On November 03 2012 10:40 heliusx wrote: Not even remotely close to katrina all over again. katrina killed thousands of people and levels thousands of homes and buildings.
Bloomberg really needs to go after the disgrace that is Staten Island and to a lesser degree Brooklyn, and his idiotic insistence on holding the Marathon until someone took him aside and pointed out how truly stupid it would be. Message to New Yorkers: if you aren't in Manhattan, you're not important to your Nanny Mayor.
I'm a New Yorker, on Long Island. I live in a town called Ronkonkoma and we traveled to Deer Park and back (In the prime time of the storm, 7:30pm Monday night). It's a 20 minute ride down the Long Island Expressway. Feel free to Google Map it. Just for the sake of adding to the discussion I'll say a couple things, since I experienced it a bit, first-hand.
I was out in the hurricane. I was driving with my girlfriend. The lights were out, entirely, traffic, stores, etc. The first night there was nothing, no cops, or anything. There wasn't that much rain either, actually. It was a lot of wind. A lot. The thing you had to worry about was a tree falling on you.
I saw sparks coming down from telephone poles. Trees lay across the entire street wrapped in live electrical wiring dancing on the street causing sparks on the road and small fires in the shrubbery. People were on the side of the roads with hazards on and flares (just being hazards, themselves).
While I was reversing down the block because of a fallen tree a power line became entangled on my drivers side mirror. I thought I was going to get electrocuted. It was scary. Luckily, I was able to free the cable (not with my hand, but with the motion of the car as I opened my door at the same time, phew -.-; )
Trees are down everywhere and that would seem to be the biggest problem. It's very common to see this now as the lawn for every house: + Show Spoiler +
Seriously, this type of thing is everywhere. Every other piece of property on a block looks like this.
The flooding happened too, but that's basically Lindenhurst and Rockaway Beach, beach areas near the coast. The whole island isn't flooded, but where is was flooded was horrible. There it looks more like: + Show Spoiler +
The houses near the water were virtually ripped apart. It's fairly tragic. The people near Staten Island and NJ got hit really badly. They need help.
I hear the City is bad too, maybe even worse in a different way. Multiple layers of subway tunnels are completely flooded. I have no idea where they will pump all the water to. I mean, i'm sure thay haqve a plan, but I don't know what it is.
I was lucky. I have power and I never lost it. I did lose cable and internet, though, and they are still not back. I cannot play Starcraft 2 right now. Somewhere around 90% of L.I. lost power. Some of my friends have said it could take 2 or 3 weeks for LIPA to restore the power. That's nuts. houses are getting cold and food is spoiling. School's cancelled all week. Next week too, for Election Day. The kids are having a blast.
I guess that's all there is to say, without glorifying anything. I haven't heard a death toll, and I kind of don't want to, though, I'm sure Katrina was much worse in that regard, anyway.
The scary part now is the gasoline shortage. He's a pic from my friend Facebook wall as he sits on a 3 HOUR LINE for gasoline for his car. Not kidding. People are waiting on lines that stretch down the road passed two other closed gas stations to get to the one that still has. + Show Spoiler +
It's all a bit to take in, honestly. Hope this helps and educates. Thanks guys, any questions, I'll try to come back and check for 'em.
On November 03 2012 01:33 Praetorial wrote: Damage=economic gain theory never works.
Although jobs are gained, people who are harmed by the disaster must pay themselves and thus suffer economically.
It's a fallacy, i don't know who would seriously think that if they put 1 min into forming a comment, all it does it make money spent in one area instead of the money being spent somewhere else. But because the reason for it was destruction the overall equity in the area goes down and the econ suffers.
On November 03 2012 12:22 Inertiaddict wrote: I'm a New Yorker, on Long Island. I live in a town called Ronkonkoma and we traveled to Deer Park and back (In the prime time of the storm, 7:30pm Monday night). It's a 20 minute ride down the Long Island Expressway. Feel free to Google Map it. Just for the sake of adding to the discussion I'll say a couple things, since I experienced it a bit, first-hand.
