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Zaqwert
United States411 Posts
You can't have it both ways and demand the government be your nanny and protector and then get all upset when they intrude. It's time to kick the government intrusion to the curb. Ignore the false D/R left/right paradigm and wake up to the fact they are almost the same thing. | ||
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
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Flakes
United States3125 Posts
On October 11 2012 03:51 white_horse wrote: the TSA officers didn't have the intelligence to take her to a private room, so its their fault. That said, the screenings are better than having an explosion and 300 dead people. What if the patient was really not a patient but a guy with a bomb and the TSA people just let her through since shes just a patient and "obviously" not a threat. And then you have 300 dead people. What are you guys going to whine about if that happened? That TSA isn't doing their job and that the government fails at protecting its citizens? You guys are never going to be satisfied. Let me remind you that 99.999% of people that walk through airport screenings go through it without any problems. Its just the few percent of idiots at TSA that do stupid things (like not giving the patient private screening) and then it gets on the news and everyone starts crying invasion of privacy and loss of freedom. True, this was an unfortunate edge case, so hopefully the TSA learns how to handle these situations -- there really should be effective mechanisms for calling ahead and pre-creening to avoid this sort of thing. For those bashing America's voters, keep in mind that sensational news articles, public opinion, and exorbitant lawsuits are much more effective at enacting small-scale policy change than election results. If the TSA doesn't react to this, then more edge cases will eventually happen, more articles written about them, and their public image will drop even further (it's pretty bad already). Though sensational news media and knee-jerk lawsuits are somewhat annoying, it is an effective form of democracy in this country. (...because really, we are super apathetic about political activism -- I'm pretty sure that deep down, most Americans are aware of this) | ||
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llSpektrll
United States77 Posts
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PardonYou
United States1360 Posts
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Silidons
United States2813 Posts
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MasterMonkey
United States96 Posts
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
I think the TSA is not at fault here at all. | ||
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farvacola
United States18869 Posts
On October 11 2012 04:47 MasterMonkey wrote: Definitely should have been allowed the privacy to be searched. I think the agents wanted to be safer than sorry and check everything just in case. It's a tough call because it does not sound like a humanitarian act, but the second that we take the TSA away and then there is an act of terrorism (domestic or foreign), us Americans are gunna start bitching and wondering why we didn't have stricter security and it all starts over again. The solution is not to get rid of the TSA; instead, we ought to streamline and optimize the agency, bringing it out of this weird 2001-2004 timeloop in which the performativity of airline security is more important than the reality. No longer can a government agency simply pander to the lowest common denominator of unabased public fear and use it to justify outlandish regulations that, in fact, affect safety very little if at all. | ||
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Rimstalker
Germany734 Posts
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KimJongChill
United States6429 Posts
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grs
Germany2339 Posts
On October 11 2012 04:54 Rimstalker wrote: have you guys actually been to an airport lately and seen the long lines? If every silly-bugger gets his private room, no one would catch his/her plane anymore I don't know which german airport you are at, but where are the long lines lately? I fly regularly because of my job for about 10 years and hardly anything has changed in waiting time. | ||
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Fuego
United Kingdom166 Posts
If this woman had called ahead and made arrangements like she says she did, then surely they should have been prepared to offer her a private room to carry out the search. This is a definite abuse of authority. | ||
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Bippzy
United States1466 Posts
It sounds like a woman who was sick was under the mistaken notion that she would grt through securit since she had papers and therefore could not be a terrorist. So after being patted down she was deemed suspicious(what with tubes in her) and she asked "is this an appropriate place for this?" and the agent said yea girl. She then went to the news and sensationalized the sht out of it. This has a parallel in my own life: Warning: NSFW + Show Spoiler + So i had a friend(koogly we will call her) who was jealous of me feelig her other friends boobs. Her other friend also said ahe gives handjobs to friends(awesome right?) so i was texting koogly and i told her i wanted a hj from her other friend. Koogly lamented that no one wants her and that she would give friends hjs. I found out from kooglys other friends that she was jealous of me playing with her other friends boobs(they both are double d btw). So i invited koogly to the beach and took her to the secret tree fortress where people go to hook up a little ways down the beach. The waves were crashing and she didnt want to go to the fortress because of waves, but i convinced her. When there, without awkwardness, i started playing with her boobs(i had done this before that summer). Eventually, i whipped my penis out and I'll be honest here, she didnt really react so i put her hand on my penis. She then proceeded to give me a hj and took requests on technique. About the time when i was nearing cumming, she said she needed to be home but i said i was almost there so she finished me off and then we went back, and i biked her home and then biked home myself. She later told two people(close friends of both of ours) that i raped her, and that she tried to not give me an hj by not wanting to go to the tree fortress through waves and then having togo home before it was over, but i couldnt be stopped. That's bullshit. If you comply with requests and don't blatantly say no, you can't claim mistreatment. It's the same in this case. Gotta be clear with what you want, don't back talk the waiter for not refilling your nonfree refill drink when you didnt ask I've wanted to get that story off my chest for a while now, because i sit with koogly at lucnh and ahe doesnt know i know and we are good friends. I promise i didn't go away from that event feeling like i had raped anyone. In fact, i thought i was doin her a favor considering her jealousy of me with her other friends | ||
