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On October 11 2012 11:19 Shin_Gouki wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2012 07:48 Klondikebar wrote:On October 11 2012 05:27 dAPhREAk wrote:On October 11 2012 05:24 shizaep wrote:On October 11 2012 05:23 Olinim wrote:On October 11 2012 05:18 shizaep wrote:On October 11 2012 05:06 Olinim wrote:On October 11 2012 05:02 shizaep wrote:On October 10 2012 13:20 dAPhREAk wrote:On October 10 2012 13:18 Djzapz wrote:
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I used to think like that, but in retrospect, people don't necessarily stand up for minorities and we can't trust them to do it. Not every time. i have a problem with the trend of people/government deciding how other people should think, or what they should believe. You say it's okay for people to stick for their views but right after you go on to say that it's okay for people to "boycott" or "punish" them for sharing these views, implying that it is, in fact, not okay to uphold these views. If you thought it was okay for the BSA to uphold their views, you would let them be and not go on forums to criticize their beliefs because they are not like yours, which are obviously "correct". He probably means it's okay in the sense that they have a legal right to do that. Not that he won't criticize their backwards beliefs or boycott them because of it, just that he wouldn't try to pass a law about it or force them to change. Yes, if you think that these beliefs are "backwards", by all means go ahead, I commend you for sticking up for them. The BSA thinks that your beliefs are backwards and they can stand up for them too. I believe that if they want to, they can. Just because you share a belief about how society should function, doesn't necessarily mean it should function that way. Live your own life and let the BSA live theirs. Don't hate them for it and don't "boycott" them. Just disagree with them and leave them alone. Why? Part of sticking up for my beliefs is not supporting (boycotting) people that discriminate against gays. Don't tell me who I should or shouldn't hate. If you hate people who aren't pro-homosexuality, then by the same logic, people who aren't pro-homosexuality have every right to do the same to you. agreed wholeheartedly. I do not understand why we let such horrible logic slip by. Being Christian is a choice. Being gay is not a choice. Your choices can be criticized and ridiculed. Things that are not your choice cannot. If you choose to believe that 2+2 = 6 then I can call you stupid and laugh at you. I cannot laugh at someone for being born black or blonde. Wait, I have a question. Can you link me to a good study where it deems homosexuality isn't a choice? I've read many different studies which contradict each other. Yes, Christianity, as well as any religion is a choice. However, in my mind, I believe your gender orientation is also a choice. There isn't a gene that makes you like one sex over the other from my understanding.
Can you link me to a study stating that sexual orientation is a choice, the last guy i asked for this provided me with a Oprah link and a forum post where the person asking the question was called a bunch of nasty names, and obviously had not seen a study to that fact and obviously threw the hail mary google search in hopes of coming up with something.
Fell free to post it in here, I think everyone in here would love to see and discuss the studies you are referencing.