I was out in the hurricane. I was driving with my girlfriend. The lights were out, entirely, traffic, stores, etc. The first night there was nothing, no cops, or anything. There wasn't that much rain either, actually. It was a lot of wind. A lot. The thing you had to worry about was a tree falling on you.
I saw sparks coming down from telephone poles. Trees lay across the entire street wrapped in live electrical wiring dancing on the street causing sparks on the road and small fires in the shrubbery. People were on the side of the roads with hazards on and flares (just being hazards, themselves).
While I was reversing down the block because of a fallen tree a power line became entangled on my drivers side mirror. I thought I was going to get electrocuted. It was scary. Luckily, I was able to free the cable (not with my hand, but with the motion of the car as I opened my door at the same time, phew -.-; )
Trees are down everywhere and that would seem to be the biggest problem. It's very common to see this now as the lawn for every house: Seriously, this type of thing is everywhere. Every other piece of property on a block looks like this.
The flooding happened too, but that's basically Lindenhurst and Rockaway Beach, beach areas near the coast. The whole island isn't flooded, but where is was flooded was horrible. There it looks more like: The houses near the water were virtually ripped apart. It's fairly tragic. The people near Staten Island and NJ got hit really badly. They need help.
I hear the City is bad too, maybe even worse in a different way. Multiple layers of subway tunnels are completely flooded. I have no idea where they will pump all the water to. I mean, i'm sure thay haqve a plan, but I don't know what it is.
I was lucky. I have power and I never lost it. I did lose cable and internet, though, and they are still not back. I cannot play Starcraft 2 right now. Somewhere around 90% of L.I. lost power. Some of my friends have said it could take 2 or 3 weeks for LIPA to restore the power. That's nuts. houses are getting cold and food is spoiling. School's cancelled all week. Next week too, for Election Day. The kids are having a blast.
I guess that's all there is to say, without glorifying anything. I haven't heard a death toll, and I kind of don't want to, though, I'm sure Katrina was much worse in that regard, anyway.
The scary part now is the gasoline shortage. He's a pic from my friend Facebook wall as he sits on a 3 HOUR LINE for gasoline for his car. Not kidding. People are waiting on lines that stretch down the road passed two other closed gas stations to get to the one that still has.
It's all a bit to take in, honestly. Hope this helps and educates. Thanks guys, any questions, I'll try to come back and check for 'em.
Funnily enough, a lot of people will be praying their houses caught fire or had a tree smash their house, if they were caught in a flood zone. Homeowners policies will cover wind damage (including dmg from fallen trees) and fire damage, but excludes flood damage, which you have to buy separately and isn't as commonly purchased (also high deductible, limited coverage, generally run by gov't and less efficient).
On the West Coast you pray for the same thing during an earthquake if you don't have earthquake insurance and your house gets fucked. A funny joke I even heard today was one insurance agent we know who doesn't purchase his own Earthquake insurance has a set of matches with the words "Earthquake Insurance" written on it. House gets fucked in an earthquake? "Oh... the earthquake somehow caused a gas leak, and caused a fire causing my house to burn down completely, thanks for the insurance coverage!"
While a joke, he actually had the matches with that written on it >_<. Haha.
On November 03 2012 07:21 XoXiDe wrote: I wonder if anyone in this thread lives in New Jersey or New York where most of the flooding as occurred, I'd like to hear a first hand account of how the restoration/help efforts are going. Does it seem like you're getting the help you need? Is it good/bad? Though I wonder if anyone in that situation would be checking TL forums right now.
Hey thought I would reply. I live on the New Jersey coast and I have to say the disaster relief crews are actually doing a great job. Barrier Islands are still closed to non-residents, which is a bummer because I wanted to go down and volunteer today, but it seems like the help efforts are going really well all things considered.
On November 03 2012 12:22 Inertiaddict wrote: I'm a New Yorker, on Long Island. I live in a town called Ronkonkoma and we traveled to Deer Park and back (In the prime time of the storm, 7:30pm Monday night). It's a 20 minute ride down the Long Island Expressway. Feel free to Google Map it. Just for the sake of adding to the discussion I'll say a couple things, since I experienced it a bit, first-hand.
