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sekritzzz
Profile Joined December 2010
1515 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-11 00:13:05
August 11 2012 00:12 GMT
#21
On August 11 2012 09:06 Probe1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
According to STRATFOR sources, preliminary, unconfirmed information
on an unfolding attack Intercontinental Hotel in Kabul indicates that
militans stormed in force out of a vehicle after one suicide bomber
detonated a vest at the gate. Meanwhile rumors on the unfolding even
indicate at least two VBIEDs may be circling compound waiting to get in

Yes, yes I'll definitely sleep worse at night knowing the government has access to insidious information like..
terrorists plans.
....
Bring on the massive conspiracy theory thread!

On August 11 2012 09:03 Warlock40 wrote:
So what's the big deal here? Public surveillance?

Comments like this are actually even worst than what wikileaks revealed. I'm not picking on you guys in particular, but I mean that mentality. Selfish men with power will always abuse it for their own good. Always.
`Zapdos
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States935 Posts
August 11 2012 00:13 GMT
#22
On August 11 2012 09:06 Liquid`Drone wrote:
If true, how is this not big news? Global surveillance with facial recognition? You're fine with someone knowing where you are and what you're doing at every moment? There's absolutely no way any possible terrorist or other threat justifies this gross invasion of privacy, and that's that.

I don't have time to really investigate this now but based on OP, this is terrible, and the most important leak from wikileaks so far.

Thank god for a voice of reason in this thread..
www.twitch.tv/thezapdos come watch me :]
hifriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
China7935 Posts
August 11 2012 00:13 GMT
#23
According to the article, it sounds like it's in the US and not global.
arborealassassin
Profile Joined August 2012
3 Posts
August 11 2012 00:15 GMT
#24
I thought it was known that NSA (National Security Agency) was datamining most electronic data.


"So: those spooky new "circular" dark globe cameras installed in your neighborhood park, town, or city—they aren't just passively monitoring. They're plugged into Trapwire"

This seems a stretch to say every camera is linked. More likely that some cameras are linker. I find the data mining operations to be more concerning.
Meat is murder
kanada
Profile Joined May 2007
Canada255 Posts
August 11 2012 00:16 GMT
#25
Seems to me that the issue is never actually terrorism and is just the government using terrorism as an excuse to tighten their grip on society.
anrimayu
Profile Joined June 2011
United States875 Posts
August 11 2012 00:17 GMT
#26
On August 11 2012 09:06 Liquid`Drone wrote:
If true, how is this not big news? Global surveillance with facial recognition? You're fine with someone knowing where you are and what you're doing at every moment? There's absolutely no way any possible terrorist or other threat justifies this gross invasion of privacy, and that's that.

I don't have time to really investigate this now but based on OP, this is terrible, and the most important leak from wikileaks so far.


So it's kinda like owning an iPhone or using sns? It will save people lot of hassle from updating what they ate for lunch on facebook or tweeting what theyre doing every 2 min.
☆*:.。. o(≧▽≦)o .。.:*☆
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
August 11 2012 00:18 GMT
#27
On August 11 2012 09:12 sekritzzz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2012 09:06 Probe1 wrote:
According to STRATFOR sources, preliminary, unconfirmed information
on an unfolding attack Intercontinental Hotel in Kabul indicates that
militans stormed in force out of a vehicle after one suicide bomber
detonated a vest at the gate. Meanwhile rumors on the unfolding even
indicate at least two VBIEDs may be circling compound waiting to get in

Yes, yes I'll definitely sleep worse at night knowing the government has access to insidious information like..
terrorists plans.
....
Bring on the massive conspiracy theory thread!

Show nested quote +
On August 11 2012 09:03 Warlock40 wrote:
So what's the big deal here? Public surveillance?

Comments like this are actually even worst than what wikileaks revealed. I'm not picking on you guys in particular, but I mean that mentality. Selfish men with power will always abuse it for their own good. Always.

Yeah what I'm actually getting at is the post below yours-

On August 11 2012 09:15 arborealassassin wrote:
I thought it was known that NSA (National Security Agency) was datamining most electronic data.


"So: those spooky new "circular" dark globe cameras installed in your neighborhood park, town, or city—they aren't just passively monitoring. They're plugged into Trapwire"

This seems a stretch to say every camera is linked. More likely that some cameras are linker. I find the data mining operations to be more concerning.


Like any of this is new. Even though this is startling and I don't like it, I'm not going to tear down the government and tout that I'm saving everyone without some clear evidence that the government is doing something.. wrong.

I'm a hell of a lot more concerned about private businesses that are unaccountable to the public (for the most part) buying this information.
우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
sekritzzz
Profile Joined December 2010
1515 Posts
August 11 2012 00:18 GMT
#28
On August 11 2012 09:13 hifriend wrote:
According to the article, it sounds like it's in the US and not global.

I was also kind of unsure at first but I think its global. There is a few e-mails talking about different places such as London, Kabul, China and Albania.
hypercube
Profile Joined April 2010
Hungary2735 Posts
August 11 2012 00:19 GMT
#29
On August 11 2012 09:15 arborealassassin wrote:
I thought it was known that NSA (National Security Agency) was datamining most electronic data.


"So: those spooky new "circular" dark globe cameras installed in your neighborhood park, town, or city—they aren't just passively monitoring. They're plugged into Trapwire"

This seems a stretch to say every camera is linked. More likely that some cameras are linker. I find the data mining operations to be more concerning.