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On October 11 2012 11:41 Klondikebar wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2012 11:19 Shin_Gouki wrote:On October 11 2012 07:48 Klondikebar wrote:On October 11 2012 05:27 dAPhREAk wrote:On October 11 2012 05:24 shizaep wrote:On October 11 2012 05:23 Olinim wrote:On October 11 2012 05:18 shizaep wrote:On October 11 2012 05:06 Olinim wrote:On October 11 2012 05:02 shizaep wrote:On October 10 2012 13:20 dAPhREAk wrote:
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i have a problem with the trend of people/government deciding how other people should think, or what they should believe. You say it's okay for people to stick for their views but right after you go on to say that it's okay for people to "boycott" or "punish" them for sharing these views, implying that it is, in fact, not okay to uphold these views. If you thought it was okay for the BSA to uphold their views, you would let them be and not go on forums to criticize their beliefs because they are not like yours, which are obviously "correct". He probably means it's okay in the sense that they have a legal right to do that. Not that he won't criticize their backwards beliefs or boycott them because of it, just that he wouldn't try to pass a law about it or force them to change. Yes, if you think that these beliefs are "backwards", by all means go ahead, I commend you for sticking up for them. The BSA thinks that your beliefs are backwards and they can stand up for them too. I believe that if they want to, they can. Just because you share a belief about how society should function, doesn't necessarily mean it should function that way. Live your own life and let the BSA live theirs. Don't hate them for it and don't "boycott" them. Just disagree with them and leave them alone. Why? Part of sticking up for my beliefs is not supporting (boycotting) people that discriminate against gays. Don't tell me who I should or shouldn't hate. If you hate people who aren't pro-homosexuality, then by the same logic, people who aren't pro-homosexuality have every right to do the same to you. agreed wholeheartedly. I do not understand why we let such horrible logic slip by. Being Christian is a choice. Being gay is not a choice. Your choices can be criticized and ridiculed. Things that are not your choice cannot. If you choose to believe that 2+2 = 6 then I can call you stupid and laugh at you. I cannot laugh at someone for being born black or blonde. Wait, I have a question. Can you link me to a good study where it deems homosexuality isn't a choice? I've read many different studies which contradict each other. Yes, Christianity, as well as any religion is a choice. However, in my mind, I believe your gender orientation is also a choice. There isn't a gene that makes you like one sex over the other from my understanding. Ask a gay person...why do you need a study? Or, just think about yourself. Was your orientation a choice? If not, why would you assume someone else's is?
I believe that every male and female makes a choice about the orientation. None of us are actually born craving one sex over the other, unless you have a study which can correct me on that. I don't see how one can assume they were born with a preference towards gender orientation. If anything, following nature would make it seem that a homosexual being born is a defect, since you can't reproduce naturally (sounds kind of extremely, but that's why I've been looking for more studies). Personally, I believe it's all based on complex interactions throughout your life which was the deciding factor towards which gender you wish to mate with.
Can you link me to a study stating that sexual orientation is a choice, the last guy i asked for this provided me with a Oprah link and a forum post where the person asking the question was called a bunch of nasty names, and obviously had not seen a study to that fact and obviously threw the hail mary google search in hopes of coming up with something.
Fell free to post it in here, I think everyone in here would love to see and discuss the studies you are referencing.
I never claimed to have a study, which is why I asked if he had one.
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On October 11 2012 11:55 Fetchystick wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2012 11:50 Jaaaaasper wrote:
Does the bsa actually get federal funding, I took part in this argument in the last thread, and i think it was found that they do get a "favored group" type deal, I don't think I saw actual proof of government funding. The troop I was in as a scout (which ignored these types of rules with a great deal of pleasure) got all of our funding from selling that freaking popcorn and other fund raisers, and that and donations is where my regional district got its funding from as well.
That being said, all three of the eagle scouts my troop produced have sent in their eagle badges, and I agree with them fully. Unless BSA is getting federal funding they have no reason to allow atheists and gays into the scouts (which huge numbers of troop and even some districts and counsels ignore) and gaining eagle rank (which the national council controls and local units can't change no matter how they want to), but the younger scouts and leaders are not all accordance with the policy of bigotry that the national leaders enforce. The local leaders in my area so blatantly ignored these rules, that I must admit to not having known about these rules until it hit the national media.
Just wanted to let you guys know that not all scouts and former scouts share the prejudiced the national counsel in Texas enforce. Yes sir, BSA's funding comes from private donations and fundraisers.
Don't forget the DoD has used 29million tax payer dollars in the past 30 years to help cover expenses at the jamborees. Let's also not forget they get access to public equipment and land anytime they want. Yeah, totally not funded or helped by the government not at all.
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On October 11 2012 12:00 Shin_Gouki wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2012 11:41 Klondikebar wrote:On October 11 2012 11:19 Shin_Gouki wrote:On October 11 2012 07:48 Klondikebar wrote:On October 11 2012 05:27 dAPhREAk wrote:On October 11 2012 05:24 shizaep wrote:On October 11 2012 05:23 Olinim wrote:On October 11 2012 05:18 shizaep wrote:On October 11 2012 05:06 Olinim wrote:On October 11 2012 05:02 shizaep wrote:
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You say it's okay for people to stick for their views but right after you go on to say that it's okay for people to "boycott" or "punish" them for sharing these views, implying that it is, in fact, not okay to uphold these views.
