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On August 11 2012 09:06 Probe1 wrote:Show nested quote +According to STRATFOR sources, preliminary, unconfirmed information
on an unfolding attack Intercontinental Hotel in Kabul indicates that
militans stormed in force out of a vehicle after one suicide bomber
detonated a vest at the gate. Meanwhile rumors on the unfolding even
indicate at least two VBIEDs may be circling compound waiting to get in Yes, yes I'll definitely sleep worse at night knowing the government has access to insidious information like.. terrorists plans. .... Bring on the massive conspiracy theory thread!
On August 11 2012 09:03 Warlock40 wrote:
So what's the big deal here? Public surveillance?
Comments like this are actually even worst than what wikileaks revealed. I'm not picking on you guys in particular, but I mean that mentality. Selfish men with power will always abuse it for their own good. Always.
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On August 11 2012 09:06 Liquid`Drone wrote:
If true, how is this not big news? Global surveillance with facial recognition? You're fine with someone knowing where you are and what you're doing at every moment? There's absolutely no way any possible terrorist or other threat justifies this gross invasion of privacy, and that's that.
I don't have time to really investigate this now but based on OP, this is terrible, and the most important leak from wikileaks so far.
Thank god for a voice of reason in this thread..
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According to the article, it sounds like it's in the US and not global.
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I thought it was known that NSA (National Security Agency) was datamining most electronic data.
"So: those spooky new "circular" dark globe cameras installed in your neighborhood park, town, or city—they aren't just passively monitoring. They're plugged into Trapwire"
This seems a stretch to say every camera is linked. More likely that some cameras are linker. I find the data mining operations to be more concerning.
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Seems to me that the issue is never actually terrorism and is just the government using terrorism as an excuse to tighten their grip on society.
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On August 11 2012 09:06 Liquid`Drone wrote:
If true, how is this not big news? Global surveillance with facial recognition? You're fine with someone knowing where you are and what you're doing at every moment? There's absolutely no way any possible terrorist or other threat justifies this gross invasion of privacy, and that's that.
I don't have time to really investigate this now but based on OP, this is terrible, and the most important leak from wikileaks so far.
So it's kinda like owning an iPhone or using sns? It will save people lot of hassle from updating what they ate for lunch on facebook or tweeting what theyre doing every 2 min.
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On August 11 2012 09:12 sekritzzz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 09:06 Probe1 wrote:According to STRATFOR sources, preliminary, unconfirmed information
on an unfolding attack Intercontinental Hotel in Kabul indicates that
militans stormed in force out of a vehicle after one suicide bomber
detonated a vest at the gate. Meanwhile rumors on the unfolding even
indicate at least two VBIEDs may be circling compound waiting to get in Yes, yes I'll definitely sleep worse at night knowing the government has access to insidious information like.. terrorists plans. .... Bring on the massive conspiracy theory thread! Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 09:03 Warlock40 wrote:
So what's the big deal here? Public surveillance? Comments like this are actually even worst than what wikileaks revealed. I'm not picking on you guys in particular, but I mean that mentality. Selfish men with power will always abuse it for their own good. Always.
Yeah what I'm actually getting at is the post below yours-
On August 11 2012 09:15 arborealassassin wrote:
I thought it was known that NSA (National Security Agency) was datamining most electronic data.
"So: those spooky new "circular" dark globe cameras installed in your neighborhood park, town, or city—they aren't just passively monitoring. They're plugged into Trapwire"
This seems a stretch to say every camera is linked. More likely that some cameras are linker. I find the data mining operations to be more concerning.
Like any of this is new. Even though this is startling and I don't like it, I'm not going to tear down the government and tout that I'm saving everyone without some clear evidence that the government is doing something.. wrong.
I'm a hell of a lot more concerned about private businesses that are unaccountable to the public (for the most part) buying this information.
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On August 11 2012 09:13 hifriend wrote:
According to the article, it sounds like it's in the US and not global.
I was also kind of unsure at first but I think its global. There is a few e-mails talking about different places such as London, Kabul, China and Albania.
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On August 11 2012 09:15 arborealassassin wrote:
I thought it was known that NSA (National Security Agency) was datamining most electronic data.
"So: those spooky new "circular" dark globe cameras installed in your neighborhood park, town, or city—they aren't just passively monitoring. They're plugged into Trapwire"
This seems a stretch to say every camera is linked. More likely that some cameras are linker. I find the data mining operations to be more concerning.
The big question is do private actors have access to that information? If I pay enough will they find out who leaked sensitive business information (or possibly the fact that my corporation was breaking some laws) ? Will they help me find anything to discredit them?
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Doesnt really affect me i play starcraft all day, but in a general sense it seems pretty fucked up and makes me a little angry.
They need to mind theyre own business -.-
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On the bright side at least this shows at least some government agencies aren't completely incompetent at what they do! Hooray devious intelligence agencies!
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On August 11 2012 09:24 DannyJ wrote:
On the bright side at least this shows at least some government agencies aren't completely incompetent at what they do! Hooray devious intelligence agencies!
You know they're competent when immoral national security secrets leak?
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On August 11 2012 09:25 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 09:24 DannyJ wrote:
On the bright side at least this shows at least some government agencies aren't completely incompetent at what they do! Hooray devious intelligence agencies! You know they're competent when immoral national security secrets leak?
crap...
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lol what is this. I dont mind the police being properly equipped to handle modern combat considering that criminals can easily get assault rifles today.. what do you expect them to do?
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On August 11 2012 09:16 kanada wrote:
Seems to me that the issue is never actually terrorism and is just the government using terrorism as an excuse to tighten their grip on society.
Reichstag anyone? When has this never not been the case? I would argue the case though that the issue is terrorism...the US Government and it's appendages are the terrorists and we need to be liberated from their tyranny...
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The sheep always think they're safe and nothing's the matter until they are the ones chosen for slaughter. Then comes the bah-ing. There's a reason the world is the way it is.
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Well I think there is something missing in the OP and for now I will just put the poll here:
Poll: Are you surprised by this?No, I always suspected it. (448) 70% No and yes - I am not surprised but I never thought of it. (103) 16% No, but I thought it wouldn't be that big. (52) 8% Yes, and I am questioning how something like this could have been unobserved. (16) 3% Yes and I still dont believe that this is actually true and not just hoax. (14) 2% Yes, but I wonder how this could happen. (4) 1% 637 total votes Your vote: Are you surprised by this? (Vote): No, I always suspected it.
(Vote): No, but I thought it wouldn't be that big.
(Vote): No and yes - I am not surprised but I never thought of it.
(Vote): Yes, but I wonder how this could happen.
(Vote): Yes, and I am questioning how something like this could have been unobserved.
(Vote): Yes and I still dont believe that this is actually true and not just hoax.
I did my best to add every option that was necessary, maybe I even suceeded. If it gets added to the OP feel free to add options.
I myself am hardly surprised. As soon as the technology to do something is there, it gets done.
The real question is (At least for me): Will it stay?
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There's too much information to monitor everyone. Hell, there's too much information about things you want them to monitor.
Collecting data is easy, identifying what data is important in a timely manner is the real technological challenge.
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lol i bet uk doesnt have this shit (we are too poor)
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