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Trusty
New Zealand520 Posts
Whenever someone has a cry, or whenever people in this thread have a cry, bust out the tablet show them the 9/11 footage. Hopefully that would shut up alot of people very quickly. How would you feel, if she got on the plane, and it blew up because of her? As in, the 0.001% chance that the story given to the TSA agents was fake, and they didn't check her out. Would you want that on your conscience? You ask the families of those who lost loved ones in 9/11, or other terrorist activity. They prey on your 'it'll be ok' mentality. They prey on your 'won't happen to me... couldn't be happening' mentality. It does look like the situation was not handled correctly (privacy etc), but those saying that it's silly to check her out......... please.... have some respect for the people who have lost loved ones to terrorists. | ||
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rd
United States2586 Posts
On October 10 2012 17:30 opisska wrote: So far there are not too many americans in the thread, but as you guys come, you should really appreciate how this is your collective fault. Nothing exists on its own, even the mighty TSA has been created and appointed by your government, that you elected and you did not pressure it enough to put things straight (also because you keep buying the "we must protect you from terrorists" stories). So if you are an American and you are outraged, don't even think about bitching on the internet if you haven't already written to your congresman! After a couple of visists, I still think that the US is quite a cool (even though very sifficult to grasp) country. But this TSA crap, which every visitor must come in contact with, is really ruining the image. Yeah pretty much anyone who isn't at the capital building picketing five days a week both agrees with and endorses the actions of the TSA. | ||
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NeMeSiS3
Canada2972 Posts
On October 11 2012 05:13 Trusty wrote: They should equip TSA staff with tablets (ipad etc). Whenever someone has a cry, or whenever people in this thread have a cry, bust out the tablet show them the 9/11 footage. Hopefully that would shut up alot of people very quickly. How would you feel, if she got on the plane, and it blew up because of her? As in, the 0.001% chance that the story given to the TSA agents was fake, and they didn't check her out. Would you want that on your conscience? You ask the families of those who lost loved ones in 9/11, or other terrorist activity. They prey on your 'it'll be ok' mentality. They prey on your 'won't happen to me... couldn't be happening' mentality. It does look like the situation was not handled correctly (privacy etc), but those saying that it's silly to check her out......... please.... have some respect for the people who have lost loved ones to terrorists. Ben Franklin Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither. Only cowards hide behind incidents and "respect" has nothing to do with it. By this we should check every person walking into a bank for weapons, we should have security checks every half miles on the interstate and we should have every single person in a poor area patted down since it has the highest crime rates. It's so disrespectful to the familes who have lost people to gun violence to not have these people patted down! How could you? Didn't you ever see a video of a person being shot, maybe we should bust out a tablet and play it! Such ridiculous rhetoric, absolutely astounding you think 9/11 is a valid argument for that video. On October 11 2012 05:16 rd wrote: Yeah pretty much anyone who isn't at the capital building picketing five days a week both agrees with and endorses the actions of the TSA. I see what you did there! "squnits" I see it! I do agree, it's ridiculous to blame all Americans so directly for the actions of the TSA but people (Canada included, feel I have to state this now since people always seem to assume I mean America directly) have become to complacent with what is going on around the world, everything is becoming like the movie V for Vendetta, sit down shut up and walk straight or else! I dunno, it's a problem across the board that I don't know how to fix, we just don't seem to care anymore about things we took for granted before. | ||
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forestry
95 Posts
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EffervescentAureola
United States410 Posts
On October 11 2012 02:50 VashtaNerada wrote: Let's muddy the waters a bit. It's probably safe to assume that the TSA catches few, if any, crimes. I have a combination lock on the gate from my front yard to my back yard. I'm well aware that it only takes a few seconds and a good pair of bolt cutters to bypass that "security" measure. However... it takes a few seconds and a good pair of bolt cutters. A determined thief can still break in, but it's not as easy to do so. The TSA works off of the same principle. It might be possible to get a bomb onto a plane but it's a lot more difficult to do so. It's not a guaranteed preventative measure, but it drives up the resources, time, and planning that it takes. There's some synergy there with law enforcement - the longer it takes to develop an attack, the greater the likelihood something goes wrong and you get caught. Chances are, that's happened before but it doesn't make a big media splash. Next, let's put ourselves in the shoes of some hapless TSA agent. In comes a patient in a wheelchair, complete with saline bags and bandaging with something obviously under it. Yes, it's far more likely that this is a sick person going to visit their dying relatives than a drug smuggler or terrorist... so you've got a choice, and they both suck. You either do your security check and risk looking like a jerk, or you wave them through and risk missing something important. There's definitely a caveat here: you should still treat people with dignity and respect. If you've got to do a thorough pat-down, take it somewhere private. I don't particularly enjoy going through TSA security. I don't know if its existence is justified or not; if in the last decade it has prevented even one single incident that could kill 300 people on a plane, does that balance out the inconvenience and occasional abuse of authority? Is this just another slice of freedom that we've lost, another step towards some dystopian authoritarian bureaucracy? I haven't got any answers for those questions, but I think the issues with TSA are a lot more complex than "the lines suck and getting patted down is undignified and I've never seen anyone get caught with a bomb." This is a great post man, totally agree with you. | ||
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NeMeSiS3
Canada2972 Posts
On October 11 2012 05:19 forestry wrote: tel aviv has a better method and significantly faster than tsa... Out of curiosity what is that :D ? | ||
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