If you thought it was okay for the BSA to uphold their views, you would let them be and not go on forums to criticize their beliefs because they are not like yours, which are obviously "correct". He probably means it's okay in the sense that they have a legal right to do that. Not that he won't criticize their backwards beliefs or boycott them because of it, just that he wouldn't try to pass a law about it or force them to change. Yes, if you think that these beliefs are "backwards", by all means go ahead, I commend you for sticking up for them. The BSA thinks that your beliefs are backwards and they can stand up for them too. I believe that if they want to, they can. Just because you share a belief about how society should function, doesn't necessarily mean it should function that way. Live your own life and let the BSA live theirs. Don't hate them for it and don't "boycott" them. Just disagree with them and leave them alone. Why? Part of sticking up for my beliefs is not supporting (boycotting) people that discriminate against gays. Don't tell me who I should or shouldn't hate. If you hate people who aren't pro-homosexuality, then by the same logic, people who aren't pro-homosexuality have every right to do the same to you. agreed wholeheartedly. I do not understand why we let such horrible logic slip by. Being Christian is a choice. Being gay is not a choice. Your choices can be criticized and ridiculed. Things that are not your choice cannot. If you choose to believe that 2+2 = 6 then I can call you stupid and laugh at you. I cannot laugh at someone for being born black or blonde. Wait, I have a question. Can you link me to a good study where it deems homosexuality isn't a choice? I've read many different studies which contradict each other. Yes, Christianity, as well as any religion is a choice. However, in my mind, I believe your gender orientation is also a choice. There isn't a gene that makes you like one sex over the other from my understanding. Ask a gay person...why do you need a study? Or, just think about yourself. Was your orientation a choice? If not, why would you assume someone else's is? I believe that every male and female makes a choice about the orientation. None of us are actually born craving one sex over the other, unless you have a study which can correct me on that. I don't see how one can assume they were born with a preference towards gender orientation. If anything, following nature would make it seem that a homosexual being born is a defect, since you can't reproduce naturally (sounds kind of extremely, but that's why I've been looking for more studies). Personally, I believe it's all based on complex interactions throughout your life which was the deciding factor towards which gender you wish to mate with. Show nested quote +Can you link me to a study stating that sexual orientation is a choice, the last guy i asked for this provided me with a Oprah link and a forum post where the person asking the question was called a bunch of nasty names, and obviously had not seen a study to that fact and obviously threw the hail mary google search in hopes of coming up with something.
Fell free to post it in here, I think everyone in here would love to see and discuss the studies you are referencing. I never claimed to have a study, which is why I asked if he had one. Edit: Added a new quote
I don't remember making a choice to be attracted to women, of course i could just be an anomaly.
