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On May 03 2013 01:49 Thieving Magpie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2013 01:45 discomatt wrote:On May 03 2013 01:39 Thieving Magpie wrote:
By controlling female sexuality we maintain the masculine sexual dominance of female ownership. There's a reason we say "rape and pillage" when we talk about war because we equate rape with the act of domination--specifically with masculine domination. "Rape and pillage" is a literal term. It's not uncommon for the civilian population to be tortured/slain/raped after being defeated. Yes... as I said... we equate rape with domination... we kill off the men and have our way with the civilians... ie, domination... There's a reason we call it rape and not really unfortunate sex accident.
Men were/are raped too. It's not male domination over women, it's domination, pure and simple. The term rape and pillage has nothing to do with sexism. It's pure dominance of one group over another.
The general issue here is harassment. Making this purely about female persecution is like putting a cure for breast cancer above one for prostate cancer.
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On May 03 2013 01:55 Ropid wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2013 01:45 discomatt wrote:On May 03 2013 01:39 Thieving Magpie wrote:
By controlling female sexuality we maintain the masculine sexual dominance of female ownership. There's a reason we say "rape and pillage" when we talk about war because we equate rape with the act of domination--specifically with masculine domination. "Rape and pillage" is a literal term. It's not uncommon for the civilian population to be tortured/slain/raped after being defeated. That's "rape" with a different, old meaning, I'm pretty sure. It meant something like plunder, seize with force.
O no, that's pillage. Rape is still rape in there.
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On May 03 2013 01:57 discomatt wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2013 01:49 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 03 2013 01:45 discomatt wrote:On May 03 2013 01:39 Thieving Magpie wrote:
By controlling female sexuality we maintain the masculine sexual dominance of female ownership. There's a reason we say "rape and pillage" when we talk about war because we equate rape with the act of domination--specifically with masculine domination. "Rape and pillage" is a literal term. It's not uncommon for the civilian population to be tortured/slain/raped after being defeated. Yes... as I said... we equate rape with domination... we kill off the men and have our way with the civilians... ie, domination... There's a reason we call it rape and not really unfortunate sex accident. Men were/are raped too. It's not male domination over women, it's domination, pure and simple. The term rape and pillage has nothing to do with sexism. It's pure dominance of one group over another. The general issue here is harassment. Making this purely about female persecution is like putting a cure for breast cancer above one for prostate cancer.
"Rape and Pillage" as a phrase has a long history, and guess what? That history includes an overwhelming majority of men raping and pillaging.
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On May 03 2013 01:57 discomatt wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2013 01:49 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 03 2013 01:45 discomatt wrote:On May 03 2013 01:39 Thieving Magpie wrote:
By controlling female sexuality we maintain the masculine sexual dominance of female ownership. There's a reason we say "rape and pillage" when we talk about war because we equate rape with the act of domination--specifically with masculine domination. "Rape and pillage" is a literal term. It's not uncommon for the civilian population to be tortured/slain/raped after being defeated. Yes... as I said... we equate rape with domination... we kill off the men and have our way with the civilians... ie, domination... There's a reason we call it rape and not really unfortunate sex accident. Men were/are raped too. It's not male domination over women, it's domination, pure and simple. The term rape and pillage has nothing to do with sexism. It's pure dominance of one group over another. The general issue here is harassment. Making this purely about female persecution is like putting a cure for breast cancer above one for prostate cancer.
Yes, men also rape men... to show dominance... because its about treating the male civilians just like the female civilians, as a dominated people...
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women should be left to evolve by themselves for a while. we, the patriarchal rulers (as it stands?), should just give them all the opportunities that they need to achieve that goal. then, after they figured out what they need, what they want, what they are good at, a way can/should be found for us to combine the patriarchal and the matriarchal ways of being without nerfing one side or the other.
yes, i do believe women need to evolve more at first. for eons they were put down and kept down by males. that has to have affected their evolution somehow. the feminist ideology can't fix that over the span of few decades and one can't just assume that if they end up doing what males are doing now everything would be fine.
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On May 03 2013 01:49 Thieving Magpie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2013 01:45 discomatt wrote:On May 03 2013 01:39 Thieving Magpie wrote:
By controlling female sexuality we maintain the masculine sexual dominance of female ownership. There's a reason we say "rape and pillage" when we talk about war because we equate rape with the act of domination--specifically with masculine domination. "Rape and pillage" is a literal term. It's not uncommon for the civilian population to be tortured/slain/raped after being defeated. Yes... as I said... we equate rape with domination... we kill off the men and have our way with the civilians... ie, domination... There's a reason we call it rape and not really unfortunate sex accident.
