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On February 06 2013 10:34 archonOOid wrote:
What is happening today? There is a sense from every point of view that the world is going in the wrong direction. The economy, the environment and in the political sphere. I think it started in the year 2000 with the y2k bug followed by 9/11 and from there on out it's all going downhill.
You're getting older. It's what people have been experiencing for centuries at least.
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On February 06 2013 10:34 archonOOid wrote:
What is happening today? There is a sense from every point of view that the world is going in the wrong direction. The economy, the environment and in the political sphere. I think it started in the year 2000 with the y2k bug followed by 9/11 and from there on out it's all going downhill.
Doomsayers have been around since ancient times; the internet and the television just made them louder and a bit more organized.
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I was not alive in those times, but the rise of communism, the spread of fascism, and the crackdown on student movements seemed like a much more exciting and scary time.
Right now, the most I have to tell my kids is 9/11 and the Arab Spring.
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MARIJUANA is NOT DANGEROUS. Pot is NOT harmful to the human body or mind. Marijuana does NOT pose a threat to the general public. Marijuana is very much a danger to the oil companies, alcohol, tobacco industries and a large number of chemical corporations. Various big businesses, with plenty of dollars and influence, have suppressed the truth from the people. The truth is if marijuana was utilized for its vast array of commercial products, it would create an industrial atomic bomb! Entrepreneurs have not been educated on the product potential of pot. The super rich have conspired to spread misinformation about an extremely versatile plant that, if used properly, would ruin their companies.
Where did the word 'marijuana' come from? In the mid 1930s, the M-word was created to tarnish the good image and phenomenal history of the hemp plant...as you will read. The facts cited here, with references, are generally verifiable in the Encyclopedia Britannica which was printed on hemp paper for 150 years:
All schoolbooks were made from hemp or flax paper until the 1880s; Hemp Paper Reconsidered, Jack Frazier, 1974. It was LEGAL TO PAY TAXES WITH HEMP in America from 1631 until the early 1800s; LA Times, Aug. 12, 1981. REFUSING TO GROW HEMP in America during the 17th and 18th Centuries WAS AGAINST THE LAW! You could be jailed in Virginia for refusing to grow hemp from 1763 to 1769; Hemp in Colonial Virginia, G. M. Herdon.
George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and other founding fathers GREW HEMP; Washington and Jefferson Diaries. Jefferson smuggled hemp seeds from China to France then to America. Benjamin Franklin owned one of the first paper mills in America and it processed hemp. Also, the War of 1812 was fought over hemp. Emperor Wears No Clothes, Jack Herer. For thousands of years, 90% all ships' sails and rope were made from hemp. The word 'canvas' is Dutch for cannabis; Webster's New World Dictionary.
I'm a sophomore in high school. I can easily name off 10 of my friends that have had their lives completely ruined or are heading down that path, from smoking weed. They carhop at night during the week stealing so they can afford to drop 50 bucks to be high all weekend. Two of my friends in that group have committed suicide in the past 2 years.
Weed effects people in different ways, but saying it has "ZERO" negative effect on the body or mind(literally proven not true) and is "NOT DANGEROUS" is simply fucking retarded.
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On February 06 2013 10:46 sLideSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +MARIJUANA is NOT DANGEROUS. Pot is NOT harmful to the human body or mind. Marijuana does NOT pose a threat to the general public. Marijuana is very much a danger to the oil companies, alcohol, tobacco industries and a large number of chemical corporations. Various big businesses, with plenty of dollars and influence, have suppressed the truth from the people. The truth is if marijuana was utilized for its vast array of commercial products, it would create an industrial atomic bomb! Entrepreneurs have not been educated on the product potential of pot. The super rich have conspired to spread misinformation about an extremely versatile plant that, if used properly, would ruin their companies.
Where did the word 'marijuana' come from? In the mid 1930s, the M-word was created to tarnish the good image and phenomenal history of the hemp plant...as you will read. The facts cited here, with references, are generally verifiable in the Encyclopedia Britannica which was printed on hemp paper for 150 years:
All schoolbooks were made from hemp or flax paper until the 1880s; Hemp Paper Reconsidered, Jack Frazier, 1974. It was LEGAL TO PAY TAXES WITH HEMP in America from 1631 until the early 1800s; LA Times, Aug. 12, 1981. REFUSING TO GROW HEMP in America during the 17th and 18th Centuries WAS AGAINST THE LAW! You could be jailed in Virginia for refusing to grow hemp from 1763 to 1769; Hemp in Colonial Virginia, G. M. Herdon.
George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and other founding fathers GREW HEMP; Washington and Jefferson Diaries. Jefferson smuggled hemp seeds from China to France then to America. Benjamin Franklin owned one of the first paper mills in America and it processed hemp. Also, the War of 1812 was fought over hemp. Emperor Wears No Clothes, Jack Herer. For thousands of years, 90% all ships' sails and rope were made from hemp. The word 'canvas' is Dutch for cannabis; Webster's New World Dictionary. I'm a sophomore in high school. I can easily name off 10 of my friends that have had their lives completely ruined or are heading down that path, from smoking weed.
1) LOL 2) being young and smoking weed "completely ruins your life?" If only they had a few more decades of living to "salvage" their existences. Darn.
What else can you expect from the general forum? Flamebait OP, paranoid posters, and a bunch of know-it-alls. And the cherry on top, a complete derailment into whatever the hell you potheads and anti-drug schmucks are bickering about.
And sophomore in high school? Sounds about right.
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On February 06 2013 10:50 MountainDewJunkie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 10:46 sLideSC2 wrote:MARIJUANA is NOT DANGEROUS. Pot is NOT harmful to the human body or mind. Marijuana does NOT pose a threat to the general public. Marijuana is very much a danger to the oil companies, alcohol, tobacco industries and a large number of chemical corporations. Various big businesses, with plenty of dollars and influence, have suppressed the truth from the people. The truth is if marijuana was utilized for its vast array of commercial products, it would create an industrial atomic bomb! Entrepreneurs have not been educated on the product potential of pot. The super rich have conspired to spread misinformation about an extremely versatile plant that, if used properly, would ruin their companies.
Where did the word 'marijuana' come from? In the mid 1930s, the M-word was created to tarnish the good image and phenomenal history of the hemp plant...as you will read. The facts cited here, with references, are generally verifiable in the Encyclopedia Britannica which was printed on hemp paper for 150 years:
All schoolbooks were made from hemp or flax paper until the 1880s; Hemp Paper Reconsidered, Jack Frazier, 1974. It was LEGAL TO PAY TAXES WITH HEMP in America from 1631 until the early 1800s; LA Times, Aug. 12, 1981. REFUSING TO GROW HEMP in America during the 17th and 18th Centuries WAS AGAINST THE LAW! You could be jailed in Virginia for refusing to grow hemp from 1763 to 1769; Hemp in Colonial Virginia, G. M. Herdon.
George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and other founding fathers GREW HEMP; Washington and Jefferson Diaries. Jefferson smuggled hemp seeds from China to France then to America. Benjamin Franklin owned one of the first paper mills in America and it processed hemp. Also, the War of 1812 was fought over hemp. Emperor Wears No Clothes, Jack Herer. For thousands of years, 90% all ships' sails and rope were made from hemp. The word 'canvas' is Dutch for cannabis; Webster's New World Dictionary. I'm a sophomore in high school. I can easily name off 10 of my friends that have had their lives completely ruined or are heading down that path, from smoking weed. 1) LOL 2) being young and smoking weed "completely ruins your life?" If only they had a few more decades of living to "salvage" their existences. Darn. What else can you expect from the general forum? Flamebait OP, paranoid posters, and a bunch of know-it-alls. And the cherry on top, a complete derailment into whatever the hell you potheads and anti-drug schmucks are bickering about. And sophomore in high school? Sounds about right.
You forget that like every single hobby, smoking weed costs money, albeit it tends to cost a lot of money to get high with the frequency a lot of people I see do. This can be said of smoking and drinking as well, I have seen plenty of kids steal/shoplift/etcetera to fund their habits.
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On February 06 2013 10:31 aksfjh wrote:
Let me know when they come for ANY group... They already came for the whistleblowers.
