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Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
August 11 2012 01:03 GMT
#81
On August 11 2012 10:01 Ketara wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2012 09:56 Djzapz wrote:
On August 11 2012 09:48 Flakes wrote:
People really give our government too much credit. Usually when they hurt innocent civilians it's because of incompetency, not some evil master plan.

In America, it's the private corporations you have to watch out for.

That's a nice slogan to include in a pamphlet but it's not entirely true. Sure it's not an evil master plan, but individuals with varying degrees of power (ranging from small times bureaucrats and police offers to governors, congressmen and sometimes the president) are fully capable of doing deeply immoral things. Of course, it's not necessarily part of an overarching scheme. The government of the US is responsible for all kinds of atrocities.

And with a machine as big and complex as the US, sometimes incompetence is just as damaging as evil.

On August 11 2012 09:54 Ketara wrote:
On August 11 2012 09:33 Cele wrote:
If i were US citizen, i´d be protesting tomorrow in Washington D.C. And i don´t mean this as a phrase to express my anger, but as an appeal. Indignez-vous!


Wouldn't that be great. The day after this news breaks out, trillions of dollars are made by US corporate industry as everybody buys plane tickets to Washington D.C.

Would be nice to do an online protest, like we did for SOPA.

Trillions of dollars in a day? That's adorable u liek a littul puppy awh<<333


Well lets see. 350 million citizens in the US. Cost of flying to Washington DC and getting a cheap place to stay for a night on short notice is probably 500-600 dollars as a rough estimate. Really it would be more, as the prices would skyrocket as everyone buys tickets.

That would be several hundred billion dollars as a conservative estimate.

Not to mention it was a joke, and you are a hateful person with no sense of humor.

It wasn't hateful, I like puppies. But if you'll talk about the numbers, you need enough planes for all those people, and then you need to land those planes somewhere ^^
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
Psychonian
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2322 Posts
August 11 2012 01:05 GMT
#82
Holy jesus.

I hope this isn't real. If it is, well honestly I'm not surprised. Big Brother is watching..
Trans Rights
NeMeSiS3
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Canada2972 Posts
August 11 2012 01:06 GMT
#83
"One day, somebody's gonna have to make a stand. One day, somebody's gonna have to say enough."
FoTG fighting!
CajunMan
Profile Joined July 2010
United States823 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-11 01:10:38
August 11 2012 01:09 GMT
#84
As long as this is public and not spying on people in the people's private homes it doesn't really matter for the most part.
Roe
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada6002 Posts
August 11 2012 01:12 GMT
#85
On August 11 2012 10:09 CajunMan wrote:
As long as this is public and not spying on people in the people's private homes it doesn't really matter for the most part.

You feel that your rights should evaporate as soon as you leave the house?
Hall0wed
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States8486 Posts
August 11 2012 01:15 GMT
#86
Sweet that means the US knows that I am one of the greatest people ever.
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Chocolate
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2350 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-11 01:21:26
August 11 2012 01:15 GMT
#87
On August 11 2012 09:54 McFeser wrote:
What the fuck is this about?
+ Show Spoiler +
From: davidharvey13th@yahoo.com
Date: April 14, 2009 3:25:30 AM CDT
To: responses@stratfor.com
Subject: [Analytical & Intelligence Comments] RE: Cuba
Reply-To: Responses List

