). If the EU wants to shoot themselves in the foot over a power-play that's their prerogative, but it seems quite myopic.
Simply put, that if the EU wants to be petty it's not going to be good for anyone, so cheering this result on just sounds very spiteful. It seems people only like democracy when democracy is in tacit approval of only the things they want/like. Same people tend to also deride the selfishness and self-interest of others. :p I am enjoying tonight. I don't deny my own little slice of pettiness lol.
Again there will be no trade war. They will have to negotiate a new FTA. They will not make negotiations easy but that is something else than a trade war with full blown tariffs. The fee you are talking about I assume is the money getting paid in the EU budget? Every country in the EU has to do that.
Anyway interesting times. Never thought they would actually leave.
They might not yet. The Scots and Ireland seem to be "not pumped" about the vote. And its not binding.
Brought to a popular vote in a referendum, the people vote the other way, now it's time to ignore that vote. Very EU-like.
We will see how far that pound drops. Maybe it just keeps going.
Yeah man, lets stop being ruled by London and start being ruled from Brussels. Freeedooom!!!!
Seriously, what great news to wake up to in the morning. Britain finally got some of its balls back.
The Germans seem like the culture type to take a hit just to make a point.
That's just a dumb statement with pretty much no basis in reality. Or do you, by chance, have sources where that happened?
Two tier status might still be on the cards which is what most of Britain always wanted. We'll see what France and Germany do.
Not sure if Brits realize, but there's a couple more countries that have a say in this. There won't be a two tier status. Because that actually would be political suicide. There's literally zero chance for that.
If the German and French government believes they need to stop the anti EU sentiment dead in its tracks. They could take a harsh line with the UK, even if it hurts their own economy. That leaving the EU will cost the nation that does it. Or they could just try to work it out. I could see it going either way.
The EU will undoubtedly take a harsh line with the UK. Again. The UK will be a competitor soon. There's no outcome where it wouldn't hurt the german, french or general EU economy. That's just in the nature of things if one country leaves a single market.
There's also nothing really to work out. The UK will lose access to the single market as it stands. It in fact has to, since it doesn't need to obey the regulations for european countries that have access. So clearly, to make up for this, they'll have to pay a price. You stated that germany out of spitefulness, "because they seem like that culture", will try and screw with the UK. Which is simply plain wrong. And no, they can't just "obey the rules and then get access back", since they don't contribute to the EU in general anymore - of which the single market is a benefit.
Now, it could happen that the EU "evolves" into just a single market now (i'd like that), slowly. But that's decades down the line, and until then the UK still wouldn't get access without big concessions/simply payments. I don't really understand why people are outraged or blame other countries but their own for that.
split pretty evenly
Only as long as you don't look at a map and who voted what.
I got lambasted in the other thread that the EU member countries would evoke trade wars with UK if they left, but that seems to be the opinion of the posters in this thread - how odd. Tell me how it would be any different in the macro scheme from the UK paying a fee to the EU than paying tariffs (yes, I understand it may have disparate impact on certain industries, but do you have any specific #'s in terms of total outlays). If the EU wants to shoot themselves in the foot over a power-play that's their prerogative, but it seems quite myopic.
Simply put, that if the EU wants to be petty it's not going to be good for anyone, so cheering this result on just sounds very spiteful. It seems people only like democracy when democracy is in tacit approval of only the things they want/like. Same people tend to also deride the selfishness and self-interest of others. :p I am enjoying tonight. I don't deny my own little slice of pettiness lol.
Again there will be no trade war. They will have to negotiate a new FTA. They will not make negotiations easy but that is something else than a trade war with full blown tariffs. The fee you are talking about I assume is the money getting paid in the EU budget? Every country in the EU has to do that.
Anyway interesting times. Never thought they would actually leave.
They might not yet. The Scots and Ireland seem to be "not pumped" about the vote. And its not binding.
They should. Don't hold a referendum if you're not going to listen to it.
On June 24 2016 13:51 dAPhREAk wrote: why does scotland and ireland want to stay, but england doesnt?
