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paddyz
Ireland628 Posts
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D10
Brazil3409 Posts
Things like this is why we need to abandon countryhood and form a gargantual world government, where all the youngsters in africa and etc... can contribute for the elderly everywhere. | ||
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b3n3tt3
595 Posts
rich countries get 'greedy' because they have the means | ||
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targ
Malaysia445 Posts
On January 25 2013 16:57 D10 wrote: Sure one can choose when to die, but I dont think its right to try to impose your worldview unto others, and to me this qualifies as such. Things like this is why we need to abandon countryhood and form a gargantual world government, where all the youngsters in africa and etc... can contribute for the elderly everywhere. I think it's not so much of imposing one's worldviews on others. If the topic of discussion was euthanasia then I would fully agree with you. This is more of a choice: the government has X amount of tax money, if it spends more on healthcare for the elderly then it has less for education/roads etc. A point of balance has to be found somewhere, what remains is discussion as to where that point should lie. | ||
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JOJOsc2news
3000 Posts
Another aspect of the problem is that the concept of family and social care has changed a lot during the last 100 years. It used to be normal for 3 generations of a family to live together where the young would take care of the old etc. A lot of the social functions a family used to fulfill are now spread among governmental organisations. Here is a blog entry I wrote a few weeks ago about my work. It is very relevant: On January 01 2013 23:32 JOJOsc2news wrote: Stories from work #1 Garden Work 82-year old patient presents himself with pain in the right hip area, spreading to his right thigh and to the sacroiliac joint. Patient tells me he injured himself while working in his garden. When I think I'm done with the medical history, the patient leans forward and whispers "I can tell you, but don't tell the doctor. It wasn't really garden work you know. I made love to my wife and sometimes you injure yourself during love making [smirks]" Patient was 82-years old, 45 years married. I will not forget the glow in his eyes when spoke of his wife and the smirk on his face when he told the doctor about his garden work. Needless to say this made my day. When I left the treatment room I thought "Goddammit - when I'm 82, I wanna be like this guy." This was 3 months ago. Patient has, since then, received medication, physical therapy and intraarticular injections. Patient has no symptoms anymore. Link to the blog | ||
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Bagonad
Denmark173 Posts
Sometimes you sadly have to do something cruel with your own hands, in order to avoid something more cruel done because you did not interfere. | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
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edlover420
349 Posts
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JOJOsc2news
3000 Posts
On January 26 2013 00:39 edlover420 wrote: I died a little bit inside when I read that more than half of teamliquid things that people shouldn't have right to live if it's not financially viable... The right to live is the most fundamental human right. | ||
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NTTemplar
609 Posts
On January 25 2013 15:00 Arcadia92 wrote: Because the original you would no longer be conscious. Am I missing something here? Biology considers immortality as being unable to die from age, and a species of jellyfish alleready has this ability, its mature form can change to its child form and repeat this process infinitely. Other creatures like the lobster also show no decline from aging and many scientists believe them to be immortal as well, only dying from other sources like well, being eaten. Some trees (not animals, but still rather large living things) also seem immortal, some having lived several thousand years. To put it clearly, immortality is considered not dying from age, not being unable to die. | ||
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MoonfireSpam
United Kingdom1153 Posts
On January 24 2013 13:50 Forikorder wrote: for me as long as i can still function on my own (get out of bed get dressed eat e.t.c) even if im living in a home in a wheelchair im fine but if im perma-hospitilized and cant do anything without a nurse thats the end for me Unfortunately once you reach a certain point and are unable to pull the trigger, most places prevent anyone from helping you. So your only way to die is from thirst, hunger or infection. Although the last 48 hours are made better by some good ol heroin, its still a lot of time lying in your own excrement doing fuck all and probably aching a load. Need to hurry up and give people a choice and accept that there isn't the money to deal with infinite life support. I know my hospital would be almost empty if everyone above 80 died. | ||
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ddrddrddrddr
1344 Posts
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KungKras
Sweden484 Posts
If we can make them young again, they can work, and all problems will be solved. | ||
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ddrddrddrddr
1344 Posts
On January 26 2013 02:17 KungKras wrote: This is why more recources needs to go into tissue regeneration and stem cell research. If we can make them young again, they can work, and all problems will be solved. We do have a problem with too many jobs and not enough workers and underpopulation. | ||
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SamsungStar
United States912 Posts
On January 26 2013 02:31 ddrddrddrddr wrote: We do have a problem with too many jobs and not enough workers and underpopulation. Yeah, America def has that problem. We've got jobs coming out the ears and just not enough people to fill them all. | ||
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Severedevil
United States4839 Posts
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Randomaccount#77123
United States5003 Posts
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Sadist
United States7328 Posts
On January 26 2013 02:31 ddrddrddrddr wrote: We do have a problem with too many jobs and not enough workers and underpopulation. I have heard this a lot and I have yet to see a verifiable source. It seems like BS to me. Companies aren't willing to train/mentor people anymore and wages are going down. If there was an abundance of jobs and too few workers wages would be increasing not decreasing unless you had some serious collusion going on. Also, since medical costs keep rising where is the money going? Its not like the issue is non-renewable resources being used. There are obviously people making a disproportionately large profit as costs are increasing. I get that its a bit of a supply/demand issue now that we a large portion of our population reaching old age but it still doesnt make sense why everything is increasing, especially things like doctors office visits and urgent care visits. | ||
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MstrSplntr
Canada43 Posts
And for the association between health spent vs life expectancy, it's a matter of health inequalities and culture in the population rather than having cheaper and better "technology". It's not some really specific heart surgery machine that will change the mean life expectancy of a population, it's eating habits, stress, smoking, etc. | ||
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nihlon
Sweden5581 Posts
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