David Harvey sent a message using the contact form at
https://www.stratfor.com/contact.
Dear Richard, I always wondered what the fuss was about in Cuba, now I
know. Much like Ireland was to England and France. However, I am not
worried about the wars of other countries as they are all controlled by
the
foreign rich trillionaire bankers of the Rothchild's Illuminati, to kill
6.2 of 6.7 billion of the world's population to leave the rich 500
million
slaves, in the name of Sustainable Development. Now that really
concerns
me that our government, which was elected to defend us against
foreigners
attacking us and charging custom and duty taxes to foreigners, is going
to
use laws created by the Illuminati to give up our sovereignty as a
nation
and as states in order to kill us by fraudulent claims of a bird flu
virus
that was benign to humans as an excuse to murder 80% of the US
population.
On another topic, what is your analysis on the Rothchild's Illuminati,
Bilderberg Group, Trilateral Commission, and Council of Foreign
Relations,
in their efforts to form a One World Government or New World Order, by
controlling the US and all its citizens through the bought and paid for
politicians by means of the lobbyists of corporations, the DHS, the IRS,
the DIS, the Dept of Treasury, the Federal Reserve Board - a private
foreign bank of Rothchild's Illuminati? They have taken the dollar off
the
gold standard in order to inflate and deflate the dollar and thereby
creating overt an covert taxation, which will have the knock on effect
of
causing recessions and depressions, causing bankruptcies, foreclosures,
gas
crisis, housing crisis, credit crisis, which all involve a national
security risk of immense proportions. They must break a few eggs to
make
an omelet, or in others words, they must ruin all national governments,
including the US, in order for the Illuminati to take over the world's
countries and make them into the One World Government, One World
Religion,
and One World Monetary System do that they can control all the world's
people.
Either way, the FEMA will use some natural or man-made excuse to declare
martial law, deport all of American's citizens to go to detention camps,
and be forced to take this weaponized vaccine to kill us off, one way or
another.
Already I have obtained 1000 military manuals of the US from
www.spectergroup.com at $18 in order to know my enemy, see how they
think,
and avoid, escape or evade them by some means, such as heading for the
hills as the Jews and Cherokees did, or by going to another country
before
all hell breaks loose. I plan to use such military manuals to live off
the
land, (survival) apart from the dollar dominated government that wishes
to
subjugate us by denying us freedom, food, health care and other
benefits,
necessary in today's modern world.
If the epidemic or natural disaster does not take down the US citizens,
the war between the foodless, homeless, jobless (have-nots) against the
stores and businesses (haves) will surely call FEMA to declare Martial
Law.
Either way we are screwed one and all.
I am sure you have read the Baxter Pharmaceuticals have attempted to
cause
the weaponized Avian Flu Virus to be released in six European Countries
in
order to cause an epidemic that would give rise for FEMA to cut off all
transportation and declare Martial Law as a consequence.
Then we have the Executive Branch assuming powers that they do not have
under the US Constitution and the Legislative branch kowtowing to the
President's threat of Martial Law, the the Judicial Branch making law
from
the bench.
I would be most interested in your take in all this. Also, which
country
should a real patriot go to in order to avoid the coming financial,
man-made avian flu virus epidemic, now that H5N1 has been modified with
the
human virus H1N3 to become weaponized, which with the Model State
Medical
Emergency Powers Act of 2008 by Bush, would force all Americans, by FEMA
declaring Martial Law to be deported to detention centers for
involuntary
vaccination or face unlimited quarantine and forfeiture of all property
and
at the point of guns from our own anti-Posse Comitatus military.
Why for God's sake is no one screaming at the top of their lungs and the
impending Tsunami that is before us and try to amorealate the
consequences
of it before it happens? Am I the only conspiracy theory wacko that
foresees all this? What say you to this?
I am truly sorry I cannot afford to subscribe to your excellent info, as
a
totally and permanently disabled vet, who is 21K below the poverty
level. But I do pay attention to all you have said and I do tell others
of it. Afterall, if there is anyone who could pull our fat out of the
fire, it
would be the Watchman on the Tower as in Ezekiel 3:17-21, (YOU), to
allow
those trained or who wish to be trained and led out of this impending
morass of doom against an Axis and Empire of World Evil, the
Rothchild's,
UN New World Order. We cannot stop them, but maybe we could slow them
down
a little to give others a chance to run to the hills, as the FEMA led
goons
will imprison all the citizens in 48 hours from declaraion of martial
law.
David Harvey
Vietnam Vet, Paralegal, ex-LE, & Christian Patriot
Columbus, Ohio, USA, formerly Odessa Ukraine where I wrote to you
before.
Source: http://us.mg1.mail.yahoo.com/dc/launch?.gx=1&.rand=eanqhla5ji6t9

It's pretty obvious. Some retarded conspiracy theorist who likes to post on the internet decided to send them an email. By simply googling his email account I found another "conspiracy" deal on this really shitty blog. He says
So true, but you have only scratched the surface of the liars, the thieves,

the illegal yet legal business deals, political buy-ins and pay offs.

Bascically the Jewish banksters are the ants and we are the aphids they milk the sugar water from,

and the rose we live on is at their behest.

We are slaves and have no right to property.

The police are there to protect the property of the rich, not the rights of the poor.

We are screwed,

I can’t wait to see this world end with Jesus returns.


Actually, it's quite cool how easy it is to find information on someone just by using an email address. From viewing his yahoo profile, I found out he lives in Columbus, OH. I'm sure I could find his telephone number and adress after a bit more of searching because this guy seems to be incredibly prolific across the web.