Because "the germans". Or in other words, they're roughly 70 years behind reality.
edit: apparently Sinn Fein already called for a referendum for the reunification of Ireland. Can't really find a source though, apparently the irish times was quoted.
Simply put, that if the EU wants to be petty it's not going to be good for anyone, so cheering this result on just sounds very spiteful. It seems people only like democracy when democracy is in tacit approval of only the things they want/like. Same people tend to also deride the selfishness and self-interest of others. :p I am enjoying tonight. I don't deny my own little slice of pettiness lol.
That's what i mean. It's not "the EU being petty". That's just a ridiculously dumb statement to make, and would only work in Lala-Land.
It's simply economics. Economies in the EU will take a slight hit, true. The economy of the UK will take a big hit. One needs the other more than the other way around. That's simply how the world works, and funny enough, your country is pretty much the king at this game. The UK will be in a disadvantageous position (not just in regards to trading with the EU btw, they will have to negotiate their own deals pretty much everywhere, with much less leverage). Ask yourself, what would the US do? Would they exploit the fuck out of whatever country is in a worse situation?
That's how the world works. If you agree with it or not (i don't like it, but what are you gonna do?). That has nothing to do with spitefulness. First and foremost, countries and institutions will serve themselves. Nationalism. Isn't that what Britons wanted in the first place? Actually literally called for it? So how are other countries bad guys if they just do the same?
I personally btw don't really like democracy at any point. The problem is that i can't really think of a better system, admittedly - that doesn't mean that i need to ignore all the bullshit that comes with democracy though.
edit: and lol at the Geert Wilders statement.. How surprising. Oh, and how fitting. A populistic, raging xenophobe calling for something. Sounds familiar.
Trade is important, however, what is more important is the degree to which the country is market-oriented. Given your scenario how do you explain economic power-houses like Hong Kong, Singapore, Taiwan, Luxembourg, etc.? England will be fine, especially if Scotland and NI left. Granted, the NHS is a huge drag, but, for the most part I feel like the English have a good liberal history to fall back on if there were a trade war among them and the EU. You're also forgetting that in your scenario you fail to take into account how large an economy the UK and the common-wealth is. The UK will be fine in regards to the US, Canada, South America, Asia, Australia, etc.
By the way, slapping on penalties on another party because they chose not to politically associate themselves with you, is pretty damn spiteful. Of course, there are the people who say the EU has to to look strong and dis-incentivize other EU member countries from following the same path. I don't think many people have issues with the EU as an economic-pact (I certainly am in favor of free-trade, ease of movement, etc.). The issue is the politicization and power-grab of the EU. People don't want Brussels dictating laws to them, just like people in Tallahassee or Reno or Anchorage or Dallas don't want to be dictated by fiat from unelected bureaucrats in DC. No one opposes free-trade among the 50 states :p (except I suppose when it comes to insurance, but that's a separate topic).
As for the US....well, we had one of the most market-oriented countries in the world for a long time which is how we became wealthy, but of course, there was also South American and Pacific exploitation by the MIC (I mean Dole is one of the worst offenders here...but I digress), but that's while deplorable not really the major contributor of why we are as wealthy as we are (though we have been pissing that away for a while now).
At this point, Cameron has to meet with EU leaders to try and negotiate special status concessions so he can declare victory and vote down the motion to leave the EU in Westminster. If he can do that, and if the pound continues its nosedive, then he may be able to sell his own MPs on the idea that they can survive the next general election after voting to remain in the EU, against the referendum outcome.
However, I think it would be in the EU's best interests to refuse any new concessions to the UK, and let them reap what they've sown. Scotland will demand a new referendum on leaving the UK, which has a greater chance of passing now that there's yet another policy split between England and Scotland. Ultimately, the UK will sink deeper into political and economic instability.
If the EU can delay these new demands for referendums from its own members for a couple of years, all they have to do is point to the UK as an example of how bad things will be if Country X votes to leave. The EU can, and will, survive this.
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