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On October 11 2012 11:19 Shin_Gouki wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2012 07:48 Klondikebar wrote:On October 11 2012 05:27 dAPhREAk wrote:On October 11 2012 05:24 shizaep wrote:On October 11 2012 05:23 Olinim wrote:On October 11 2012 05:18 shizaep wrote:On October 11 2012 05:06 Olinim wrote:On October 11 2012 05:02 shizaep wrote:On October 10 2012 13:20 dAPhREAk wrote:On October 10 2012 13:18 Djzapz wrote:
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I used to think like that, but in retrospect, people don't necessarily stand up for minorities and we can't trust them to do it. Not every time. i have a problem with the trend of people/government deciding how other people should think, or what they should believe. You say it's okay for people to stick for their views but right after you go on to say that it's okay for people to "boycott" or "punish" them for sharing these views, implying that it is, in fact, not okay to uphold these views. If you thought it was okay for the BSA to uphold their views, you would let them be and not go on forums to criticize their beliefs because they are not like yours, which are obviously "correct". He probably means it's okay in the sense that they have a legal right to do that. Not that he won't criticize their backwards beliefs or boycott them because of it, just that he wouldn't try to pass a law about it or force them to change. Yes, if you think that these beliefs are "backwards", by all means go ahead, I commend you for sticking up for them. The BSA thinks that your beliefs are backwards and they can stand up for them too. I believe that if they want to, they can. Just because you share a belief about how society should function, doesn't necessarily mean it should function that way. Live your own life and let the BSA live theirs. Don't hate them for it and don't "boycott" them. Just disagree with them and leave them alone. Why? Part of sticking up for my beliefs is not supporting (boycotting) people that discriminate against gays. Don't tell me who I should or shouldn't hate. If you hate people who aren't pro-homosexuality, then by the same logic, people who aren't pro-homosexuality have every right to do the same to you. agreed wholeheartedly. I do not understand why we let such horrible logic slip by. Being Christian is a choice. Being gay is not a choice. Your choices can be criticized and ridiculed. Things that are not your choice cannot. If you choose to believe that 2+2 = 6 then I can call you stupid and laugh at you. I cannot laugh at someone for being born black or blonde. Wait, I have a question. Can you link me to a good study where it deems homosexuality isn't a choice? I've read many different studies which contradict each other. Yes, Christianity, as well as any religion is a choice. However, in my mind, I believe your gender orientation is also a choice. There isn't a gene that makes you like one sex over the other from my understanding.
Why the fuck would anyone want to be homosexual? So many adolescents commit suicide because they hate the fact they are homosexual. The suicide rate for homosexual teens is astronomically higher, as I just verified from 3 different scientific studies on google.
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Why does every discussion about discrimination due to sexual orientation have to turn into an argument about whether or not being gay is 'chosen'? It isn't even clear wtf people are talking about.
What does it even mean for your sexual orientation to be a choice? I think what most people mean is that it might be nurture instead of nature, meaning that our experiences, rather than our genetic code, determine our sexual orientation. I have yet to so conclusive proof of either theory there. However, even in the case of nurture, sexuality isn't necessarily a choice.
Hell, if I could choose whether to be attracted to males or females, why couldn't I choose to be attracted to both? (I'd think more 'homosexuals' would do this for social reasons) Or walruses? I'm pretty sure no matter how much I try I'm not going to find walruses sexy (lemonwalrus excluded) :p
If people discussing this would be clear on exactly what they mean we could avoid a lot of pointless contention.
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On October 11 2012 12:12 micronesia wrote:
Why does every discussion about discrimination due to sexual orientation have to turn into an argument about whether or not being gay is 'chosen'? It isn't even clear wtf people are talking about.
I assume it's because people would rather judge others (it's easier) than allow that someone likes something they themselves don't like and still be compassionate for that person as a human being who isn't harming anyone.
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On October 11 2012 12:08 FabledIntegral wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2012 11:19 Shin_Gouki wrote:On October 11 2012 07:48 Klondikebar wrote:On October 11 2012 05:27 dAPhREAk wrote:On October 11 2012 05:24 shizaep wrote:On October 11 2012 05:23 Olinim wrote:On October 11 2012 05:18 shizaep wrote:On October 11 2012 05:06 Olinim wrote:On October 11 2012 05:02 shizaep wrote:On October 10 2012 13:20 dAPhREAk wrote:
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i have a problem with the trend of people/government deciding how other people should think, or what they should believe. You say it's okay for people to stick for their views but right after you go on to say that it's okay for people to "boycott" or "punish" them for sharing these views, implying that it is, in fact, not okay to uphold these views. If you thought it was okay for the BSA to uphold their views, you would let them be and not go on forums to criticize their beliefs because they are not like yours, which are obviously "correct". He probably means it's okay in the sense that they have a legal right to do that. Not that he won't criticize their backwards beliefs or boycott them because of it, just that he wouldn't try to pass a law about it or force them to change. Yes, if you think that these beliefs are "backwards", by all means go ahead, I commend you for sticking up for them. The BSA thinks that your beliefs are backwards and they can stand up for them too. I believe that if they want to, they can. Just because you share a belief about how society should function, doesn't necessarily mean it should function that way. Live your own life and let the BSA live theirs. Don't hate them for it and don't "boycott" them. Just disagree with them and leave them alone. Why? Part of sticking up for my beliefs is not supporting (boycotting) people that discriminate against gays. Don't tell me who I should or shouldn't hate. If you hate people who aren't pro-homosexuality, then by the same logic, people who aren't pro-homosexuality have every right to do the same to you. agreed wholeheartedly. I do not understand why we let such horrible logic slip by. Being Christian is a choice. Being gay is not a choice. Your choices can be criticized and ridiculed. Things that are not your choice cannot. If you choose to believe that 2+2 = 6 then I can call you stupid and laugh at you. I cannot laugh at someone for being born black or blonde. Wait, I have a question. Can you link me to a good study where it deems homosexuality isn't a choice? I've read many different studies which contradict each other. Yes, Christianity, as well as any religion is a choice. However, in my mind, I believe your gender orientation is also a choice. There isn't a gene that makes you like one sex over the other from my understanding. Why the fuck would anyone want to be homosexual? So many adolescents commit suicide because they hate the fact they are homosexual. The suicide rate for homosexual teens is astronomically higher, as I just verified from 3 different scientific studies on google.
Why would a man want to be homosexual? Well the obvious answer to that question is: He's not attracted to females. The reason why some people hate their orientation is because we as a society treat them harshly. Has anyone seen the movie "Prayer's for Bobby" because I think that's a good example of why the suicide rate is high in our country. Not to mention, the bullying if people find out you're homosexual, etc.
I've also googled many studies, but that doesn't mean the references are always good. The date the studies took place is a good factor to consider as well as who funded the study. The problem in general is, I don't know who's being more biased towards what.
I'm reading something from Discovery magazine. If anyone wants to read it I'll put it as a spoiler, but it's a 4 page read it looks like.
+ Show Spoiler +http://discovermagazine.com/2007/jun/born-gay/article_view?b_start:int=0&-C=
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On October 11 2012 12:12 micronesia wrote:
Why does every discussion about discrimination due to sexual orientation have to turn into an argument about whether or not being gay is 'chosen'? It isn't even clear wtf people are talking about.
What does it even mean for your sexual orientation to be a choice? I think what most people mean is that it might be nurture instead of nature, meaning that our experiences, rather than our genetic code, determine our sexual orientation. I have yet to so conclusive proof of either theory there. However, even in the case of nurture, sexuality isn't necessarily a choice.
Hell, if I could choose whether to be attracted to males or females, why couldn't I choose to be attracted to both? (I'd think more 'homosexuals' would do this for social reasons) Or walruses? I'm pretty sure no matter how much I try I'm not going to find walruses sexy (lemonwalrus excluded) :p
If people discussing this would be clear on exactly what they mean we could avoid a lot of pointless contention.
funny thing is that for some people, they do choose: BUG ;-)
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For all those who are so quick to say that being gay isn't a choice and being religious is, here is some food for thought: God Gene This article suggests that being religious could be genetic. Or at least make us more prone to being religious, which is the same argument for homosexuality.
If you Google God gene more articles come up, but I figured with all the anecdotal evidence floating around this was good enough.
On October 11 2012 09:49 kmillz wrote:
Seems like being religious is more likely to draw haters than being gay these days. Lucky me, I'm neither.
The amount of hate and stereotyping of religious people on this site is appalling. Don't they see that they are being the bigots they are accusing Christians of being? Instead of trying to change an institution that is devoted to God, why not come up with a more tolerant organization of your own. Instead of being bigoted toward your perceived bigots, why don't you show the tolerance you demand instead? If you are really on the moral high ground, be the example of how you expect the morally superior to behave.