I was out in the hurricane. I was driving with my girlfriend. The lights were out, entirely, traffic, stores, etc. The first night there was nothing, no cops, or anything. There wasn't that much rain either, actually. It was a lot of wind. A lot. The thing you had to worry about was a tree falling on you.
I saw sparks coming down from telephone poles. Trees lay across the entire street wrapped in live electrical wiring dancing on the street causing sparks on the road and small fires in the shrubbery. People were on the side of the roads with hazards on and flares (just being hazards, themselves).
While I was reversing down the block because of a fallen tree a power line became entangled on my drivers side mirror. I thought I was going to get electrocuted. It was scary. Luckily, I was able to free the cable (not with my hand, but with the motion of the car as I opened my door at the same time, phew -.-; )
Trees are down everywhere and that would seem to be the biggest problem. It's very common to see this now as the lawn for every house: Seriously, this type of thing is everywhere. Every other piece of property on a block looks like this.
The flooding happened too, but that's basically Lindenhurst and Rockaway Beach, beach areas near the coast. The whole island isn't flooded, but where is was flooded was horrible. There it looks more like: The houses near the water were virtually ripped apart. It's fairly tragic. The people near Staten Island and NJ got hit really badly. They need help.
I hear the City is bad too, maybe even worse in a different way. Multiple layers of subway tunnels are completely flooded. I have no idea where they will pump all the water to. I mean, i'm sure thay haqve a plan, but I don't know what it is.
I was lucky. I have power and I never lost it. I did lose cable and internet, though, and they are still not back. I cannot play Starcraft 2 right now. Somewhere around 90% of L.I. lost power. Some of my friends have said it could take 2 or 3 weeks for LIPA to restore the power. That's nuts. houses are getting cold and food is spoiling. School's cancelled all week. Next week too, for Election Day. The kids are having a blast.
I guess that's all there is to say, without glorifying anything. I haven't heard a death toll, and I kind of don't want to, though, I'm sure Katrina was much worse in that regard, anyway.
The scary part now is the gasoline shortage. He's a pic from my friend Facebook wall as he sits on a 3 HOUR LINE for gasoline for his car. Not kidding. People are waiting on lines that stretch down the road passed two other closed gas stations to get to the one that still has.
It's all a bit to take in, honestly. Hope this helps and educates. Thanks guys, any questions, I'll try to come back and check for 'em.
Funnily enough, a lot of people will be praying their houses caught fire or had a tree smash their house, if they were caught in a flood zone. Homeowners policies will cover wind damage (including dmg from fallen trees) and fire damage, but excludes flood damage, which you have to buy separately and isn't as commonly purchased (also high deductible, limited coverage, generally run by gov't and less efficient).
On the West Coast you pray for the same thing during an earthquake if you don't have earthquake insurance and your house gets fucked. A funny joke I even heard today was one insurance agent we know who doesn't purchase his own Earthquake insurance has a set of matches with the words "Earthquake Insurance" written on it. House gets fucked in an earthquake? "Oh... the earthquake somehow caused a gas leak, and caused a fire causing my house to burn down completely, thanks for the insurance coverage!"
While a joke, he actually had the matches with that written on it >_<. Haha.
SF 1906? earthquake fires were in part caused by people who didn't have earthquake insurance so they set their house on fire hoping to collect off that, hopefully people don't get those kind of ideas. Flood insurance is too risky for avg insurers which is why they normally don't cover it and is often offered as another plan which gets subsided by the government in order to get plans out there.
On November 03 2012 12:22 Inertiaddict wrote: I'm a New Yorker, on Long Island. I live in a town called Ronkonkoma and we traveled to Deer Park and back (In the prime time of the storm, 7:30pm Monday night). It's a 20 minute ride down the Long Island Expressway. Feel free to Google Map it. Just for the sake of adding to the discussion I'll say a couple things, since I experienced it a bit, first-hand.
I was out in the hurricane. I was driving with my girlfriend. The lights were out, entirely, traffic, stores, etc. The first night there was nothing, no cops, or anything. There wasn't that much rain either, actually. It was a lot of wind. A lot. The thing you had to worry about was a tree falling on you.
I saw sparks coming down from telephone poles. Trees lay across the entire street wrapped in live electrical wiring dancing on the street causing sparks on the road and small fires in the shrubbery. People were on the side of the roads with hazards on and flares (just being hazards, themselves).
While I was reversing down the block because of a fallen tree a power line became entangled on my drivers side mirror. I thought I was going to get electrocuted. It was scary. Luckily, I was able to free the cable (not with my hand, but with the motion of the car as I opened my door at the same time, phew -.-; )
Trees are down everywhere and that would seem to be the biggest problem. It's very common to see this now as the lawn for every house: Seriously, this type of thing is everywhere. Every other piece of property on a block looks like this.
The flooding happened too, but that's basically Lindenhurst and Rockaway Beach, beach areas near the coast. The whole island isn't flooded, but where is was flooded was horrible. There it looks more like: The houses near the water were virtually ripped apart. It's fairly tragic. The people near Staten Island and NJ got hit really badly. They need help.
I hear the City is bad too, maybe even worse in a different way. Multiple layers of subway tunnels are completely flooded. I have no idea where they will pump all the water to. I mean, i'm sure thay haqve a plan, but I don't know what it is.
I was lucky. I have power and I never lost it. I did lose cable and internet, though, and they are still not back. I cannot play Starcraft 2 right now. Somewhere around 90% of L.I. lost power. Some of my friends have said it could take 2 or 3 weeks for LIPA to restore the power. That's nuts. houses are getting cold and food is spoiling. School's cancelled all week. Next week too, for Election Day. The kids are having a blast.
I guess that's all there is to say, without glorifying anything. I haven't heard a death toll, and I kind of don't want to, though, I'm sure Katrina was much worse in that regard, anyway.
The scary part now is the gasoline shortage. He's a pic from my friend Facebook wall as he sits on a 3 HOUR LINE for gasoline for his car. Not kidding. People are waiting on lines that stretch down the road passed two other closed gas stations to get to the one that still has.
It's all a bit to take in, honestly. Hope this helps and educates. Thanks guys, any questions, I'll try to come back and check for 'em.
Funnily enough, a lot of people will be praying their houses caught fire or had a tree smash their house, if they were caught in a flood zone. Homeowners policies will cover wind damage (including dmg from fallen trees) and fire damage, but excludes flood damage, which you have to buy separately and isn't as commonly purchased (also high deductible, limited coverage, generally run by gov't and less efficient).
On the West Coast you pray for the same thing during an earthquake if you don't have earthquake insurance and your house gets fucked. A funny joke I even heard today was one insurance agent we know who doesn't purchase his own Earthquake insurance has a set of matches with the words "Earthquake Insurance" written on it. House gets fucked in an earthquake? "Oh... the earthquake somehow caused a gas leak, and caused a fire causing my house to burn down completely, thanks for the insurance coverage!"
While a joke, he actually had the matches with that written on it >_<. Haha.
SF 1906? earthquake fires were in part caused by people who didn't have earthquake insurance so they set their house on fire hoping to collect off that, hopefully people don't get those kind of ideas. Flood insurance is too risky for avg insurers which is why they normally don't cover it and is often offered as another plan which gets subsided by the government in order to get plans out there.
On November 03 2012 12:22 Inertiaddict wrote: I'm a New Yorker, on Long Island. I live in a town called Ronkonkoma and we traveled to Deer Park and back (In the prime time of the storm, 7:30pm Monday night). It's a 20 minute ride down the Long Island Expressway. Feel free to Google Map it. Just for the sake of adding to the discussion I'll say a couple things, since I experienced it a bit, first-hand.
I was out in the hurricane. I was driving with my girlfriend. The lights were out, entirely, traffic, stores, etc. The first night there was nothing, no cops, or anything. There wasn't that much rain either, actually. It was a lot of wind. A lot. The thing you had to worry about was a tree falling on you.
I saw sparks coming down from telephone poles. Trees lay across the entire street wrapped in live electrical wiring dancing on the street causing sparks on the road and small fires in the shrubbery. People were on the side of the roads with hazards on and flares (just being hazards, themselves).
