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zeo
Serbia6336 Posts
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Fprime
Canada64 Posts
On June 24 2016 14:06 zeo wrote: Are you for real? England would lose their shit if Cameron pulled something like this. And the UK will still be in the EU for quite some time as the formalities are sorted out. Cameron should resign immediately. I didn't say he would succeed - I said he'd have a fighting chance. Depending on how sweet of a deal he could hypothetically negotiate, he may be able to convince enough of his MPs (who are already against leaving the EU) to vote according to their conscience on this even if it means risking a loss in their next reelection. There is precedent for this in English political history (Churchill, for example). The alternative is that Cameron bows to the populist wave, and watches as the UK inflicts massive damage to itself. This maximizes his chances of retaining his position (a powerful motive to a politician, to be sure), but it also means that he'll have to watch as the UK's influence on the world shrinks lower than it ever has been since England lost the Hundred Years War. Say what you want about the Tories - they hate being weak and powerless. | ||
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4382 Posts
On June 24 2016 14:15 Plansix wrote: Yeah, it's barely a mandate. and the UK will be a small fish in a pond with one big fish. It's a far from perfect win. Just makes shit hard. So lets say Cameron says he won't honour the referendum result. How long do you seriously think he will last with Boris breathing down his neck? Boris is the obvious choice to replace him and he will honour the result. This isn't really up for debate, you're getting so desperate here. | ||
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RvB
Netherlands6263 Posts
On June 24 2016 14:18 zeo wrote: Poor Norway and Switzerland, they can't trade with the EU. You have to hand over your sovereignty to be a successful country Norway has to pay into the EU budget and has to abide by the rules. Switzerland only has access to parts of the single market and most importantly for the UK not to the services part. | ||
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m4ini
4215 Posts
On June 24 2016 14:18 zeo wrote: Poor Norway and Switzerland, they can't trade with the EU. You have to hand over your sovereignty to be a successful country Not sure that you realize, but this "argument" is actually not in favor of your position. Norway has to pay into the EU budget and has to abide by the rules. Switzerland only has access to parts of the single market and most importantly for the UK not to the services part. More importantly, in both trade deals they included the freedom of movement, schengen etc. Literally all the things that the UK didn't want, and in regards to freedom of movement, the single biggest reason for them to leave. It's a really, REALLY idiotic statement to make and shows that some people have zeo idea of what they're talking about. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
BERLIN, June 24 (Reuters) - German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier said on Friday that Britain's vote to leave the European Union marked a sad day for Europe. "The news from Britain is really sobering. It looks like a sad day for Europe and Britain," the German Foreign Ministry quoted Steinmeier as saying on its official Twitter account. Source | ||
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trifecta
United States6795 Posts
On June 24 2016 14:10 plasmidghost wrote: I hope this is good for the UK, keep calm and carry on, as the meme says until the UK becomes just England :D | ||
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Diabolique
Czech Republic5118 Posts
Even becoming England will be great for them ... They will keep the City, London, Big Ben, Thames, Pound, fog, rain ... all what they need :-) | ||
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maartendq
Belgium3115 Posts
On June 24 2016 14:20 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: So lets say Cameron says he won't honour the referendum result. How long do you seriously think he will last with Boris breathing down his neck? Boris is the obvious choice to replace him and he will honour the result. This isn't really up for debate, you're getting so desperate here. A divisive person as Boris Johnson is just about the last person you want to lead a country that has chosen to have to renegotiate a ton of trade deals. In fact I'd say that a PM like Johnson would be a godsend to the EU, since no doubt his abrasive manners would give ammunition to the Germans and French to play hardball, i.e. make sure that any new trade deal will be far worse than the ones the UK has now. The UK might want to look for a less polarising figure as new head of state. The problem is that the current generation of UK politicians seems so incompetent. They're cameleons that change their views to whatever will get them or keep them in power. | ||
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AngryMag
Germany1040 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
There is a long history other counties leaving the The UK when it does silly shit. | ||
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zeo
Serbia6336 Posts
On June 24 2016 14:20 RvB wrote: Norway has to pay into the EU budget and has to abide by the rules. Switzerland only has access to parts of the single market and most importantly for the UK not to the services part. Having control over your own country and government is more important than paying a tax to trade with the EU. The UK can now trade with the whole World. And more importantly its free. | ||
KwarK
United States43545 Posts
On June 24 2016 14:18 zeo wrote: Poor Norway and Switzerland, they can't trade with the EU. You have to hand over your sovereignty to be a successful country They are subject to the regulations but not involved in the making of them. Not really what the leave voters had in mind when they voted to leave. | ||
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Deleted User 26513
2376 Posts
Goodbye. BTW, If I'm from Scotland and I voted to remain in the UK, now I'd be REAAALY pissed. Basically England and Wales decided that the UK should leave  | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On June 24 2016 14:26 KwarK wrote: They are subject to the regulations but not involved in the making of them. Not really what the leave voters had in mind when they voted to leave. I think someone fought a war about a similar issue. | ||
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m4ini
4215 Posts
On June 24 2016 14:26 zeo wrote: Having control over your own country and government is more important than paying a tax to trade with the EU. The UK can now trade with the whole World. And more importantly its free. Except it's not. | ||
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Fprime
Canada64 Posts
On June 24 2016 14:15 showstealer1829 wrote: Scotland won't get another referendum. Westminster will block it under the Edinburgh agreement I read it. It contains thirty point outlining the scope of the referendum, timing rules, and campaign financing rules. I didn't see anything in it which prevented a new referendum in the future. | ||
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Falling
Canada11411 Posts
On June 24 2016 14:18 RvB wrote: Should have thought of that before the referendum. I.E. you need a 60% majority to let it pass like with constitutional changes where you often need 66% or even 75%. You cannot do that afterwards. Was it really just a simple majority they were looking for? I guess if Cameron wanted to not immediately go with the Referendum and instead wanted to give Remain another go, he could call an election and make it THE election issue that he and his party was going to stand or die on. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On June 24 2016 14:28 Fprime wrote: I read it. It contains thirty point outlining the scope of the referendum, timing rules, and campaign financing rules. I didn't see anything in it which prevented a new referendum in the future. Realistically, even if it happens, it will probably take a few years to get to that point. Now is not a good time to have yet another referendum. | ||
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KwarK
United States43545 Posts
On June 24 2016 14:28 Falling wrote: Was it really just a simple majority they were looking for? I guess if Cameron wanted to not immediately go with the Referendum and instead wanted to give Remain another go, he could call an election and make it THE election issue that he and his party was going to stand or die on. The Conservatives are the anti-European party (of the two Westminster English parties). They'd be campaigning on leave. | ||
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