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Cele
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Germany4016 Posts
August 11 2012 00:33 GMT
#41
If i were US citizen, i´d be protesting tomorrow in Washington D.C. And i don´t mean this as a phrase to express my anger, but as an appeal. Indignez-vous!
Broodwar for life!
hypercube
Profile Joined April 2010
Hungary2735 Posts
August 11 2012 00:34 GMT
#42
On August 11 2012 09:29 TotalNightmare wrote:
Well I think there is something missing in the OP and for now I will just put the poll here:

I did my best to add every option that was necessary, maybe I even suceeded. If it gets added to the OP feel free to add options.
I myself am hardly surprised. As soon as the technology to do something is there, it gets done.
The real question is (At least for me): Will it stay?


Wrong question. You should be asking if people support it or not.
"Sending people in rockets to other planets is a waste of money better spent on sending rockets into people on this planet."
monitor
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2409 Posts
August 11 2012 00:36 GMT
#43
On August 11 2012 09:34 hypercube wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2012 09:29 TotalNightmare wrote:
Well I think there is something missing in the OP and for now I will just put the poll here:

I did my best to add every option that was necessary, maybe I even suceeded. If it gets added to the OP feel free to add options.
I myself am hardly surprised. As soon as the technology to do something is there, it gets done.
The real question is (At least for me): Will it stay?


Wrong question. You should be asking if people support it or not.


I don't support it! I'm not sure I even want to see the results if people support it or not though~
https://liquipedia.net/starcraft2/Monitor
phiinix
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1169 Posts
August 11 2012 00:37 GMT
#44
I'm never sure how I feel when I read these kinds of posts. Like sure it sucks to not have as much privacy as you'd like, but what really can you do about it?
TotalNightmare
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Germany139 Posts
August 11 2012 00:38 GMT
#45
On August 11 2012 09:34 hypercube wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2012 09:29 TotalNightmare wrote:
Well I think there is something missing in the OP and for now I will just put the poll here:

I did my best to add every option that was necessary, maybe I even suceeded. If it gets added to the OP feel free to add options.
I myself am hardly surprised. As soon as the technology to do something is there, it gets done.
The real question is (At least for me): Will it stay?


Wrong question. You should be asking if people support it or not.

How could any sane person support this kind of police state?
Sure, we're talking about the USA, the biggest pile of patriots on this planet, a country that doesnt even have a propper school system but that doesnt stop people from wanting to be free and all that right?
I highly doubt that there are more than 10% of people that are stupid enough to think this is good.

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"That's like somone walking into YOUR house and putting a plant down on the table and starting to water it. While he shoots you with a gun!" - Day9
emythrel
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United Kingdom2599 Posts
August 11 2012 00:42 GMT
#46
On August 11 2012 09:33 AgentChaos wrote:
lol i bet uk doesnt have this shit (we are too poor)


even if we did, what does it matter?

Is everyone who is worried about "being spied on" so self deluded to think that their government or anyone that doesn't know them directly could give a flying fuck what they do? I certainly am not. My government couldn't care less what I'm doing unless I am doing one of the following:

1) Breaking laws
2) Not paying taxes

Monitor me all you want, if I get caught doing something I shouldn't have been doing in the first place then I have no one but myself to blame.

Its the same old story, every generation since time began has felt oppressed by their government and every previous generation tells them how it was better in the old days, just like when older people say "kids respected their elders in my day" its all bullshit... it was exactly the same, just with worse technology.

Please get it through your heads, no one cares what you do unless you are doing something wrong. If cameras and datamining help deter, prevent or catch people breaking laws then they are doing their job and those who stay within the law have nothing to fear. The old "slippery slope" argument is beyond stupid, the government can't arrest you for staying within the law and if they did, YOU HAVE THE VIDEO EVIDENCE TO PROVE YOURSELF INNOCENT since ofc they have everything on CCTV and backed up on fortified HDDs......
When there is nothing left to lose but your dignity, it is already gone.
JKM
Profile Joined November 2011
Denmark419 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-11 00:45:40
August 11 2012 00:42 GMT
#47
You people should check up on the camera's set up in London's olympic city. Facial recognition and enough cameras to more or less keep tabs on any person at any moment :-O.
It is scary times when we slowly give up more and more of our privacy in the name of security. It is a waste of money and can be abused by whoever has the authority.


I don't hope this thread will be littered with insane conspiracy diarrhea, these subjects sadly don't stay sober for long :-/.


Edit:
On August 11 2012 09:33 AgentChaos wrote:
lol i bet uk doesnt have this shit (we are too poor)


Don't the UK have the highest amount of cameras / citizen (atleast in London)? :-O.
1338, one upping 1337
Al Bundy
Profile Joined April 2010
7257 Posts
August 11 2012 00:43 GMT
#48
Taxpayers, stay free
o choro é livre
SgtCoDFish
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United Kingdom1520 Posts
August 11 2012 00:44 GMT
#49
Shit like this brings out the crazies on both sides of the coin. Some people take it too far and go all hippie "they're trying to police your thoughts, man!". Some don't go far enough "Who cares? They're just trying to protect us."