Found more information: this guy is too brave with his postings on the net. I found his IP address where I also found this
My name is David Harvey. I live in Columbus, Ohio. I am married and 56 years old. I too have been in a terrible accident. The truth from the US Air Force that I broke my nose, damaged my brain, and broke my neck was hidden from me for 32 years. I have many health problems from this accident in a car. Thank God I do have a loving wife and I did not die trying to save my first wife’s life, but I was not recommended for promotion or re-enlistment.

The last thing you need is to be bereft of all friends and family. I wish to be your email friend. If you need a friend, I am here at [BLANKED OUT BY ADMINISTRATOR]

When we die, all we have left to take with us is our good name, and the love of our friends and family. We cannot dwell on the past and must accept those things we cannot change. But the best weapon is the mighty pen or in this case the internet. I once had a beautiful wife, 3 kids, and a good job, now I have no material possessions to speak of, 25 medications to take a day, I suffer in pain daily, and I do have a new and loving wife.

You and I have the time to sort out the truth by the Internet and by prayer and some common sense. I have sold the TV as I do not wish to be brain washed by the bankers propaganda. I have spent my time searching for the absolute truth of Bible and how that relates to the news on the Internet, and I find that they do relate positively.

We are slaves of the system and most do not even see or understand it.

It is our task with the time we have left to educate the masses as to their truth situation of enslavement, but the powers that own the gold. The Golden Rule is, “He that has the gold makes the rules.” By this rule they rule supreme over us as they have stolen our birth right from God to be free, independent, and have liberty from men’s rule as subjects of the one and true God. They wish to be our God, and we cannot give in to this. Better dead than red or a vassal of a banker or politician who has no morales.

I do believe we are on the same page.

I read your article about your muscle car and could heartily relate to it. I felt the same about my 750 cc Kawasake with a racing ignition and full Vetter fairing.

I once was strong, a body builder, with a 140 IQ and a near photographic memory, but now my memory is like Swiss chese and comes and goes and now only have a 100 IQ. The miltiary which caused my accident has for 32 years denied my injuries as they do not want to pay out for such.

The pain from my injuries has affected my sleep patterns, I have none, my ability to think, recall, remember, organize, and act emotionally appropriate. I have PTSD and TBI, they will not give to me the TBI diagnosis, but I do have such by the symptoms alone. I am extremely sensitive to pain now and that requires many drugs, which have terrible side effects and further damages my body. I pray to God each day that he will promote me to glory, but few can see my internal injuries, nor do they connect they with my accident. By calling me a liar they have stolen my honor and intergrity. I have lost all my blood family, my former wife and our 3 kids due to this accident and my ability to work gainfully. This is a huge loss to my self esteem. I could walk 5 to 10 miles, but my heart has had 3 heart attacks, 2 heart failures and one kidney failure, due to the high blood pressure and diabetes as a result of the pain and lack of sleep, and major depression.

I want you to know, you are not alone in this world. I too see the the lies and evil doings of the Illuminati to make our free countries into slave camps. I feel helpless to address this. I am unable to fight them physically or live on my own without their damn drugs, insulin, pain pills, sleeping pills, anti-depression pills, heart pills and so forth. For if I did, they could cut me off as they will surely do when the Universal Health Care take full effect, since I am over 50 years old and do not work, I am a useless eater according to Hitler.

I have read several of your articles and agree with all that I have read. Keep on doing as you are doing, venting your anger at these bums is the first step of getting well emotionally. Informing the public is one way of taking back your life and preventing such from happening to others.

It is a shame you do not have the love and affection of a wife and kids to aid you in this matter, but even if you did, as I had, they might have left you, being that pain and depression can put others who love you off.

I will pray for you my friend and hope you will do so for me, for the Great Physician can be of assistance in healing and adjusting our feelings and reactions to this. It is this hope in God that gets me through each and every day or I would have finished the job they started on me long ago.

I guess it all boils down to the fact that he is upset with the government for not giving him what he wants, so he has turned to conspiracy theories like so many other people that hate or fear the government. It's incredibly cool how much information you can find out about someone with a simple email address: no wonder anyone with basic knowledge of computers and the internet can be so influential.
ireverie
Profile Joined June 2012
Russian Federation19 Posts
August 11 2012 01:15 GMT
#88
Everyone who is referring to the 1984 here clearly never finished it or just simply did not understand a single sentence I suppose. Also, all the master plans of world destruction/occupation are not true for one simple reason. If US wanted every possible resource they would've already occupied Saudi Arabia, Canada and every other country that they want.

gg wp
GenghisKhan
Profile Joined May 2012
United Kingdom68 Posts
August 11 2012 01:16 GMT
#89
On August 11 2012 09:51 ilikeredheads wrote:
Freedom isn't free. The US government is there to serve large private corporations, not the general public.