That is because that is the definition of rape. Rape is forcing sex onto someone. Not an accident. And domination is obviously a large part of that, because you need to be in a dominant position to do that. And the way our bodies work makes it a lot easier for a man to rape someone than for a woman.
I am not quite sure what your point is.
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I find that most of her content is really dull and boring, and that fact shows by the amount of views she gets on her videos. So, that makes me think she is just using this article to shine light on her products. Using victim hood to bolster oneself to new heights is deplorable. It mocks the real issues of people actually getting harassed in everyday life.
I mean come on! Those comments are tame in comparison to some of the male streamers, such as inControl, get in terms of hate and sexism. The comments on the article can easily be looked at by anyone and written off as some lonely loser trying to get attention. Who takes comments like those seriously?
Does anyone actually think that people will read the article and say "huh, I guess it's time to change the way I talk online". No, it doesn't change anything. There are better articles out there that do a far better job to aware the public on these concerns, and even those articles aren't going to do anything. People are assholes because they're assholes... It has nothing to do with anonymity, and you nor I can change that fact.
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On May 03 2013 02:02 xM(Z wrote:
women should be left to evolve by themselves for a while. we, the patriarchal rulers (as it stands?), should just give them all the opportunities that they need to achieve that goal. then, after they figured out what they need, what they want, what they are good at, a way can/should be found for us to combine the patriarchal and the matriarchal ways of being without nerfing one side or the other.
yes, i do believe women need to evolve more at first. for eons they were put down and kept down by males. that has to have affected their evolution somehow. the feminist ideology can't fix that over the span of few decades and one can't just assume that if they end up doing what males are doing now everything would be fine.
Evolutionary pressure makes for poor social policy. It simply takes far too long.
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On May 03 2013 02:02 xM(Z wrote:
women should be left to evolve by themselves for a while. we, the patriarchal rulers (as it stands?), should just give them all the opportunities that they need to achieve that goal. then, after they figured out what they need, what they want, what they are good at, a way can/should be found for us to combine the patriarchal and the matriarchal ways of being without nerfing one side or the other.
yes, i do believe women need to evolve more at first. for eons they were put down and kept down by males. that has to have affected their evolution somehow. the feminist ideology can't fix that over the span of few decades and one can't just assume that if they end up doing what males are doing now everything would be fine.
I don't think you understand what evolution is.
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I think it's interesting to note that the comments (both those provided in the article and the common ones most of us have probably witnessed) are all very, low-order - kind of apeish and drenched in a particularly childish/angsty immaturity.
Are people who communicate in such a manner really worth talking about / acknowledging?
I feel that in itself (in part) conflicts with the idea that it's any sort of legitimate attack on gender.
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On May 03 2013 02:05 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2013 02:02 xM(Z wrote:
women should be left to evolve by themselves for a while. we, the patriarchal rulers (as it stands?), should just give them all the opportunities that they need to achieve that goal. then, after they figured out what they need, what they want, what they are good at, a way can/should be found for us to combine the patriarchal and the matriarchal ways of being without nerfing one side or the other.
yes, i do believe women need to evolve more at first. for eons they were put down and kept down by males. that has to have affected their evolution somehow. the feminist ideology can't fix that over the span of few decades and one can't just assume that if they end up doing what males are doing now everything would be fine. I don't think you understand what evolution is.
Didn't you know? Women can evolve. Black women evolve into Jinx.
But seriously is anyone else slightly disturbed by the realization that Jinx looks like a blow-up doll in blackface?
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On May 03 2013 02:03 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2013 01:49 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 03 2013 01:45 discomatt wrote:On May 03 2013 01:39 Thieving Magpie wrote:
By controlling female sexuality we maintain the masculine sexual dominance of female ownership. There's a reason we say "rape and pillage" when we talk about war because we equate rape with the act of domination--specifically with masculine domination. "Rape and pillage" is a literal term. It's not uncommon for the civilian population to be tortured/slain/raped after being defeated. Yes... as I said... we equate rape with domination... we kill off the men and have our way with the civilians... ie, domination... There's a reason we call it rape and not really unfortunate sex accident. That is because that is the definition of rape. Rape is forcing sex onto someone. Not an accident. And domination is obviously a large part of that, because you need to be in a dominant position to do that. And the way our bodies work makes it a lot easier for a man to rape someone than for a woman. I am not quite sure what your point is.
