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kmillz
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1548 Posts
January 25 2013 00:42 GMT
#241
I had to vote no for the right to life at any cost only because "any" could be too big of a number. I disagree with the concept of death panels, but you have to draw the line somewhere. We have a degree of responsibility to take care of others, but that doesn't mean we need to spend whatever it takes to do it.
solsken
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden182 Posts
January 25 2013 03:29 GMT
#242
The question is so general, and I believe most people <25 years of age are thinking "AIN'T NOBODY GONNA PAY FO THAT" and are thinking about 90 year olds hanging on. Is there a "cost roof" for your treatment when you find out you have HIV at the age of 25? Is there one if a 40 year old mother of two finds out she got cancer? Do we say "Sorry but the medicines/treatment are way to expensive for you to live"?
kmillz
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1548 Posts
January 25 2013 03:33 GMT
#243
On January 25 2013 12:29 solsken wrote:
The question is so general, and I believe most people <25 years of age are thinking "AIN'T NOBODY GONNA PAY FO THAT" and are thinking about 90 year olds hanging on. Is there a "cost roof" for your treatment when you find out you have HIV at the age of 25? Is there one if a 40 year old mother of two finds out she got cancer? Do we say "Sorry but the medicines/treatment are way to expensive for you to live"?


If they are a 9,999,9999,999,999,999$ is that too much money? I understand that is a ridiculous exaggeration, but my point is you kind of have to draw a line somewhere because we only have finite resources for the world.
Ra.Xor.2
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1784 Posts
January 25 2013 03:34 GMT
#244
Bring smoking back into fashion. That'll solve the problem.
#1 Flash Fan
kmillz
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1548 Posts
January 25 2013 03:36 GMT
#245
On January 25 2013 12:34 Ra.Xor.2 wrote:
Bring smoking back into fashion. That'll solve the problem.


Except for all of the new people that need treatment for lung cancer and emphysema...that will be expensive.
Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-25 03:44:23
January 25 2013 03:44 GMT
#246
On January 25 2013 12:36 kmillz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2013 12:34 Ra.Xor.2 wrote:
Bring smoking back into fashion. That'll solve the problem.


Except for all of the new people that need treatment for lung cancer and emphysema...that will be expensive.

The funny thing is, if poor health choices can be proven to cost taxpayers money later, the government will have a right to ban people from making poor choices in the first place. e.g. they'd have a right to ban people from eating fatty foods, not exercising, smoking, drinking, etc.
Что?
Gesamtkunstwerk
Profile Joined December 2011
134 Posts
January 25 2013 03:54 GMT
#247
This is such a dark pessimistic materialistic view of the world.
The problem is not that there is not enough for everyone, the problem is that we put more value on things that on life.
Death is the means to travel to the stars!
locke42
Profile Joined January 2013
3 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-25 03:59:15
January 25 2013 03:56 GMT
#248
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solsken
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden182 Posts
January 25 2013 03:59 GMT
#249
On January 25 2013 12:33 kmillz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2013 12:29 solsken wrote:
The question is so general, and I believe most people <25 years of age are thinking "AIN'T NOBODY GONNA PAY FO THAT" and are thinking about 90 year olds hanging on. Is there a "cost roof" for your treatment when you find out you have HIV at the age of 25? Is there one if a 40 year old mother of two finds out she got cancer? Do we say "Sorry but the medicines/treatment are way to expensive for you to live"?


If they are a 9,999,9999,999,999,999$ is that too much money? I understand that is a ridiculous exaggeration, but my point is you kind of have to draw a line somewhere because we only have finite resources for the world.


Is one persons life worth all the currency and resources in the world you mean? Most realistic people would say no, but where do you draw a line? The true question should then be how much is a life worth?
locke42
Profile Joined January 2013
3 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-25 04:01:50
January 25 2013 04:01 GMT
#250
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solsken
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden182 Posts
January 25 2013 04:04 GMT
#251
On January 25 2013 13:01 locke42 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2013 12:59 solsken wrote:
On January 25 2013 12:33 kmillz wrote:
On January 25 2013 12:29 solsken wrote:
The question is so general, and I believe most people <25 years of age are thinking "AIN'T NOBODY GONNA PAY FO THAT" and are thinking about 90 year olds hanging on. Is there a "cost roof" for your treatment when you find out you have HIV at the age of 25? Is there one if a 40 year old mother of two finds out she got cancer? Do we say "Sorry but the medicines/treatment are way to expensive for you to live"?


If they are a 9,999,9999,999,999,999$ is that too much money? I understand that is a ridiculous exaggeration, but my point is you kind of have to draw a line somewhere because we only have finite resources for the world.


Is one persons life worth all the currency and resources in the world you mean? Most realistic people would say no, but where do you draw a line? The true question should then be how much is a life worth?

No, the real question is "if people in Africa who are starving could be saved for $500, do we have a right to keep some octagenarian American alive for another month for $1,000,000."

The cost of a life is the cheapest life that can be saved. That's how to view it.


So the cheapest fixes gets priority? People with advanced rare costly diseases are out of luck then?
locke42
Profile Joined January 2013
3 Posts
January 25 2013 04:05 GMT
#252
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kmillz
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1548 Posts
January 25 2013 04:22 GMT
#253
On January 25 2013 13:04 solsken wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2013 13:01 locke42 wrote:
On January 25 2013 12:59 solsken wrote:
On January 25 2013 12:33 kmillz wrote:
On January 25 2013 12:29 solsken wrote:
The question is so general, and I believe most people <25 years of age are thinking "AIN'T NOBODY GONNA PAY FO THAT" and are thinking about 90 year olds hanging on. Is there a "cost roof" for your treatment when you find out you have HIV at the age of 25? Is there one if a 40 year old mother of two finds out she got cancer? Do we say "Sorry but the medicines/treatment are way to expensive for you to live"?


If they are a 9,999,9999,999,999,999$ is that too much money? I understand that is a ridiculous exaggeration, but my point is you kind of have to draw a line somewhere because we only have finite resources for the world.


Is one persons life worth all the currency and resources in the world you mean? Most realistic people would say no, but where do you draw a line? The true question should then be how much is a life worth?

No, the real question is "if people in Africa who are starving could be saved for $500, do we have a right to keep some octagenarian American alive for another month for $1,000,000."

The cost of a life is the cheapest life that can be saved. That's how to view it.


So the cheapest fixes gets priority? People with advanced rare costly diseases are out of luck then?


Life is unfair :[ survival of the richest.
SamsungStar
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States912 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-25 04:49:10
January 25 2013 04:49 GMT
#254
On January 25 2013 09:41 Spiffeh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2013 06:05 SamsungStar wrote:
On January 25 2013 06:02 Veldril wrote:
On January 25 2013 05:52 CountChocula wrote:
On January 25 2013 05:38 grush57 wrote:
On January 25 2013 05:37 Vandrad wrote:
On January 24 2013 13:38 Tenshix wrote:
Next step: Japan develops immortality to prevent their entire population from dying off.

Sounds funny. But we are actually heading this way.

lol yea because immortality is possible

Have you seen singularityhub.com? Ray Kurzweil and his followers believe being able to upload a scan of your brain into a computer will be achieved in our lifetime and people will achieve immortality, so theoretically it's possible.


It is still not immortality because if someone pull the plug out of the computers or erase the data or the computer goes broken, then they still die.


........except you can upload your consciousness, copy it into nearly infinite amounts of clones, and spread all of them out to a vast array of servers and processor units. You can even transmit random beam pulses of information containing all the data of your personality into random directions in the universe so that one instance of your existence is hurtling at light speed through the void of space. You may not be 100% guaranteed immortal, but it would mean you have a vastly greater life expectancy and level of redundancy than a flesh body.


That's stretching it. I wouldn't call that immortality.

Although, I guess an author can be immortal through the books they write, but I wouldn't classify that as immortality either. I would call that a "personal legacy" or something to that effect.

My definition of immortality, and I'm guessing many other people's definitions, is prolonging the lifespan of the original vessel to ceaselessness.


It's immortality because the information can then be used to reconstruct you. Your information includes the quantum states and locations of every atom/sub-atomic particle in your body, so that literally a perfect replica of you can be created. Why would it matter if the original vessel continues if you can multiple perfect copies of the original complete with all your thoughts/feelings etc.
Voltaire
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1485 Posts
January 25 2013 04:53 GMT
#255
We're now spending more taxpayer money per person in the world on healthcare, and we still have a completely broken system that bankrupts people that get sick! Also, people still die in front of emergency rooms every year because they are refused entry!

Thanks Obamacare! Thanks Obama!