It's good to have a healthy suspicion of things like this, but if your opinion is polarised one way or the other it's probably... of little use.

My reaction to this is mostly negative; I don't think the benefits of the system (finding missing persons quicker, finding suspects quicker) are worth the trade off. This seems too invasive.
NeMeSiS3
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Canada2972 Posts
August 11 2012 00:44 GMT
#50

The problem is to many people just don't give a shit, they've been told what to do forever, why give a shit? Freedom doesn't just go away with the snap of a finger, its one terrorist attack so they can check your ball sack just incase you might be hiding a bomb, or one homicide so they keep tabs on everyone just incase. So now? Everyone prefers security over freedom, its pretty gross, but whatever right? What... ever...
FoTG fighting!
Kevan
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden2303 Posts
August 11 2012 00:45 GMT
#51
If this is as bad as it seems it's pretty bad. Something like this really only stops terrorism and it stops it even more if you don't let the public know about it. Right.. Maybe I should go and read up on some conspiracy theories or something.
SC2, rip in pepperinos
Whitewing
Profile Joined October 2010
United States7483 Posts
August 11 2012 00:45 GMT
#52
On August 11 2012 09:42 emythrel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2012 09:33 AgentChaos wrote:
lol i bet uk doesnt have this shit (we are too poor)


even if we did, what does it matter?

Is everyone who is worried about "being spied on" so self deluded to think that their government or anyone that doesn't know them directly could give a flying fuck what they do? I certainly am not. My government couldn't care less what I'm doing unless I am doing one of the following:

1) Breaking laws
2) Not paying taxes

Monitor me all you want, if I get caught doing something I shouldn't have been doing in the first place then I have no one but myself to blame.

Its the same old story, every generation since time began has felt oppressed by their government and every previous generation tells them how it was better in the old days, just like when older people say "kids respected their elders in my day" its all bullshit... it was exactly the same, just with worse technology.

Please get it through your heads, no one cares what you do unless you are doing something wrong. If cameras and datamining help deter, prevent or catch people breaking laws then they are doing their job and those who stay within the law have nothing to fear. The old "slippery slope" argument is beyond stupid, the government can't arrest you for staying within the law and if they did, YOU HAVE THE VIDEO EVIDENCE TO PROVE YOURSELF INNOCENT since ofc they have everything on CCTV and backed up on fortified HDDs......


And when the people in charge decide to abuse the power an authority you let them have without protest, what then? People should have a right to privacy.
Strategy"You know I fucking hate the way you play, right?" ~SC2John
DarkInfinity
Profile Joined July 2011
121 Posts
August 11 2012 00:46 GMT
#53
Wait, the cameras I see are recording data??? Great revelation again wikileaks...

Seriously wikileaks should just shut up, they've only caused trouble, and once again are trying to make a big deal out of nothing, that SECURITY cameras can record data on you should be pretty obvious, and if they see you buying bomb parts or dealing heroin, that is just as valid as if they catch you mugging someone. People shouldn't freak out when they're being monitored in public, that doesn't mean "HOLY **** 1984 is happening in my country!"
And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee!
acker
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2958 Posts
August 11 2012 00:47 GMT
#54
Most Americans will probably not care.

That's what disturbs me the most.
Flakes
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States3125 Posts
August 11 2012 00:48 GMT
#55
People really give our government too much credit. Usually when they hurt innocent civilians it's because of incompetency, not some evil master plan.

In America, it's the private corporations you have to watch out for.
acker
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2958 Posts
August 11 2012 00:50 GMT
#56
On August 11 2012 09:48 Flakes wrote:
People really give our government too much credit. Usually when they hurt innocent civilians it's because of incompetency, not some evil master plan.

Incompetence is usually more dangerous than evil, as evil tends towards pragmatism.
nennx
Profile Joined April 2010
United States310 Posts
August 11 2012 00:51 GMT
#57
public places are public
Sup
Warlock40
Profile Joined September 2011
601 Posts
August 11 2012 00:51 GMT
#58
On August 11 2012 09:47 acker wrote:
Most Americans will probably not care.

That's what disturbs me the most.


But why should they?
ilikeredheads
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada1995 Posts
August 11 2012 00:51 GMT
#59
Freedom isn't free. The US government is there to serve large private corporations, not the general public.
Whitewing
Profile Joined October 2010
United States7483 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-11 00:53:07
August 11 2012 00:52 GMT
#60
On August 11 2012 09:46 DarkInfinity wrote:
Wait, the cameras I see are recording data??? Great revelation again wikileaks...

Seriously wikileaks should just shut up, they've only caused trouble, and once again are trying to make a big deal out of nothing, that SECURITY cameras can record data on you should be pretty obvious, and if they see you buying bomb parts or dealing heroin, that is just as valid as if they catch you mugging someone. People shouldn't freak out when they're being monitored in public, that doesn't mean "HOLY **** 1984 is happening in my country!"


It's not the fact that the cameras are monitoring you, it's who the cameras are sending the data too, and what they are doing with it -_-.
Strategy"You know I fucking hate the way you play, right?" ~SC2John
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