The big question is do private actors have access to that information? If I pay enough will they find out who leaked sensitive business information (or possibly the fact that my corporation was breaking some laws) ? Will they help me find anything to discredit them?
"Sending people in rockets to other planets is a waste of money better spent on sending rockets into people on this planet."
Oaky
Profile Joined August 2012
United States95 Posts
August 11 2012 00:20 GMT
#30
Doesnt really affect me i play starcraft all day, but in a general sense it seems pretty fucked up and makes me a little angry.

They need to mind theyre own business -.-
SOOOOOOO MANY BANELINGS!
Wegandi
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2455 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-11 00:23:33
August 11 2012 00:22 GMT
#31
This is nothing new.

http://www.democracynow.org/2012/3/21/exposed_inside_the_nsas_largest_and

Welcome to the Police/Prison State. If you are fine being a prisoner, being watched 24/7, everything you do, everywhere you go, everything you buy, to be intimidated for being against the State, etc. The USA has become one big plantation. So much for being the land of the free with the responses I've seen in this thread. Serfs....so so many serfs on these boards.

Then we have things like this:

http://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2012/08/court-blesses-nodemonstration-zone-at-rnc-131102.html

and, the ever militarizing of the 'police' if you can call them that anymore:

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

[image loading]


Don't you all just feel so much safer? Ready to protect, and serve the shit out of you.
Thank you bureaucrats for all your hard work, your commitment to public service and public good is essential to the lives of so many. Also, for Pete's sake can we please get some gun control already, no need for hand guns and assault rifles for the public
DannyJ
Profile Joined March 2010
United States5110 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-11 00:24:42
August 11 2012 00:24 GMT
#32
On the bright side at least this shows at least some government agencies aren't completely incompetent at what they do! Hooray devious intelligence agencies!
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
August 11 2012 00:25 GMT
#33
On August 11 2012 09:24 DannyJ wrote:
On the bright side at least this shows at least some government agencies aren't completely incompetent at what they do! Hooray devious intelligence agencies!

You know they're competent when immoral national security secrets leak?
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
DannyJ
Profile Joined March 2010
United States5110 Posts
August 11 2012 00:26 GMT
#34
On August 11 2012 09:25 Djzapz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2012 09:24 DannyJ wrote:
On the bright side at least this shows at least some government agencies aren't completely incompetent at what they do! Hooray devious intelligence agencies!

You know they're competent when immoral national security secrets leak?


crap...
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-11 00:30:51
August 11 2012 00:26 GMT
#35
On August 11 2012 09:22 Wegandi wrote:
This is nothing new.

http://www.democracynow.org/2012/3/21/exposed_inside_the_nsas_largest_and

Welcome to the Police/Prison State. If you are fine being a prisoner, being watched 24/7, everything you do, everywhere you go, everything you buy, to be intimidated for being against the State, etc. The USA has become one big plantation. So much for being the land of the free with the responses I've seen in this thread. Serfs....so so many serfs on these boards.

Then we have things like this:

http://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2012/08/court-blesses-nodemonstration-zone-at-rnc-131102.html

and, the ever militarizing of the 'police' if you can call them that anymore:

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

[image loading]


Don't you all just feel so much safer? Ready to protect, and serve the shit out of you.



lol what is this. I dont mind the police being properly equipped to handle modern combat considering that criminals can easily get assault rifles today.. what do you expect them to do?
Wegandi
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2455 Posts
August 11 2012 00:26 GMT
#36
On August 11 2012 09:16 kanada wrote:
Seems to me that the issue is never actually terrorism and is just the government using terrorism as an excuse to tighten their grip on society.


Reichstag anyone? When has this never not been the case? I would argue the case though that the issue is terrorism...the US Government and it's appendages are the terrorists and we need to be liberated from their tyranny...
Thank you bureaucrats for all your hard work, your commitment to public service and public good is essential to the lives of so many. Also, for Pete's sake can we please get some gun control already, no need for hand guns and assault rifles for the public
StorkHwaiting
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States3465 Posts
August 11 2012 00:27 GMT
#37
The sheep always think they're safe and nothing's the matter until they are the ones chosen for slaughter. Then comes the bah-ing. There's a reason the world is the way it is.
TotalNightmare
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Germany139 Posts
August 11 2012 00:29 GMT
#38
Well I think there is something missing in the OP and for now I will just put the poll here:
Poll: Are you surprised by this?

No, I always suspected it. (448)
 
70%

No and yes - I am not surprised but I never thought of it. (103)
 
16%

No, but I thought it wouldn't be that big. (52)
 
8%

Yes, and I am questioning how something like this could have been unobserved. (16)
 
3%

Yes and I still dont believe that this is actually true and not just hoax. (14)
 
2%

Yes, but I wonder how this could happen. (4)
 
1%

637 total votes

Your vote: Are you surprised by this?

(Vote): No, I always suspected it.
(Vote): No, but I thought it wouldn't be that big.
(Vote): No and yes - I am not surprised but I never thought of it.
(Vote): Yes, but I wonder how this could happen.
(Vote): Yes, and I am questioning how something like this could have been unobserved.
(Vote): Yes and I still dont believe that this is actually true and not just hoax.



I did my best to add every option that was necessary, maybe I even suceeded. If it gets added to the OP feel free to add options.
I myself am hardly surprised. As soon as the technology to do something is there, it gets done.
The real question is (At least for me): Will it stay?
"That's like somone walking into YOUR house and putting a plant down on the table and starting to water it. While he shoots you with a gun!" - Day9
Dimagus
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1004 Posts
August 11 2012 00:30 GMT
#39
There's too much information to monitor everyone. Hell, there's too much information about things you want them to monitor.

Collecting data is easy, identifying what data is important in a timely manner is the real technological challenge.
AgentChaos
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom4569 Posts
August 11 2012 00:33 GMT
#40
lol i bet uk doesnt have this shit (we are too poor)
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