EU Tobacco-Snus Scandal - Page 5

On October 23 2012 07:09 NoobSkills wrote:
Isn't this just another EU ploy to get $? Similar to Microsoft cases and other big company cases. They want to charge them $ because the economy is in a weakened state. The only issue is that these companies are doing a job if they want to raise the taxes on them I'm all for it, but making up a bullshit court case to get cash wastes the company's money on lawyers and it is time consuming for the company rather than just charge them in taxes.

On October 23 2012 08:20 blomsterjohn wrote:


Would love to see some of these claims sourced, nowadays (after they removed plexiglass and whatnot from the mix if i remember correctly) i think it actually is rather harmless as a tobacco product - would love to be proved wrong though!

On October 23 2012 08:44 AlternativeEgo wrote:


Haha, the plexiglass is just an urban legend. :D

The traditional paperboard bottomed can has a thin layer of food grade paraffin wax to keep the snus fresh. It can get mixed in the snus and look like small pieces of glass (which is the version I heard as a child).

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...In contrast to the most common form of SFT in the United States, moist snuff, the Swedish snus is not fermented and it is more or less sterilized before packaging by heat treatment. Even among different types of SFT products manufactured in Europe and the United States the risk of oral, pharyngeal and larynx cancer vary among reports and products. In a recent meta-analysis the highest risk was associated with use of dry snuff and the lowest with moist snuff, the latter apparently carrying no detectable increase in risk [6]. The safety data summarized briefly below pertain only to the Swedish product snus.

Cancer
Two case–control studies have investigated the risk of oral cancer in Swedish snus users [7,8]. In both studies snus found no increased risk of oral cancer while smoking and alcohol were associated with increased risk. In fact, the incidence of oral cancer in Sweden is among the lowest in Europe [9]. Lagergren et al. [10] found heavy smoking but not snus use to be associated with gastric carcinoma and oesophageal carcinoma. Similarly, Ye et al. [11] found no increased risk for gastric cancer among snus users. In two other studies analysing cancer at all sites no increased risk among snus users was found compared with non-tobacco users [12,13].

Cardiovascular risk
In a Swedish cohort study of construction workers carried out during the 1970s it was found that snus users had an increased risk of dying from cardiovascular disease, although the risk was lower than in cigarette smokers [12]. In the WHO cardiovascular risk factor project in northern Sweden two case–control studies investigated whether snus use was associated with myocardial infarction. No such increased risk for myocardial infarction could be observed [14,15]. From the many studies on the effect of snus on cardiovascular risk factors it seems that the risk factor profile of snus users is closer to non-tobacco users than to smokers [16–20]. With other disorders much less is known, but there are some data suggesting that snus use can lead to increased risk of type 2 diabetes [21].

In summary, it seems clear that while smoking tobacco is the skyscraper in terms of health risks the use of snus, although not risk-free, is a two-storey building and on a par with risks from many other unhealthy habits or products.

On October 23 2012 05:25 cz wrote:


source please

On October 23 2012 08:20 blomsterjohn wrote:


Would love to see some of these claims sourced, nowadays (after they removed plexiglass and whatnot from the mix if i remember correctly) i think it actually is rather harmless as a tobacco product - would love to be proved wrong though!

On October 23 2012 08:20 blomsterjohn wrote:


Would love to see some of these claims sourced, nowadays (after they removed plexiglass and whatnot from the mix if i remember correctly) i think it actually is rather harmless as a tobacco product - would love to be proved wrong though!

On October 23 2012 10:22 GreEny K wrote:


Well, the damage to the jaw and teeth is common knowledge, it happens with all oral tobacco products.

"People who use Swedish moist snuff (snus) run twice the risk of developing cancer of the pancreas"
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/05/070510095314.htm

The main contribution of the new study is its conclusion that Swedish moist snus can be carcinogenic. However, the study also shows that the risks for users are small, and, as far as can be judged, much smaller than the risks associated with smoking.

"If 10,000 non-smoking snus users are monitored for ten years, according to our data, eight or nine of them will develop pancreatic cancer, as opposed to four amongst those who use neither product. But 9,991 won't, so the odds aren't that bad"

On October 23 2012 11:25 blomsterjohn wrote:


It may just as easily be your mother talking for all that I know. I, too, have friends who have been snusing for a long time , however while maintaining hygienic dental health. Does that really prove anything? of course not.

But regardless, what you say there is pretty far from "having your jaw or teeth removed"

Moreover, your "twice the risk" must be taken in context of the numbers we are talking about here, from the report you cites: