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NeMeSiS3
Canada2972 Posts
On October 11 2012 07:01 FabledIntegral wrote: The issue is them being the recipient of government funding as well. Agreed, a private can do whatever they privately want. The issue is with regards to any tax payer spending or state spending. | ||
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Smat
United States301 Posts
On October 11 2012 02:56 kmillz wrote: You cite one example of a closet gay and pedophile and use that to support your argument that openly gay men are less likely to abuse boys than straight? That's funny, because last time I checked a man who was straight doesn't touch boys. Gay men don't touch boys either, unless they are secretly pedophiles. Straight men don't touch boys either, unless they are secretly pedophiles. See the common denominator here, and why it is retarded to discriminate based on the "likelyhood" of being a pedophile. Following your logic they should ban men from leading boyscouts and personally, I don't think that would be such a bad idea. Why do they allow men to lead boyscouts when men are far more likely to abuse the boys involved? | ||
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Klondikebar
United States2227 Posts
I do not understand why we let such horrible logic slip by. Being Christian is a choice. Being gay is not a choice. Your choices can be criticized and ridiculed. Things that are not your choice cannot. If you choose to believe that 2+2 = 6 then I can call you stupid and laugh at you. I cannot laugh at someone for being born black or blonde. | ||
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Voltaire
United States1485 Posts
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kmillz
United States1548 Posts
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heliusx
United States2306 Posts
On October 11 2012 09:49 kmillz wrote: Seems like being religious is more likely to draw haters than being gay these days. Lucky me, I'm neither. That may be so but the reasons people "hate" said people have nothing in common. Difference being some religious people are openly bigoted towards gays. It's like comparing hating racists and hating black people. | ||
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th0
Norway12 Posts
On October 09 2012 00:43 MooMu wrote: Boy Scouts of America Rejects Eagle Scout Status to Gay Member BSA standing up for their backwards policies against homosexuals yet again. I respect their firm stance on this issue as it will make it more abundantly clear that this organization is inimical to a compassionate and progressive society and culture. I propose they change their name to The Faggotless Boy Scouts of America (FBSA) to avoid any further issues in the future. Maybe also add "For the Living Christ" as an addendum. [Redacted - I was pissed. You understand] Don't support the BSA until they get their shit together and join the rest of us in modernity. only in MERICA... In U.S., 46% Hold Creationist View of Human Origins USA USA USA Need we say more? they are super stupid and i really dont see a change coming for them =) I mean.look at this ![[image loading]](http://sas-origin.onstreammedia.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/p_yjcwwaxuor-xzl2te4qa.gif) hahahaha User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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heliusx
United States2306 Posts
I think you're confused about what thread you're in? | ||
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Seldentar
United States888 Posts
On October 11 2012 10:07 th0 wrote: only in MERICA... In U.S., 46% Hold Creationist View of Human Origins USA USA USA Need we say more? they are super stupid and i really dont see a change coming for them =) I mean.look at this hahahaha BAHAHAHAHAHA ... Wait whats so funny... oh yea... BAHAHAHAHAHAH... wait wut | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On October 11 2012 10:07 th0 wrote: + Show Spoiler + only in MERICA... In U.S., 46% Hold Creationist View of Human Origins USA USA USA Need we say more? they are super stupid and i really dont see a change coming for them =) I mean.look at this hahahaha would you say they are dumber than the dude from norway who goes on an american website and bashes americans? | ||
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heliusx
United States2306 Posts
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micronesia
United States24806 Posts
How you determine what country this website is from, I'm not sure. Making fun of people because they hold what you think to be dumb ideas is very questionable though. You aren't exactly making the world a better place if you know what I mean. | ||
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Shin_Gouki
United States313 Posts
On October 11 2012 07:48 Klondikebar wrote: I do not understand why we let such horrible logic slip by. Being Christian is a choice. Being gay is not a choice. Your choices can be criticized and ridiculed. Things that are not your choice cannot. If you choose to believe that 2+2 = 6 then I can call you stupid and laugh at you. I cannot laugh at someone for being born black or blonde. Wait, I have a question. Can you link me to a good study where it deems homosexuality isn't a choice? I've read many different studies which contradict each other. Yes, Christianity, as well as any religion is a choice. However, in my mind, I believe your gender orientation is also a choice. There isn't a gene that makes you like one sex over the other from my understanding. | ||
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HULKAMANIA
United States1219 Posts
On October 11 2012 10:07 th0 wrote: only in MERICA... In U.S., 46% Hold Creationist View of Human Origins USA USA USA Need we say more? they are super stupid and i really dont see a change coming for them =) I mean.look at this hahahaha I know that I'm generalizing (which is a little unfair to the hordes of decent and thoughtful people who take issue with the BSA's stance against homosexuality), but this (and the OP) represents exactly the sort of smug, vicious elitism I associate with the most vocal opponents of the scouts. | ||
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heliusx
United States2306 Posts
On October 11 2012 11:19 Shin_Gouki wrote: Wait, I have a question. Can you link me to a good study where it deems homosexuality isn't a choice? I've read many different studies which contradict each other. Yes, Christianity, as well as any religion is a choice. However, in my mind, I believe your gender orientation is also a choice. There isn't a gene that makes you like one sex over the other from my understanding. maybe i don't understand gay people but why would they choose to be gay? if they thought in the same ways as most of us straight guys they likely wouldn't consider being gay. of course i don't know shit about homosexuality, i just can't fathom a straight person deciding to become gay. it just does not compute in my brain. | ||
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Fetchystick
United States43 Posts
Before talking about this I will say that I very strongly support acceptance of people regardless of sexuality, but that the negative disposition in the BSA has some merit, even though its origins are not directly related to homosexuality. A lot of this "homophobia" stuff comes from the boy scout policy of two deep leadership(look it up). That is to say, there cannot be just one boy and one adult with each other at any time. The reason for having this rule is the same reason there exists such rules as a female taking a driver's test may not go alone with a male instructor. There exists some men out there who possess not-so nice intentions (rape among them) and the BSA imposed this rule to shield their young members (those under 18 years of age) away from someone with such intentions, because lets face it, the boy scouts seems like the place to go if you are a homosexual pedophile. Boy scouts number one concern is safety. I go on a lot of trips and participate in a lot of activities that I would not have been able to do had it not been for BSA, and the numerous BSA safety regulations is what allows large groups of boys to go out and participate in such fun activities without anyone getting separated or into danger. The two deep leadership policy is an obvious attack against homosexuals, but only because homosexual men WITH MALICIOUS INTENT (I'm talking about legit criminal rape) are a common danger to the safety of the BSA and its members. I wish the boy scouts of america hadn't become so opposed to homosexuality, but one thing leads to another eventually and the two deep leadership practice has instilled such a mindset within it (a mindset that, knowing the origins, I understand, but oppose strongly) As a christian, I know the bible says homosexuality is wrong and god doesn't like it. I also know that god doesn't like it when we use his name in vain or make an idol or disrespect our parents or break any of god's commandments (which, according to my faith and those educated in common christian beliefs, human beings do all the time). I believe that anyone who treats homosexuality as the greatest affront to god's kingdom and word are missing out a huge part of the bible. They go on to say homosexuals are sinners while neglecting their own sin (the latter part being a one-way ticket to hell, according to the christian beliefs) I would say that Churches committing crimes against homosexuals is entirely unjust and despicable, and the fact that the BSA denied a minor (as in, the very thing the two deep leadership was supposed to be protecting, not protecting against) his eagle award to be entirely against the fundamentals of scouting (exploring the world and yourself to help you make decisions in your adult life). I am very willing to talk to anyone about scouting or Christianity if they are willing to debate thoughtfully. I don't want to be in here converting anyone, I just want people to understand the origins of these feelings in the Boys Scouts of America and understand that it is not christianity's fault that christians are mistreating homosexuals or being ignorant to the many facets of our world. I understand that this is the internet and I can't have my way with everyone, but I implore that you don't go about judging these groups based on the actions of a few members. | ||
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Klondikebar
United States2227 Posts
On October 11 2012 11:19 Shin_Gouki wrote: Wait, I have a question. Can you link me to a good study where it deems homosexuality isn't a choice? I've read many different studies which contradict each other. Yes, Christianity, as well as any religion is a choice. However, in my mind, I believe your gender orientation is also a choice. There isn't a gene that makes you like one sex over the other from my understanding. Ask a gay person...why do you need a study? Or, just think about yourself. Was your orientation a choice? If not, why would you assume someone else's is? | ||
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neggro
United States591 Posts
On October 11 2012 08:16 Voltaire wrote: Hopefully sexual orientation will be added to the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Then the BSA won't be allowed to continue this nonsense anymore. The problem with the Constitution and the Civil rights argument is that sexual orientation is implicitly embedded in those rights. The problem comes when narrow-minded people want to push a backward homophobic agenda on the issue. | ||
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Jaaaaasper
United States10225 Posts
That being said, all three of the eagle scouts my troop produced have sent in their eagle badges, and I agree with them fully. Unless BSA is getting federal funding they have no reason to allow atheists and gays into the scouts (which huge numbers of troop and even some districts and counsels ignore) and gaining eagle rank (which the national council controls and local units can't change no matter how they want to), but the younger scouts and leaders are not all accordance with the policy of bigotry that the national leaders enforce. The local leaders in my area so blatantly ignored these rules, that I must admit to not having known about these rules until it hit the national media. Just wanted to let you guys know that not all scouts and former scouts share the prejudiced the national counsel in Texas enforce. | ||
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Fetchystick
United States43 Posts
On October 11 2012 11:50 Jaaaaasper wrote: Does the bsa actually get federal funding, I took part in this argument in the last thread, and i think it was found that they do get a "favored group" type deal, I don't think I saw actual proof of government funding. The troop I was in as a scout (which ignored these types of rules with a great deal of pleasure) got all of our funding from selling that freaking popcorn and other fund raisers, and that and donations is where my regional district got its funding from as well. That being said, all three of the eagle scouts my troop produced have sent in their eagle badges, and I agree with them fully. Unless BSA is getting federal funding they have no reason to allow atheists and gays into the scouts (which huge numbers of troop and even some districts and counsels ignore) and gaining eagle rank (which the national council controls and local units can't change no matter how they want to), but the younger scouts and leaders are not all accordance with the policy of bigotry that the national leaders enforce. The local leaders in my area so blatantly ignored these rules, that I must admit to not having known about these rules until it hit the national media. Just wanted to let you guys know that not all scouts and former scouts share the prejudiced the national counsel in Texas enforce. Yes sir, BSA's funding comes from private donations and fundraisers. | ||
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