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On February 06 2013 10:46 sLideSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +MARIJUANA is NOT DANGEROUS. Pot is NOT harmful to the human body or mind. Marijuana does NOT pose a threat to the general public. Marijuana is very much a danger to the oil companies, alcohol, tobacco industries and a large number of chemical corporations. Various big businesses, with plenty of dollars and influence, have suppressed the truth from the people. The truth is if marijuana was utilized for its vast array of commercial products, it would create an industrial atomic bomb! Entrepreneurs have not been educated on the product potential of pot. The super rich have conspired to spread misinformation about an extremely versatile plant that, if used properly, would ruin their companies.
Where did the word 'marijuana' come from? In the mid 1930s, the M-word was created to tarnish the good image and phenomenal history of the hemp plant...as you will read. The facts cited here, with references, are generally verifiable in the Encyclopedia Britannica which was printed on hemp paper for 150 years:
All schoolbooks were made from hemp or flax paper until the 1880s; Hemp Paper Reconsidered, Jack Frazier, 1974. It was LEGAL TO PAY TAXES WITH HEMP in America from 1631 until the early 1800s; LA Times, Aug. 12, 1981. REFUSING TO GROW HEMP in America during the 17th and 18th Centuries WAS AGAINST THE LAW! You could be jailed in Virginia for refusing to grow hemp from 1763 to 1769; Hemp in Colonial Virginia, G. M. Herdon.
George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and other founding fathers GREW HEMP; Washington and Jefferson Diaries. Jefferson smuggled hemp seeds from China to France then to America. Benjamin Franklin owned one of the first paper mills in America and it processed hemp. Also, the War of 1812 was fought over hemp. Emperor Wears No Clothes, Jack Herer. For thousands of years, 90% all ships' sails and rope were made from hemp. The word 'canvas' is Dutch for cannabis; Webster's New World Dictionary. I'm a sophomore in high school. I can easily name off 10 of my friends that have had their lives completely ruined or are heading down that path, from smoking weed. They carhop at night during the week stealing so they can afford to drop 50 bucks to be high all weekend. Two of my friends in that group have committed suicide in the past 2 years. Weed effects people in different ways, but saying it has "ZERO" negative effect on the body or mind(literally proven not true) and is "NOT DANGEROUS" is simply fucking retarded.
That's not weed's fault, though. I smoked a lot of weed and I already have both an engineering and a chemistry degree at 22 years old. I'm also gainfully employed, own my own car, and invest into a retirement fund on a regular basis.
Weed isn't even addictive. I went from smoking it daily for two years to quitting cold turkey and the worst thing that happened was that I had trouble falling asleep for a few days.
To speak on the main topic, I don't think the US will become a totalitarian state unless something crazy happens like a prolonged global energy crisis, pandemic, or really big war. I am curious how the whole "terrorist" thing will pan out. The government could pretty easily start labeling dissenters as terrorists.
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On February 06 2013 11:03 SnipedSoul wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 10:46 sLideSC2 wrote:MARIJUANA is NOT DANGEROUS. Pot is NOT harmful to the human body or mind. Marijuana does NOT pose a threat to the general public. Marijuana is very much a danger to the oil companies, alcohol, tobacco industries and a large number of chemical corporations. Various big businesses, with plenty of dollars and influence, have suppressed the truth from the people. The truth is if marijuana was utilized for its vast array of commercial products, it would create an industrial atomic bomb! Entrepreneurs have not been educated on the product potential of pot. The super rich have conspired to spread misinformation about an extremely versatile plant that, if used properly, would ruin their companies.
Where did the word 'marijuana' come from? In the mid 1930s, the M-word was created to tarnish the good image and phenomenal history of the hemp plant...as you will read. The facts cited here, with references, are generally verifiable in the Encyclopedia Britannica which was printed on hemp paper for 150 years:
All schoolbooks were made from hemp or flax paper until the 1880s; Hemp Paper Reconsidered, Jack Frazier, 1974. It was LEGAL TO PAY TAXES WITH HEMP in America from 1631 until the early 1800s; LA Times, Aug. 12, 1981. REFUSING TO GROW HEMP in America during the 17th and 18th Centuries WAS AGAINST THE LAW! You could be jailed in Virginia for refusing to grow hemp from 1763 to 1769; Hemp in Colonial Virginia, G. M. Herdon.
