EPTDying woman humiliated in TSA pat-down - Page 2
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Mauldo
United States750 Posts
On October 10 2012 17:30 opisska wrote: So far there are not too many americans in the thread, but as you guys come, you should really appreciate how this is your collective fault. Nothing exists on its own, even the mighty TSA has been created and appointed by your government, that you elected and you did not pressure it enough to put things straight (also because you keep buying the "we must protect you from terrorists" stories). So if you are an American and you are outraged, don't even think about bitching on the internet if you haven't already written to your congresman! After a couple of visists, I still think that the US is quite a cool (even though very sifficult to grasp) country. But this TSA crap, which every visitor must come in contact with, is really ruining the image. Don't blame the US citizens, we have no choice. Flying is not a right, it's a privilege, so in order to fly we have to agree to put up with these assholes. There's no writing our Congressman about the issue, because we have no constitutional right to a search-free airplane ride. And if they will take the constitutional rights that we explicitly have, we're not getting any rights that we don't. So before you shit on us for what happened to this poor woman, that no one in the US will actually say "Yeah, sounds right" about, learn a bit about our laws and society. I'm so tired of the Europeans coming on here and shitting on us like they're holier than thou, but actually don't know a damn thing. Millions of Americans have voiced their disdain against the TSA, but it's like voicing your disdain for the police at this point. We have no constitutional right against police either. Again, what happened to this woman is horrible, but don't blame me or anyone else for this. This is the TSA's fault, not the hapless Americans who can't seem to make the government care about us anymore. | ||
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mememolly
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Roachu
Sweden692 Posts
On October 10 2012 18:23 Nizaris wrote: just doing there job? Is denying private search part of their job too? The TSA deserves all the flak they will get in this case, communication breakdown or not. Exactly. If you cannot separate a possible terrorist/drug dealer from a dying cancer patient on her a last effort to enjoy a moment in life with family you should not just get a warning, you should get a lawsuit. | ||
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Velocirapture
United States983 Posts
On October 10 2012 18:21 lodeet wrote: Pretty much this. If you read the article “I asked them if they thought that was an appropriate location, and they told me that everything was fine". That quote doesn't say anything about requesting a private room. She simply asked if it was appropriate to do it there and they said yes, and he was embarrassed but she didn't speak up for herself. Maybe if she refused being patted down until they went to a private room then she would of got her way, but if you gonna sit there and comply then complain later how you were embarrassed well it's your fault for letting that situation happen. “I didn’t want to start getting upset and swearing and causing more of a scene or issue,” She was completely passive about the whole incident. I think this is a matter of perspective. I was always taught that people in positions like doctors, cops and even TSA enforcers are authority figures. When dealing with authority figures the default position is compliance for all but the most extreme cases of abuse (like if they are trying to kill you) and lesser issues are dealt with through the chain of command or legal system. This is what is happening here. The other perspective, which I think many people are coming around to is that these people are as accountable to us as they are to their bosses right there in the moment. I dont know whether this is a healthy entitlement or not considering, as far as I know, the system works as well as any system can be expected to (as far as authority is concerned not function). | ||
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DannyJ
United States5110 Posts
On October 10 2012 18:45 Roachu wrote: Exactly. If you cannot separate a possible terrorist/drug dealer from a dying cancer patient on her a last effort to enjoy a moment in life with family you should not just get a warning, you should get a lawsuit. Huh? The issue wasn't that they couldn't separate the two it's the fact that they didnt respect her privacy enough. It's not like they surrounded this woman with guns drawn or something... | ||
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Cutlery
Norway565 Posts
On October 10 2012 18:40 Mauldo wrote: Don't blame the US citizens, we have no choice. Flying is not a right, it's a privilege, so in order to fly we have to agree to put up with these assholes. There's no writing our Congressman about the issue, because we have no constitutional right to a search-free airplane ride. And if they will take the constitutional rights that we explicitly have, we're not getting any rights that we don't. So before you shit on us for what happened to this poor woman, that no one in the US will actually say "Yeah, sounds right" about, learn a bit about our laws and society. I'm so tired of the Europeans coming on here and shitting on us like they're holier than thou, but actually don't know a damn thing. Millions of Americans have voiced their disdain against the TSA, but it's like voicing your disdain for the police at this point. We have no constitutional right against police either. Again, what happened to this woman is horrible, but don't blame me or anyone else for this. This is the TSA's fault, not the hapless Americans who can't seem to make the government care about us anymore. I think his point was, that in a (true) democracy, the government works for the people. Not simply are you supposed to elect your leaders, you are supposed to be their boss. If you are saying that the constitution is taking away your power, then you're already not a democracy. GL with that. Essentially what you're writing is that you're powerless, as a people, against your own government. How would YOU classify this? Democracy? Hardly. ..How did you end up here? And, I'm simply going by your post. I'm not going by any other reference. It is just what I read into your reply. | ||
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neggro
United States591 Posts
On October 10 2012 18:23 Nizaris wrote: just doing there job? Is denying private search part of their job too? The TSA deserves all the flak they will get in this case, communication breakdown or not. There must be a reason why they did not affirm the request at first. There are security reasons to this you know. You can't just say you want to be inspected privately and the TSA will just agree to it without validation. This is the process I'm talking about. Don't react emotionally. Use your reason and not your emotions to get a wider view of the situation. | ||
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GnarlyArbitrage
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
The phrase "terrorists have won" seems gimmicky, but come on Amurca. Look at yourselves now. | ||
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Praetorial
United States4241 Posts
Honestly, I felt totally fine about it. The system has caught people with knives, guns, etc. If I have to be "humiliated" by a system that ensures that flying is safe through paranoid checks, then I'm fine with it. Edit: For the curious, I'm 1/2 Chinese, 1/2 Russian, but look like neither. | ||
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cdpham
United States41 Posts
How many crimes has the TSA committed? Too many to count... | ||
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Callynn
Netherlands917 Posts
Again, it's not their fault that there are so many terrorists and smugglers in the world - but of course it's not her fault either. | ||
shiroiusagi
SoCal, USA3955 Posts
On October 11 2012 02:10 cdpham wrote: How many crimes has the TSA stopped? Close to zero. How many crimes has the TSA committed? Too many to count... Like this guy? | ||
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farvacola
United States18869 Posts
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Butterednuts
United States859 Posts
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Kimaker
United States2131 Posts
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RonNation
United States385 Posts
This isn't a TSA problem, this is a problem with a specific individual. | ||
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
On October 11 2012 02:17 Butterednuts wrote: This sounds really humiliating for her. I just read the full article in the OP and she handled this very well, even after they shoved her out after she passed the pat-down. I applaud her for not making a scene and contacting the appropriate authorities after. I can see why the TSA would have such stringent rules on people that appear sick and are carrying medicine/chemicals, but doing it in public, without care is insulting and highly disrespectful. I wouldn't make a scene in an airport, those places are pretty good at legal infringing on your constitutional rights and getting away with it. On October 11 2012 02:24 RonNation wrote: This isn't a TSA problem, this is a problem with a specific individual. Yeah that's true. Let's ignore the 400 cases and the fact that they got their iPad stolen with a sample size of 10 airports, and the fact that one guy who's guilty of theft said it was a systemic problem wherein the TSA agents don't report their colleague's theft. It's just a specific individual though, right? | ||
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meeple
Canada10211 Posts
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