Since when was freedom not free...? That definitely makes no sense.
The problem with the world is that fools are full of certainty, and wise men are full of doubt.
Heh_
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Singapore2712 Posts
August 11 2012 01:18 GMT
#90
Not surprising. Even if you record everything, how are you gonna manage all the data? The average Joe shouldn't be too worried because there's simply not enough manpower to keep close tabs on everyone. There could be some interception of keywords in emails and calls like "bomb" for example, but that will create a ton of false positives and any unsavory elements can cover up their tracks too..

To understand the logistics of this, think about the 7/7 London bombings. The UK authorities spent thousands of man-hours to trawl through CCTV footage of the terrorists. This was only possible because the CCTV footage was recent, and they had an idea of who the targets were. If you store months, or even years, worth of discreetly-gathered information, how do you know where to start looking? That is, if you know where to look. Even with a "perfect" surveillance system, you can't catch every potential criminal/terrorist.
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Cutlery
Profile Joined December 2010
Norway565 Posts
August 11 2012 01:18 GMT
#91
On August 11 2012 09:42 emythrel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2012 09:33 AgentChaos wrote:
lol i bet uk doesnt have this shit (we are too poor)


even if we did, what does it matter?

Is everyone who is worried about "being spied on" so self deluded to think that their government or anyone that doesn't know them directly could give a flying fuck what they do? I certainly am not. My government couldn't care less what I'm doing unless I am doing one of the following:

1) Breaking laws
2) Not paying taxes

Monitor me all you want, if I get caught doing something I shouldn't have been doing in the first place then I have no one but myself to blame.

Its the same old story, every generation since time began has felt oppressed by their government and every previous generation tells them how it was better in the old days, just like when older people say "kids respected their elders in my day" its all bullshit... it was exactly the same, just with worse technology.

Please get it through your heads, no one cares what you do unless you are doing something wrong. If cameras and datamining help deter, prevent or catch people breaking laws then they are doing their job and those who stay within the law have nothing to fear. The old "slippery slope" argument is beyond stupid, the government can't arrest you for staying within the law and if they did, YOU HAVE THE VIDEO EVIDENCE TO PROVE YOURSELF INNOCENT since ofc they have everything on CCTV and backed up on fortified HDDs......


So you know the law inside out, do ya? -_- Everybody is doing something wrong. Maybe not every day, but every now and then. Often without even knowing it. And then what if you become a public figure, and suddenly all sorts of shit about you is leaked -_-

Horrendous.

The "spying" isn't neccesarily bad. It all comes down to what it is used for. To use it to stop terrorism is argueable ok. anything else is just wrong and immoral and, in many countries, illegal. Cause you have privacy rights. I wouldn't sign over these rights any time soon.
StorkHwaiting
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States3465 Posts
August 11 2012 01:19 GMT
#92
Since before the French Revolution? Freedom has always been paid for with blood. There's no such thing as inherent rights. People earn them by force of arms.
multiversed
Profile Joined December 2010
United States233 Posts
August 11 2012 01:19 GMT
#93
On August 11 2012 10:15 ireverie wrote:
Everyone who is referring to the 1984 here clearly never finished it or just simply did not understand a single sentence I suppose. Also, all the master plans of world destruction/occupation are not true for one simple reason. If US wanted every possible resource they would've already occupied Saudi Arabia, Canada and every other country that they want.

gg wp

shh, the neckbeards are talking.
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NeMeSiS3
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Canada2972 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-11 01:26:22
August 11 2012 01:25 GMT
#94
On August 11 2012 10:19 StorkHwaiting wrote:
Since before the French Revolution? Freedom has always been paid for with blood. There's no such thing as inherent rights. People earn them by force of arms.


The only thing true about freedom is that it is almost completely defined by ones own perspective, there is no true census on freedom. Someone who is muslim might think freedom is one thing but require women to wear burkas (which is not free at all in the sense of decision making etc) where we look at that and frown, same applies for us though as we go to the airport.

Security =/= freedom.

"he power or right to act, speak, or think as one wants without hindrance or restraint."

If you think we exist as such, you are not looking very objectively or very hard, though that being said some forms of freedom aren't very good and I'd prefer not to live in the medieval ages.