While I was reversing down the block because of a fallen tree a power line became entangled on my drivers side mirror. I thought I was going to get electrocuted. It was scary. Luckily, I was able to free the cable (not with my hand, but with the motion of the car as I opened my door at the same time, phew -.-; )
Trees are down everywhere and that would seem to be the biggest problem. It's very common to see this now as the lawn for every house: + Show Spoiler +
Seriously, this type of thing is everywhere. Every other piece of property on a block looks like this.
The flooding happened too, but that's basically Lindenhurst and Rockaway Beach, beach areas near the coast. The whole island isn't flooded, but where is was flooded was horrible. There it looks more like: + Show Spoiler +
The houses near the water were virtually ripped apart. It's fairly tragic. The people near Staten Island and NJ got hit really badly. They need help.
I hear the City is bad too, maybe even worse in a different way. Multiple layers of subway tunnels are completely flooded. I have no idea where they will pump all the water to. I mean, i'm sure thay haqve a plan, but I don't know what it is.
I was lucky. I have power and I never lost it. I did lose cable and internet, though, and they are still not back. I cannot play Starcraft 2 right now. Somewhere around 90% of L.I. lost power. Some of my friends have said it could take 2 or 3 weeks for LIPA to restore the power. That's nuts. houses are getting cold and food is spoiling. School's cancelled all week. Next week too, for Election Day. The kids are having a blast.
I guess that's all there is to say, without glorifying anything. I haven't heard a death toll, and I kind of don't want to, though, I'm sure Katrina was much worse in that regard, anyway.
The scary part now is the gasoline shortage. He's a pic from my friend Facebook wall as he sits on a 3 HOUR LINE for gasoline for his car. Not kidding. People are waiting on lines that stretch down the road passed two other closed gas stations to get to the one that still has. + Show Spoiler +
It's all a bit to take in, honestly. Hope this helps and educates. Thanks guys, any questions, I'll try to come back and check for 'em.
Glad to hear things are ok for you. I have friends in Queens and in NJ I am still trying to contact. As for upstate where it was also supposed to get bad, it didn't. We had 1 night of high winds and a ton of rain but nothing even remotely serious.
That said I am getting tired of the katrina comparisons. There is no comparison whatsoever and anyone who thinks so has obviously never been through a hurricane. NY and NJ had two things working against them; 1 the unfortunate timing of tide and 2 the fact that they never updated their levy system even after the lessons learned from katrina. Minus these two factors, Sandy was not a bad hurricane. Sandy ended up far worse then a typical Cat 1 due to incredibly bad timing.
Just a little info from the raritan bay area of central New Jersey.. It was pretty bad for the shore lined towns. Its easy to say 'why weren't they ready?!' but the reality is that some places haven't been hit like this ever. In Union Beach over 100 houses were washed away. My nieces home, which the family has lived in for over 50 years was destroyed by floods. They never expected the water to rise as high as it did.
My gf's friend's sister was on her roof as her house collapsed beneath her. She had to jump from the roof to a floating fridge door and onto another roof of a house that didn't float away. Her pets and home were all lost. All down from Union Beach to Keansburg to Atlantic Highlands had incredible damage done by this storm.
I haven't had power since Monday and don't expect it back before next week at this rate, and my town wasn't hit as bad as others. It might not be too cold for some to just bundle up extra and hide out under covers but with a 5 month old, you can't do that. If you didn't get hit bad, be glad.
I live in East Village (Manhattan) next to the river and we got electricity back yesterday. It was sooner than we were told to expect (we were told that the power won't be restored by Sunday and possibly by Wednesday). I went uptown to visit a friend and when I was coming back and saw lights on in my building I was feeling beyond happy. Like a small kid at Christass just about to open gifts.
We still have no hot water and heating. We were told that we will have to wait up to a week to get heating and possibly another week for hot water. But having power back is huge!
Lower Manhattan looked surreal post-Sandy. It really felt as if I am in a movie like "I Am Legend". I hope any other TLers that were affected by the hurricane are fine...
Been reading the shocking reports of looting especially on Staten Island.Will this debacle cause New York to rethink it's insane gun control laws? The police cannot be everywhere at once, people should have a right to defend their homes and families from looters and burglars.