Because you didn't read what I wrote I will quote myself.
we equate rape with the act of domination
Discomatt then implied "rape and pillage" is a throwaway phrase only relevant in war. Which is why I said "equate" as in to compare to things and see them as similar.
He was responding to my post wherein I was talking about the misogynistic tendencies of american culture to use the term fuck to mean domination--ie rape. As in an event either fucks us over or we fuck over something we dominate. Because we use that rape/fuck mindset in everyday affairs we also project that onto other people--ie rape culture. Where we dominate the feminine with the masculine.
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On May 03 2013 02:08 Jormundr wrote:
Didn't you know? Women can evolve. Black women evolve into Jinx.
But seriously is anyone else slightly disturbed by the realization that Jinx looks like a blow-up doll in blackface?
IRL Jinx:
http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=Yamanba&FORM=HDRSC2
*Shudder*
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On May 03 2013 01:50 Grumbels wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2013 01:36 Jojo131 wrote:
If you're a girl with a YouTube channel, you'll get shat on.
If you're a fat person with a YouTube channel, you'll get shat on.
If you're a black/asian/Pakistani/etc guy with a YouTube channel, you'll get shat on.
If you're a gay guy with a YouTube channel, you'll get shat on.
If you're just a regular guy with a YouTube channel, you'll STILL get shat on.
What I hate about this article is that it's suggesting that the world/internet needs to make some special exception for women because "sexism on the internet" is somehow worse or requires more action compared to all the other reasons someone could be shitting on you over the internet like racism, fat intolerance, homophobia etc.
Nobody gives a shit when people rip on Boogie2988 for being overweight, or for ZJemptv's sexual identity, so why do people care when it comes to people ripping on girl123 for being a girl?
The internet is literally the one place where "comments" made against you probably shouldn't be taken seriously. Most of the time people already know this, then other times... articles like this. " when the gender of an online username looks female, they are 25 times more likely to experience harassment"
The average man is 50 times more likely to become a chess GM than the average woman. That doesn't mean women are inherently worse at chess than men. Correlation doesn't imply causation. That statement just by itself doesn't actually say anything because it simply might be that there are much less female looking usernames than male looking usernames around. It could be because men are using the internet more frequently and the average man, when faced with a decision, rather tries to make contact with a woman than with a man which would be entirely natural.
As a man who dances Salsa and Bachatta it's quite common to have multiple women "objectifying me" by reducing me to what I physically present to them because there's so much fewer men than women even at events. That doesn't make those women bad people or me a slut.
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Just goes to show that Japan can sell literally anything =/
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On May 03 2013 02:09 Thieving Magpie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2013 02:03 Simberto wrote:On May 03 2013 01:49 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 03 2013 01:45 discomatt wrote:On May 03 2013 01:39 Thieving Magpie wrote:
By controlling female sexuality we maintain the masculine sexual dominance of female ownership. There's a reason we say "rape and pillage" when we talk about war because we equate rape with the act of domination--specifically with masculine domination. "Rape and pillage" is a literal term. It's not uncommon for the civilian population to be tortured/slain/raped after being defeated. Yes... as I said... we equate rape with domination... we kill off the men and have our way with the civilians... ie, domination... There's a reason we call it rape and not really unfortunate sex accident. That is because that is the definition of rape. Rape is forcing sex onto someone. Not an accident. And domination is obviously a large part of that, because you need to be in a dominant position to do that. And the way our bodies work makes it a lot easier for a man to rape someone than for a woman. I am not quite sure what your point is. Because you didn't read what I wrote I will quote myself. Discomatt then implied "rape and pillage" is a throwaway phrase only relevant in war. Which is why I said "equate" as in to compare to things and see them as similar. He was responding to my post wherein I was talking about the misogynistic tendencies of american culture to use the term fuck to mean domination--ie rape. As in an event either fucks us over or we fuck over something we dominate. Because we use that rape/fuck mindset in everyday affairs we also project that onto other people--ie rape culture. Where we dominate the feminine with the masculine.
I read what you wrote. You are just not making a lot of obvious sense to me. I still don't quite get your point. We equate rape with domination. Yes. That is because domination is a large part of rape. What are you getting at with this? You are stating this like it is some kind of grand discovery. Is your point that fucking/raping something is used as an allegory for domination, which means...something?