I guess my opinion is that freedom should never go as far as to inflict on someone elses freedom, such that I should be able to do as I please as long as it isn't taking away your free choices. I dunno, to be frank it's all very confusing but in all honesty I believe we have a long long long way to go before we even see any forms of actual "freedom".

On August 11 2012 10:19 multiversed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2012 10:15 ireverie wrote:
Everyone who is referring to the 1984 here clearly never finished it or just simply did not understand a single sentence I suppose. Also, all the master plans of world destruction/occupation are not true for one simple reason. If US wanted every possible resource they would've already occupied Saudi Arabia, Canada and every other country that they want.

gg wp

shh, the neckbeards are talking.


I think the best part is "if they wanted every possible resource they would've already occupied etc etc.". This guy needs a different flavor of Kool-aid.
FoTG fighting!
Trowa127
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1230 Posts
August 11 2012 01:25 GMT
#95
On August 11 2012 10:19 multiversed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2012 10:15 ireverie wrote:
Everyone who is referring to the 1984 here clearly never finished it or just simply did not understand a single sentence I suppose. Also, all the master plans of world destruction/occupation are not true for one simple reason. If US wanted every possible resource they would've already occupied Saudi Arabia, Canada and every other country that they want.

gg wp

shh, the neckbeards are talking.


Yes, because previous U.S + NATO experiences have shown that occupation is cheap.

Please.
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Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-11 01:27:28
August 11 2012 01:26 GMT
#96
On August 11 2012 10:19 multiversed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2012 10:15 ireverie wrote:
Everyone who is referring to the 1984 here clearly never finished it or just simply did not understand a single sentence I suppose. Also, all the master plans of world destruction/occupation are not true for one simple reason. If US wanted every possible resource they would've already occupied Saudi Arabia, Canada and every other country that they want.

gg wp

shh, the neckbeards are talking.

Why support him?
The idea that the US could occupy Saudi Arabia is ridiculous, and Canada even more so. Maybe in a vacuum?

The US has the military for it (well, Saudi Arabia has nuclear weapons so that's tricky) - but the US doesn't want the entire world to turn against it. That would suck.
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
Brett
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Australia3820 Posts
August 11 2012 01:29 GMT
#97
On August 11 2012 09:45 Whitewing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2012 09:42 emythrel wrote:
On August 11 2012 09:33 AgentChaos wrote:
lol i bet uk doesnt have this shit (we are too poor)


even if we did, what does it matter?

Is everyone who is worried about "being spied on" so self deluded to think that their government or anyone that doesn't know them directly could give a flying fuck what they do? I certainly am not. My government couldn't care less what I'm doing unless I am doing one of the following:

1) Breaking laws
2) Not paying taxes

Monitor me all you want, if I get caught doing something I shouldn't have been doing in the first place then I have no one but myself to blame.

Its the same old story, every generation since time began has felt oppressed by their government and every previous generation tells them how it was better in the old days, just like when older people say "kids respected their elders in my day" its all bullshit... it was exactly the same, just with worse technology.

Please get it through your heads, no one cares what you do unless you are doing something wrong. If cameras and datamining help deter, prevent or catch people breaking laws then they are doing their job and those who stay within the law have nothing to fear. The old "slippery slope" argument is beyond stupid, the government can't arrest you for staying within the law and if they did, YOU HAVE THE VIDEO EVIDENCE TO PROVE YOURSELF INNOCENT since ofc they have everything on CCTV and backed up on fortified HDDs......


And when the people in charge decide to abuse the power an authority you let them have without protest, what then? People should have a right to privacy.

You're in public... Some dolt on the street can follow you and record your every move if they want. And they don't need this system to do it. I think this is paranoia at its finest.
Chunhyang
Profile Joined December 2011
Bangladesh1389 Posts
August 11 2012 01:31 GMT
#98
Assange is sooooooo gonna die of "natural causes" soon
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TheWorldToCome
Profile Joined January 2012
United States452 Posts
August 11 2012 01:31 GMT
#99
But who watches the watchers?
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AdamBanks
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada996 Posts
August 11 2012 01:32 GMT
#100
On August 11 2012 10:15 ireverie wrote:
Everyone who is referring to the 1984 here clearly never finished it or just simply did not understand a single sentence I suppose. Also, all the master plans of world destruction/occupation are not true for one simple reason. If US wanted every possible resource they would've already occupied Saudi Arabia, Canada and every other country that they want.

gg wp



I think you vastly overestimate the ability of the us to occupy and control countries; as made apparent in recent wars.
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