George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and other founding fathers GREW HEMP; Washington and Jefferson Diaries. Jefferson smuggled hemp seeds from China to France then to America. Benjamin Franklin owned one of the first paper mills in America and it processed hemp. Also, the War of 1812 was fought over hemp. Emperor Wears No Clothes, Jack Herer. For thousands of years, 90% all ships' sails and rope were made from hemp. The word 'canvas' is Dutch for cannabis; Webster's New World Dictionary. I'm a sophomore in high school. I can easily name off 10 of my friends that have had their lives completely ruined or are heading down that path, from smoking weed. They carhop at night during the week stealing so they can afford to drop 50 bucks to be high all weekend. Two of my friends in that group have committed suicide in the past 2 years. Weed effects people in different ways, but saying it has "ZERO" negative effect on the body or mind(literally proven not true) and is "NOT DANGEROUS" is simply fucking retarded. That's not weed's fault, though. I smoked a lot of weed and I already have both an engineering and a chemistry degree at 22 years old. I'm also gainfully employed, own my own car, and invest into a retirement fund on a regular basis. Weed isn't even addictive. I went from smoking it daily for two years to quitting cold turkey and the worst thing that happened was that I had trouble falling asleep for a few days.
Can we cut the anecdotal off topic Pro/Anti drug posts?
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On February 06 2013 10:58 spinnaker wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 10:31 aksfjh wrote:
Let me know when they come for ANY group... They already came for the whistleblowers.
http://www.corporatecrimereporter.com/news/200/erikakeltonsec02042013/
“They are eager to investigate these cases. And they have done a fantastic job of developing an openness and culture within the SEC and CFTC enforcement staff that is whistleblower friendly.”
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On February 06 2013 11:07 Slaughter wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 11:03 SnipedSoul wrote:On February 06 2013 10:46 sLideSC2 wrote:MARIJUANA is NOT DANGEROUS. Pot is NOT harmful to the human body or mind. Marijuana does NOT pose a threat to the general public. Marijuana is very much a danger to the oil companies, alcohol, tobacco industries and a large number of chemical corporations. Various big businesses, with plenty of dollars and influence, have suppressed the truth from the people. The truth is if marijuana was utilized for its vast array of commercial products, it would create an industrial atomic bomb! Entrepreneurs have not been educated on the product potential of pot. The super rich have conspired to spread misinformation about an extremely versatile plant that, if used properly, would ruin their companies.
Where did the word 'marijuana' come from? In the mid 1930s, the M-word was created to tarnish the good image and phenomenal history of the hemp plant...as you will read. The facts cited here, with references, are generally verifiable in the Encyclopedia Britannica which was printed on hemp paper for 150 years:
All schoolbooks were made from hemp or flax paper until the 1880s; Hemp Paper Reconsidered, Jack Frazier, 1974. It was LEGAL TO PAY TAXES WITH HEMP in America from 1631 until the early 1800s; LA Times, Aug. 12, 1981. REFUSING TO GROW HEMP in America during the 17th and 18th Centuries WAS AGAINST THE LAW! You could be jailed in Virginia for refusing to grow hemp from 1763 to 1769; Hemp in Colonial Virginia, G. M. Herdon.
George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and other founding fathers GREW HEMP; Washington and Jefferson Diaries. Jefferson smuggled hemp seeds from China to France then to America. Benjamin Franklin owned one of the first paper mills in America and it processed hemp. Also, the War of 1812 was fought over hemp. Emperor Wears No Clothes, Jack Herer. For thousands of years, 90% all ships' sails and rope were made from hemp. The word 'canvas' is Dutch for cannabis; Webster's New World Dictionary. I'm a sophomore in high school. I can easily name off 10 of my friends that have had their lives completely ruined or are heading down that path, from smoking weed. They carhop at night during the week stealing so they can afford to drop 50 bucks to be high all weekend. Two of my friends in that group have committed suicide in the past 2 years. Weed effects people in different ways, but saying it has "ZERO" negative effect on the body or mind(literally proven not true) and is "NOT DANGEROUS" is simply fucking retarded. That's not weed's fault, though. I smoked a lot of weed and I already have both an engineering and a chemistry degree at 22 years old. I'm also gainfully employed, own my own car, and invest into a retirement fund on a regular basis. Weed isn't even addictive. I went from smoking it daily for two years to quitting cold turkey and the worst thing that happened was that I had trouble falling asleep for a few days. Can we cut the anecdotal off topic Pro/Anti drug posts?