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On October 11 2012 12:25 StreetWise wrote:For all those who are so quick to say that being gay isn't a choice and being religious is, here is some food for thought: God Gene This article suggests that being religious could be genetic. Or at least make us more prone to being religious, which is the same argument for homosexuality. If you Google God gene more articles come up, but I figured with all the anecdotal evidence floating around this was good enough. Show nested quote +On October 11 2012 09:49 kmillz wrote:
Seems like being religious is more likely to draw haters than being gay these days. Lucky me, I'm neither. The amount of hate and stereotyping of religious people on this site is appalling. Don't they see that they are being the bigots they are accusing Christians of being? Instead of trying to change an institution that is devoted to God, why not come up with a more tolerant organization of your own. Instead of being bigoted toward your perceived bigots, why don't you show the tolerance you demand instead? If you are really on the moral high ground, be the example of how you expect the morally superior to behave.
demanding tolerance towards bigotry? what in the literal fuck are you talking about?
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most people these days condone tolerance completely and totally but are the exact opposite when it comes to tolerating intolerance. Boy scouts is a private organization and they can do what they see fit. If you say you are so tolerant how about you show it by being tolerant of this private organizations beliefs
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Boy scouts have every legal right to exclude person's who are gay. Why is this still being discussed? Ala can i go an sue curves for not letting me work out since they are the only gym in the area? no - stop being so thin skinned people or more educated cause im so smart and you should take my opinion as your own.
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For all the new comers refusing to do a bit of reading before posting that no one has business being against BSA because it's a private organization. The thing is they use tax payer money from the department of defense to host it's jamborees. They use public equipment and property. Therefore it's a completely legit reasoning for the public to protest their bigotry until they stop accepting public funding in all ways or stop being bigots.
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Another case of idiocy where people are telling other people what the right way to live is..
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On October 11 2012 12:16 Shin_Gouki wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2012 12:08 FabledIntegral wrote:On October 11 2012 11:19 Shin_Gouki wrote:On October 11 2012 07:48 Klondikebar wrote:On October 11 2012 05:27 dAPhREAk wrote:On October 11 2012 05:24 shizaep wrote:On October 11 2012 05:23 Olinim wrote:On October 11 2012 05:18 shizaep wrote:On October 11 2012 05:06 Olinim wrote:On October 11 2012 05:02 shizaep wrote:
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You say it's okay for people to stick for their views but right after you go on to say that it's okay for people to "boycott" or "punish" them for sharing these views, implying that it is, in fact, not okay to uphold these views.
If you thought it was okay for the BSA to uphold their views, you would let them be and not go on forums to criticize their beliefs because they are not like yours, which are obviously "correct". He probably means it's okay in the sense that they have a legal right to do that. Not that he won't criticize their backwards beliefs or boycott them because of it, just that he wouldn't try to pass a law about it or force them to change. Yes, if you think that these beliefs are "backwards", by all means go ahead, I commend you for sticking up for them. The BSA thinks that your beliefs are backwards and they can stand up for them too. I believe that if they want to, they can. Just because you share a belief about how society should function, doesn't necessarily mean it should function that way. Live your own life and let the BSA live theirs. Don't hate them for it and don't "boycott" them. Just disagree with them and leave them alone. Why? Part of sticking up for my beliefs is not supporting (boycotting) people that discriminate against gays. Don't tell me who I should or shouldn't hate. If you hate people who aren't pro-homosexuality, then by the same logic, people who aren't pro-homosexuality have every right to do the same to you. agreed wholeheartedly. I do not understand why we let such horrible logic slip by. Being Christian is a choice. Being gay is not a choice. Your choices can be criticized and ridiculed. Things that are not your choice cannot. If you choose to believe that 2+2 = 6 then I can call you stupid and laugh at you. I cannot laugh at someone for being born black or blonde. Wait, I have a question. Can you link me to a good study where it deems homosexuality isn't a choice? I've read many different studies which contradict each other. Yes, Christianity, as well as any religion is a choice. However, in my mind, I believe your gender orientation is also a choice. There isn't a gene that makes you like one sex over the other from my understanding. Why the fuck would anyone want to be homosexual? So many adolescents commit suicide because they hate the fact they are homosexual. The suicide rate for homosexual teens is astronomically higher, as I just verified from 3 different scientific studies on google. Why would a man want to be homosexual? Well the obvious answer to that question is: He's not attracted to females. The reason why some people hate their orientation is because we as a society treat them harshly. Has anyone seen the movie "Prayer's for Bobby" because I think that's a good example of why the suicide rate is high in our country. Not to mention, the bullying if people find out you're homosexual, etc. I've also googled many studies, but that doesn't mean the references are always good. The date the studies took place is a good factor to consider as well as who funded the study. The problem in general is, I don't know who's being more biased towards what. I'm reading something from Discovery magazine. If anyone wants to read it I'll put it as a spoiler, but it's a 4 page read it looks like. + Show Spoiler +http://discovermagazine.com/2007/jun/born-gay/article_view?b_start:int=0&-C=
What? That's not wanting to be homosexual. Homosexuality means you prefer your own sex over the opposite sex. Clearly, the ones committing suicide wish they did NOT prefer the same sex over the opposite sex. Or you know, they wouldn't be super friggin' depressed.
