EPTWikileaks reveals global Surveillance system - Page 3
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Cele
Germany4016 Posts
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hypercube
Hungary2735 Posts
On August 11 2012 09:29 TotalNightmare wrote: Well I think there is something missing in the OP and for now I will just put the poll here: I did my best to add every option that was necessary, maybe I even suceeded. If it gets added to the OP feel free to add options. I myself am hardly surprised. As soon as the technology to do something is there, it gets done. The real question is (At least for me): Will it stay? Wrong question. You should be asking if people support it or not. | ||
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monitor
United States2402 Posts
On August 11 2012 09:34 hypercube wrote: Wrong question. You should be asking if people support it or not. I don't support it! I'm not sure I even want to see the results if people support it or not though~ | ||
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phiinix
United States1169 Posts
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TotalNightmare
Germany139 Posts
On August 11 2012 09:34 hypercube wrote: Wrong question. You should be asking if people support it or not. How could any sane person support this kind of police state? Sure, we're talking about the USA, the biggest pile of patriots on this planet, a country that doesnt even have a propper school system but that doesnt stop people from wanting to be free and all that right? I highly doubt that there are more than 10% of people that are stupid enough to think this is good. User was warned for this post | ||
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emythrel
United Kingdom2599 Posts
On August 11 2012 09:33 AgentChaos wrote: lol i bet uk doesnt have this shit (we are too poor) even if we did, what does it matter? Is everyone who is worried about "being spied on" so self deluded to think that their government or anyone that doesn't know them directly could give a flying fuck what they do? I certainly am not. My government couldn't care less what I'm doing unless I am doing one of the following: 1) Breaking laws 2) Not paying taxes Monitor me all you want, if I get caught doing something I shouldn't have been doing in the first place then I have no one but myself to blame. Its the same old story, every generation since time began has felt oppressed by their government and every previous generation tells them how it was better in the old days, just like when older people say "kids respected their elders in my day" its all bullshit... it was exactly the same, just with worse technology. Please get it through your heads, no one cares what you do unless you are doing something wrong. If cameras and datamining help deter, prevent or catch people breaking laws then they are doing their job and those who stay within the law have nothing to fear. The old "slippery slope" argument is beyond stupid, the government can't arrest you for staying within the law and if they did, YOU HAVE THE VIDEO EVIDENCE TO PROVE YOURSELF INNOCENT since ofc they have everything on CCTV and backed up on fortified HDDs...... | ||
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JKM
Denmark419 Posts
It is scary times when we slowly give up more and more of our privacy in the name of security. It is a waste of money and can be abused by whoever has the authority. I don't hope this thread will be littered with insane conspiracy diarrhea, these subjects sadly don't stay sober for long :-/. Edit: On August 11 2012 09:33 AgentChaos wrote: lol i bet uk doesnt have this shit (we are too poor) Don't the UK have the highest amount of cameras / citizen (atleast in London)? :-O. | ||
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Al Bundy
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SgtCoDFish
United Kingdom1520 Posts
It's good to have a healthy suspicion of things like this, but if your opinion is polarised one way or the other it's probably... of little use. My reaction to this is mostly negative; I don't think the benefits of the system (finding missing persons quicker, finding suspects quicker) are worth the trade off. This seems too invasive. | ||
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NeMeSiS3
Canada2972 Posts
The problem is to many people just don't give a shit, they've been told what to do forever, why give a shit? Freedom doesn't just go away with the snap of a finger, its one terrorist attack so they can check your ball sack just incase you might be hiding a bomb, or one homicide so they keep tabs on everyone just incase. So now? Everyone prefers security over freedom, its pretty gross, but whatever right? What... ever... | ||
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Kevan
Sweden2303 Posts
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Whitewing
United States7483 Posts
On August 11 2012 09:42 emythrel wrote: even if we did, what does it matter? Is everyone who is worried about "being spied on" so self deluded to think that their government or anyone that doesn't know them directly could give a flying fuck what they do? I certainly am not. My government couldn't care less what I'm doing unless I am doing one of the following: 1) Breaking laws 2) Not paying taxes Monitor me all you want, if I get caught doing something I shouldn't have been doing in the first place then I have no one but myself to blame. Its the same old story, every generation since time began has felt oppressed by their government and every previous generation tells them how it was better in the old days, just like when older people say "kids respected their elders in my day" its all bullshit... it was exactly the same, just with worse technology. Please get it through your heads, no one cares what you do unless you are doing something wrong. If cameras and datamining help deter, prevent or catch people breaking laws then they are doing their job and those who stay within the law have nothing to fear. The old "slippery slope" argument is beyond stupid, the government can't arrest you for staying within the law and if they did, YOU HAVE THE VIDEO EVIDENCE TO PROVE YOURSELF INNOCENT since ofc they have everything on CCTV and backed up on fortified HDDs...... And when the people in charge decide to abuse the power an authority you let them have without protest, what then? People should have a right to privacy. | ||
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DarkInfinity
121 Posts
Seriously wikileaks should just shut up, they've only caused trouble, and once again are trying to make a big deal out of nothing, that SECURITY cameras can record data on you should be pretty obvious, and if they see you buying bomb parts or dealing heroin, that is just as valid as if they catch you mugging someone. People shouldn't freak out when they're being monitored in public, that doesn't mean "HOLY **** 1984 is happening in my country!" | ||
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acker
United States2958 Posts
That's what disturbs me the most. | ||
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Flakes
United States3125 Posts
In America, it's the private corporations you have to watch out for. | ||
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acker
United States2958 Posts
On August 11 2012 09:48 Flakes wrote: People really give our government too much credit. Usually when they hurt innocent civilians it's because of incompetency, not some evil master plan. Incompetence is usually more dangerous than evil, as evil tends towards pragmatism. | ||
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nennx
United States310 Posts
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Warlock40
601 Posts
On August 11 2012 09:47 acker wrote: Most Americans will probably not care. That's what disturbs me the most. But why should they? | ||
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ilikeredheads
Canada1995 Posts
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Whitewing
United States7483 Posts
On August 11 2012 09:46 DarkInfinity wrote: Wait, the cameras I see are recording data??? Great revelation again wikileaks... Seriously wikileaks should just shut up, they've only caused trouble, and once again are trying to make a big deal out of nothing, that SECURITY cameras can record data on you should be pretty obvious, and if they see you buying bomb parts or dealing heroin, that is just as valid as if they catch you mugging someone. People shouldn't freak out when they're being monitored in public, that doesn't mean "HOLY **** 1984 is happening in my country!" It's not the fact that the cameras are monitoring you, it's who the cameras are sending the data too, and what they are doing with it -_-. | ||
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