Seems to me that drug laws are the only "totalitarian" government policy that anyone cares about.
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The moment that the US military can perform operations on home soil I may listen to shit like the OP, but for now I think that the Patriot Act is the only major concern you brought up, and pretty much everyone knows that is a bullshit piece of legislation. Read a newspaper and see how fucked up things are basically everywhere else in the world before you start thinking that the US is turning into a totalitarian state, and give some respect to the generations of people that have worked to move us away from that hell.
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On February 06 2013 10:38 aksfjh wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 10:34 archonOOid wrote:
What is happening today? There is a sense from every point of view that the world is going in the wrong direction. The economy, the environment and in the political sphere. I think it started in the year 2000 with the y2k bug followed by 9/11 and from there on out it's all going downhill. You're getting older. It's what people have been experiencing for centuries at least.
Actually I think it is more than that. It is not only is the doomprophets getting more exposure due to the internet. It is a general disconnect between people and government.
The more the government opens up, the more their dirty laundry will be seen by the public! Transparency is showing so much of the previously hidden dirt that it is making people very dissatisfied. When politicians see this, they are in a catch-22: If they keep increasing transparency they will expose a lot more dirt, if they retract the transparency they are angering people like no tomorrow, but if they keep it as it is they are forced to change the way they do politics.
The way they have tried to handle it initially has to a large extend been to try and stick to the old strategy by over-classifying dirt to keep it from the public, going furiously against whistleblowers and using "newspeak" arguments, like "protect our children from terrorism!" to push the patriot act and "protect our economy by protecting our property" and "Don't worry we have the permission to do this!" to push ACTA. It is a problem of our time that protection against terrorism and neo-protectionism in "trade agreements" has been taken to a new level that will put severe pressure on freedom of speech (through wrongful claims whether DMCA or other systems), the right to face the accuser (Kim Dotcom and to some extend Julian Assange) and basic legal rights (Aaron Schwartz, getting drilled by secret service and Bradley Manning getting treated like any Guantanamo Bay prisoner in violation of civil rights). It is a new issue that we will have to deal with and it will get better to some extend when things are worked into routines and the dirt has been "dealt with".
USA is not close to turning into totalitarianism. It is merely opening up for more public oversight in how they do business and that is backfiring at the moment since the way to deal with transparency is through reason, more openness and removal of some of the "dead weight".
Edit: The white paper thread here has a very detailed walkthrough describing some related issues concerning exactly facing the accuser and basic legal rights.
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On February 06 2013 11:03 SnipedSoul wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 10:46 sLideSC2 wrote:MARIJUANA is NOT DANGEROUS. Pot is NOT harmful to the human body or mind. Marijuana does NOT pose a threat to the general public. Marijuana is very much a danger to the oil companies, alcohol, tobacco industries and a large number of chemical corporations. Various big businesses, with plenty of dollars and influence, have suppressed the truth from the people. The truth is if marijuana was utilized for its vast array of commercial products, it would create an industrial atomic bomb! Entrepreneurs have not been educated on the product potential of pot. The super rich have conspired to spread misinformation about an extremely versatile plant that, if used properly, would ruin their companies.
Where did the word 'marijuana' come from? In the mid 1930s, the M-word was created to tarnish the good image and phenomenal history of the hemp plant...as you will read. The facts cited here, with references, are generally verifiable in the Encyclopedia Britannica which was printed on hemp paper for 150 years:
All schoolbooks were made from hemp or flax paper until the 1880s; Hemp Paper Reconsidered, Jack Frazier, 1974. It was LEGAL TO PAY TAXES WITH HEMP in America from 1631 until the early 1800s; LA Times, Aug. 12, 1981. REFUSING TO GROW HEMP in America during the 17th and 18th Centuries WAS AGAINST THE LAW! You could be jailed in Virginia for refusing to grow hemp from 1763 to 1769; Hemp in Colonial Virginia, G. M. Herdon.