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On October 11 2012 12:30 apoch wrote:
most people these days condone tolerance completely and totally but are the exact opposite when it comes to tolerating intolerance. Boy scouts is a private organization and they can do what they see fit. If you say you are so tolerant how about you show it by being tolerant of this private organizations beliefs
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Tolerate my intolerance! And give us federal aid!
But seriously that isn't an argument. I support the BSA's right to discriminate against gays wholeheartedly. However that means they should not receive any government benefits whatsoever. They do. Thus they are under the scrutiny of the public.
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On October 11 2012 11:15 micronesia wrote:
173.231.136.216 United States New York New York City Voxel Dot Net Inc.
How you determine what country this website is from, I'm not sure.
Making fun of people because they hold what you think to be dumb ideas is very questionable though. You aren't exactly making the world a better place if you know what I mean.
Actually, they hold demonstrably dumb ideas and everyone should feel free to make as much fun of them as they want.
Anyway, anyone who thinks being gay is a choice should do one (or more) of the following:
Ask yourself if you chose to be attracted to the opposite sex. When did you choose this? Can you revert it by sheer willpower and suddenly become attracted to the same sex?
Ask a homosexual if they chose their sexual orientation.
Ask yourself why, in a world so filled with homophobic morons, anyone would willingly choose to be hated and persecuted by so many people. Why would a high-school kid being bullied every day for being gay not just simply start being attracted to women? Why would anyone kill themselves over something they can so easily just change?
Also, as has been said, private organisations can do whatever they want, but if they get government support there is a big issue here.
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On October 11 2012 12:58 Jormundr wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2012 12:30 apoch wrote:
most people these days condone tolerance completely and totally but are the exact opposite when it comes to tolerating intolerance. Boy scouts is a private organization and they can do what they see fit. If you say you are so tolerant how about you show it by being tolerant of this private organizations beliefs Tolerate my intolerance! And give us federal aid! But seriously that isn't an argument. I support the BSA's right to discriminate against gays wholeheartedly. However that means they should not receive any government benefits whatsoever. They do. Thus they are under the scrutiny of the public.
you have to tolerate intolerance... that's part of being an american and having freedom to believe whatever you want
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On October 11 2012 13:32 apoch wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2012 12:58 Jormundr wrote:On October 11 2012 12:30 apoch wrote:
most people these days condone tolerance completely and totally but are the exact opposite when it comes to tolerating intolerance. Boy scouts is a private organization and they can do what they see fit. If you say you are so tolerant how about you show it by being tolerant of this private organizations beliefs Tolerate my intolerance! And give us federal aid! But seriously that isn't an argument. I support the BSA's right to discriminate against gays wholeheartedly. However that means they should not receive any government benefits whatsoever. They do. Thus they are under the scrutiny of the public. you have to tolerate intolerance... that's part of being an american and having freedom to believe whatever you want
except they use taxpayer money for their benefit, so no you don't have to tolerate them.
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