As long as people believe in absurdities they will continue to commit atrocities.
Vessel
Profile Joined June 2010
United States214 Posts
January 25 2013 04:56 GMT
#256
all of us nice young people saying we dont wanna live past a certain age or a certain point might be singing a very different tune when that time actually comes. all species are hardwired to survive
Zaqwert
Profile Joined June 2008
United States411 Posts
January 25 2013 05:48 GMT
#257
I think a lot of people are missing the point.

Nobody is advocating actively KILLING old people or anything.

What they are advocating is society not being forced to pay ridiculous costs to keep them alive.

If you're 95 and need $100,000 worth of care to get you to 96, the government saying no is not "killing" you. If you have the money yourself and wanna spend it, then feel free.
Arcadia92
Profile Joined October 2012
135 Posts
January 25 2013 06:00 GMT
#258
On January 25 2013 13:49 SamsungStar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2013 09:41 Spiffeh wrote:
On January 25 2013 06:05 SamsungStar wrote:
On January 25 2013 06:02 Veldril wrote:
On January 25 2013 05:52 CountChocula wrote:
On January 25 2013 05:38 grush57 wrote:
On January 25 2013 05:37 Vandrad wrote:
On January 24 2013 13:38 Tenshix wrote:
Next step: Japan develops immortality to prevent their entire population from dying off.

Sounds funny. But we are actually heading this way.

lol yea because immortality is possible

Have you seen singularityhub.com? Ray Kurzweil and his followers believe being able to upload a scan of your brain into a computer will be achieved in our lifetime and people will achieve immortality, so theoretically it's possible.


It is still not immortality because if someone pull the plug out of the computers or erase the data or the computer goes broken, then they still die.


........except you can upload your consciousness, copy it into nearly infinite amounts of clones, and spread all of them out to a vast array of servers and processor units. You can even transmit random beam pulses of information containing all the data of your personality into random directions in the universe so that one instance of your existence is hurtling at light speed through the void of space. You may not be 100% guaranteed immortal, but it would mean you have a vastly greater life expectancy and level of redundancy than a flesh body.


That's stretching it. I wouldn't call that immortality.

Although, I guess an author can be immortal through the books they write, but I wouldn't classify that as immortality either. I would call that a "personal legacy" or something to that effect.

My definition of immortality, and I'm guessing many other people's definitions, is prolonging the lifespan of the original vessel to ceaselessness.


It's immortality because the information can then be used to reconstruct you. Your information includes the quantum states and locations of every atom/sub-atomic particle in your body, so that literally a perfect replica of you can be created. Why would it matter if the original vessel continues if you can multiple perfect copies of the original complete with all your thoughts/feelings etc.


Because the original you would no longer be conscious. Am I missing something here?
NightOfTheDead
Profile Joined August 2009
Lithuania1711 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-25 06:46:42
January 25 2013 06:45 GMT
#259
On January 25 2013 12:44 Shady Sands wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2013 12:36 kmillz wrote:
On January 25 2013 12:34 Ra.Xor.2 wrote:
Bring smoking back into fashion. That'll solve the problem.


Except for all of the new people that need treatment for lung cancer and emphysema...that will be expensive.

The funny thing is, if poor health choices can be proven to cost taxpayers money later, the government will have a right to ban people from making poor choices in the first place. e.g. they'd have a right to ban people from eating fatty foods, not exercising, smoking, drinking, etc.


Or it could simply do nothing about your health, - just hurry up and die, - when you get into such condition, because it was your choice (if it can be proven what was the cause, which is highly unlikely).
Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-25 07:00:59
January 25 2013 07:00 GMT
#260
On January 25 2013 15:45 NightOfTheDead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2013 12:44 Shady Sands wrote:
On January 25 2013 12:36 kmillz wrote:
On January 25 2013 12:34 Ra.Xor.2 wrote:
Bring smoking back into fashion. That'll solve the problem.


Except for all of the new people that need treatment for lung cancer and emphysema...that will be expensive.

The funny thing is, if poor health choices can be proven to cost taxpayers money later, the government will have a right to ban people from making poor choices in the first place. e.g. they'd have a right to ban people from eating fatty foods, not exercising, smoking, drinking, etc.


Or it could simply do nothing about your health, - just hurry up and die, - when you get into such condition, because it was your choice (if it can be proven what was the cause, which is highly unlikely).

Nah, the government wants to keep you alive, working, and paying taxes. All that hinges on you remaining healthy.
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