George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and other founding fathers GREW HEMP; Washington and Jefferson Diaries. Jefferson smuggled hemp seeds from China to France then to America. Benjamin Franklin owned one of the first paper mills in America and it processed hemp. Also, the War of 1812 was fought over hemp. Emperor Wears No Clothes, Jack Herer. For thousands of years, 90% all ships' sails and rope were made from hemp. The word 'canvas' is Dutch for cannabis; Webster's New World Dictionary. I'm a sophomore in high school. I can easily name off 10 of my friends that have had their lives completely ruined or are heading down that path, from smoking weed. They carhop at night during the week stealing so they can afford to drop 50 bucks to be high all weekend. Two of my friends in that group have committed suicide in the past 2 years. Weed effects people in different ways, but saying it has "ZERO" negative effect on the body or mind(literally proven not true) and is "NOT DANGEROUS" is simply fucking retarded. That's not weed's fault, though. I smoked a lot of weed and I already have both an engineering and a chemistry degree at 22 years old. I'm also gainfully employed, own my own car, and invest into a retirement fund on a regular basis. Weed isn't even addictive. I went from smoking it daily for two years to quitting cold turkey and the worst thing that happened was that I had trouble falling asleep for a few days. To speak on the main topic, I don't think the US will become a totalitarian state unless something crazy happens like a prolonged global energy crisis, pandemic, or really big war. I am curious how the whole "terrorist" thing will pan out. The government could pretty easily start labeling dissenters as terrorists.
as i said, it effects different people in different ways.
On February 06 2013 10:50 MountainDewJunkie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 10:46 sLideSC2 wrote:MARIJUANA is NOT DANGEROUS. Pot is NOT harmful to the human body or mind. Marijuana does NOT pose a threat to the general public. Marijuana is very much a danger to the oil companies, alcohol, tobacco industries and a large number of chemical corporations. Various big businesses, with plenty of dollars and influence, have suppressed the truth from the people. The truth is if marijuana was utilized for its vast array of commercial products, it would create an industrial atomic bomb! Entrepreneurs have not been educated on the product potential of pot. The super rich have conspired to spread misinformation about an extremely versatile plant that, if used properly, would ruin their companies.
Where did the word 'marijuana' come from? In the mid 1930s, the M-word was created to tarnish the good image and phenomenal history of the hemp plant...as you will read. The facts cited here, with references, are generally verifiable in the Encyclopedia Britannica which was printed on hemp paper for 150 years:
All schoolbooks were made from hemp or flax paper until the 1880s; Hemp Paper Reconsidered, Jack Frazier, 1974. It was LEGAL TO PAY TAXES WITH HEMP in America from 1631 until the early 1800s; LA Times, Aug. 12, 1981. REFUSING TO GROW HEMP in America during the 17th and 18th Centuries WAS AGAINST THE LAW! You could be jailed in Virginia for refusing to grow hemp from 1763 to 1769; Hemp in Colonial Virginia, G. M. Herdon.
George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and other founding fathers GREW HEMP; Washington and Jefferson Diaries. Jefferson smuggled hemp seeds from China to France then to America. Benjamin Franklin owned one of the first paper mills in America and it processed hemp. Also, the War of 1812 was fought over hemp. Emperor Wears No Clothes, Jack Herer. For thousands of years, 90% all ships' sails and rope were made from hemp. The word 'canvas' is Dutch for cannabis; Webster's New World Dictionary. I'm a sophomore in high school. I can easily name off 10 of my friends that have had their lives completely ruined or are heading down that path, from smoking weed. 1) LOL 2) being young and smoking weed "completely ruins your life?" If only they had a few more decades of living to "salvage" their existences. Darn. What else can you expect from the general forum? Flamebait OP, paranoid posters, and a bunch of know-it-alls. And the cherry on top, a complete derailment into whatever the hell you potheads and anti-drug schmucks are bickering about. And sophomore in high school? Sounds about right.
I'm not talking about kids that casually smoke and party on weekends. I'm talking about kids who are in and out of rehab, probabtion, some with multiple DUI's on their permanent record, and a felon. I would call that ruining your life.
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@aksfjh:
What about Thomas Andrews Drake, Jesselyn Radack, William Binney and Bradley Manning? What about Mordechai Vanunu? They all faced terrible consequences for blowing the whistle and telling the truth.
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I don't think you guys understand how libertarian Americans really are. Just take a look at the nations reaction involving the recent discussion on gun control. The only way for government to become totalitarian would be for the citizens to become so dumb, that they would have no idea that an internal change in government was occurring.