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On May 03 2013 02:04 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2013 02:02 xM(Z wrote:
women should be left to evolve by themselves for a while. we, the patriarchal rulers (as it stands?), should just give them all the opportunities that they need to achieve that goal. then, after they figured out what they need, what they want, what they are good at, a way can/should be found for us to combine the patriarchal and the matriarchal ways of being without nerfing one side or the other.
yes, i do believe women need to evolve more at first. for eons they were put down and kept down by males. that has to have affected their evolution somehow. the feminist ideology can't fix that over the span of few decades and one can't just assume that if they end up doing what males are doing now everything would be fine. Evolutionary pressure makes for poor social policy. It simply takes far too long.
yes, i know that. it is a downside indeed :p
still i think having women evolution driven by patriarchal pressure is worse. for everyone.
@KwarK , yes i know what it is but i also believe in a collective unconsciousness of some sorts that, in this case, would be applied to (and perpetuated) by all females.
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On May 03 2013 02:16 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2013 02:09 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 03 2013 02:03 Simberto wrote:On May 03 2013 01:49 Thieving Magpie wrote:On May 03 2013 01:45 discomatt wrote:On May 03 2013 01:39 Thieving Magpie wrote:
By controlling female sexuality we maintain the masculine sexual dominance of female ownership. There's a reason we say "rape and pillage" when we talk about war because we equate rape with the act of domination--specifically with masculine domination. "Rape and pillage" is a literal term. It's not uncommon for the civilian population to be tortured/slain/raped after being defeated. Yes... as I said... we equate rape with domination... we kill off the men and have our way with the civilians... ie, domination... There's a reason we call it rape and not really unfortunate sex accident. That is because that is the definition of rape. Rape is forcing sex onto someone. Not an accident. And domination is obviously a large part of that, because you need to be in a dominant position to do that. And the way our bodies work makes it a lot easier for a man to rape someone than for a woman. I am not quite sure what your point is. Because you didn't read what I wrote I will quote myself. we equate rape with the act of domination Discomatt then implied "rape and pillage" is a throwaway phrase only relevant in war. Which is why I said "equate" as in to compare to things and see them as similar. He was responding to my post wherein I was talking about the misogynistic tendencies of american culture to use the term fuck to mean domination--ie rape. As in an event either fucks us over or we fuck over something we dominate. Because we use that rape/fuck mindset in everyday affairs we also project that onto other people--ie rape culture. Where we dominate the feminine with the masculine. I read what you wrote. You are just not making a lot of obvious sense to me. I still don't quite get your point. We equate rape with domination. Yes. That is because domination is a large part of rape. What are you getting at with this? You are stating this like it is some kind of grand discovery. Is your point that fucking/raping something is used as an allegory for domination, which means...something?
I'm saying misogyny is about domination--not about how much/little clothes a woman wears or how sexual she is.
I'm saying things aren't sexist *because* people who stream are showing their boobs I'm saying it's sexist when women are told how to look and act and defined by how much they fit that standard. I'm saying that misogyny is the domination of the female identity. I'm saying rape, is the domination of the female. I'm saying that terms like "tits or gtfo" is about the domination of the female and phrases like "good job on not being slutty" is the domination of the female.
When we set the parameters for how a person should or shouldn't act--we are being misogynists.
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This makes me sad but this also happens to both men and women. I read articles that even politicians, men and woman have to dress a certain way and it could be a difference between losing and winning. Pretty sad when you could be campaigning for something meaningful and the only thing people will vote for you for is how good you look in your clothes.
I think what guys forget is that women (from a girls point of view) can be a lot more sensitive to online harassment then dudes are. I have been sexually harassed over the internet many times and some of it can be brushed off but sometimes it really does cross a line. I been fortunate enough to play games where if someone is incredibility offensive i can ask a GM to ban that person (with proof). I don't mind guys being guys but some stuff should really not be tolerated or ignored.
I think both men and woman need to understand that even on the internet we are still human. Things can effect us just as much as real life if it hits a nerve. It's sad that on Youtube and other places its, kinda like monkey-see-monkey-do. They see people saying nasty things and they think that's what people do. It's an endless cycle of bullshit. I think the best way to stop this is for everyone to wake up and try not to be total dicks over the internet.
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