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On February 06 2013 13:15 TheToaster wrote:
I don't think you guys understand how libertarian Americans really are. Just take a look at the nations reaction involving the recent discussion on gun control. The only way for government to become totalitarian would be for the citizens to become so dumb, that they would have no idea that an internal change in government was occurring.
And yet the majority of Americans who post on these forums are vehemently anti-libertarian. Don't try to explain it away by appealing to age or some other internet demographics. The reality is your assessment is wrong, and the polling data refutes it as well. Libertarians are a small minority of Americans, as evidenced by the last 100 years of policy and election results.
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Well, it was, I guess an interesting read, for better or worse. I do have one problem though... You are dangerously misleading people when you carelessly claim this:
MARIJUANA is NOT DANGEROUS. Pot is NOT harmful to the human body or mind.
It may be argued that THC, one of the psychoactive components in weed/marijuana, is by itself nontoxic. Moreover, it may even be argued that it may possess anti-cancerous properties; i.e., exposure of THC to tumorigenic cell populations induces cell death in an in vitro setting.
However, that being said, it remains a stark fact that multiple lines of evidence suggest the obvious: that the smoke produced by combustion of the plant itself produces carcinogens -- just as the smoke of other burning plants such as tobacco produce carcinogens. Therefore, it stands to reason that inhalation of marijuana smoke may potentially initiate cancer in some cases.
Evaluation of the DNA damaging potential of cannabis cigarette smoke by the determination of acetaldehyde derived N2-ethyl-2'-deoxyguanosine adducts.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19449825
Acetaldehyde is an ubiquitous genotoxic compound that has been classified as a possible carcinogen to humans. It can react with DNA to form primarily a Schiff base [...] In conclusion, these results provide evidence for the DNA damaging potential of cannabis smoke, implying that the consumption of cannabis cigarettes may be detrimental to human health with the possibility to initiate cancer development.
A comparison of mainstream and sidestream marijuana and tobacco cigarette smoke produced under two machine smoking conditions.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18062674
In this study, a systematic comparison of the smoke composition of both mainstream and sidestream smoke from marijuana and tobacco cigarettes prepared in the same way and consumed under two sets of smoking conditions, was undertaken. This study examined the suite of chemicals routinely analyzed in tobacco smoke. As expected, the results showed qualitative similarities with some quantitative differences. [...] Hydrogen cyanide, NO, NO x , and some aromatic amines were found in marijuana smoke at concentrations 3-5 times those found in tobacco smoke. Mainstream marijuana smoke contained selected polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs) at concentrations lower than those found in mainstream tobacco smoke, while the reverse was the case for sidestream smoke, with PAHs present at higher concentrations in marijuana smoke. The confirmation of the presence, in both mainstream and sidestream smoke of marijuana cigarettes, of known carcinogens and other chemicals implicated in respiratory diseases is important information for public health and communication of the risk related to exposure to such materials.
Chronic toxicology of cannabis.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19586351
As societies reconsider the legal status of cannabis, policy makers and clinicians require sound knowledge of the acute and chronic effects of cannabis. This review focuses on the latter. [...] Cannabis has been linked to cancers at eight sites, including children after in utero maternal exposure, and multiple molecular pathways to oncogenesis exist. Chronic cannabis use is associated with psychiatric, respiratory, cardiovascular, and bone effects. It also has oncogenic, teratogenic, and mutagenic effects all of which depend upon dose and duration of use.
In conclusion I'm not randomly butting in to say marijuana/weed is bad, and that it causes cancer, for sure, if you smoke it once. I'm coming in because I was bothered by the blaring and misinformed "POT ISNT BAD FOR YOU" message near the bottom of your post. It's really misleading to not feed people the full story. On the one hand, THC and cannabinoids may serve as therapeutic agents in the presence of tumorigenic cells. On the other hand, the smoke produced by marijuana is undeniably marked by the presence of many carcinogens, similar to those found in other smoke produced from burned material such as tobacco.
If you're going to spout all that stuff at the end like you did, at least make an effort to include that it's *probably* not too bad, so long as it's vaporized or consumed without smoke exposure.
Cheerio, and apologies if I spent too much time on this side tangent.
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