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On August 10 2012 14:19 DyEnasTy wrote:
Wow OP. Lack of intelligence on your part imo.
Get good sleep, have good day/feel good all day......
Get less sleep, feel tired in morning and shitty in the afternoon, but have more free time!......
Perhaps you should do what I plan on doing, and cutting your commute time down by moving closer to work. I am a 25 year old male with an 1.5 - 2 hr commute each way, so we have some similarities. But I also have a wife and 7 month old baby. You cant bitch about your free time. Cut out NON ESSENTIALS before you cut out ESSENTIALS like sleep.
Plus, when you save your "fun" time for the weekends, it makes it a lot more enjoyable. Only other option is to work 4 days a week (perhaps take wednesday off) and have some mid week enjoyment.
Wow Dude. Lack of intelligence on your part imo.
Nice way to call me stupid just because you cannot imagine that I already thought of that.
I live in a big city and I do not have a lot of money, the place I have is the best I can do in regards to rent and location. The fact that it is an awesome apartment was almost no factor in my decision.
"you cant bitch about your free time." Who the hell is bitching and who the fuck are you to tell me what I can and can't do?!
Just because you thought it smart to knock up your chick with 23 means I cannot try to improve my life?
What sort of logic is that?
Also, maybe 3 hours of my sleep time ARE non essential, that's what I'm trying to find out smartpants.. And not having any spare time makes the weekend more enjoyable, no doubt. But having double the free time and only 70% as much joy during it is still more in total.
Up until this post I was really surprised at how cool this thread turned out to be...
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However, I ordered a progressive alarm clock yesterday and am now striving to reduce my sleep time by a quarter of an hour every week until I feel it is too little.
I will carefully consider other options and try to explore what works best for me.
I cannot take naps due to working hours and changing the rest of the day is hardly possible, I will try to do stuff more time efficient but that is hard. A dishwasher would probably be golden, have to look into my options of getting one.
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Again, you should also look at your resting heart rate, it might give you a clue. 30mins of excresize a day seems very little... It makes a hige difference to me atleast. When I got off from the army (I'm 20) I was able to run 3000m in cooper's test and then I went to work and well, I stopped excersizing and my condition went down to around 2500m. Now I started commuting 25km on bike every day there and back (50km a day, around 50mins one direction) and I am again in decent shape. It really has helped me to retain high energy levels during the day with less sleep (around 7 hours). So how is your physical fitness?
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Look at it this way:
Precise statistics aside, the difference between 9 vs. 7 hours is something in the range of 20-30% increased productivity. Plus the fact that you'll feel better and be more energized, it's worth it.
I've been sleeping for 8.5 hours eveyrday and I've been studying/working more than ever, sometimes it's about feeling good and getting that motivation to do things, and doing them well.
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On August 10 2012 17:11 Soyemia wrote:
Again, you should also look at your resting heart rate, it might give you a clue. 30mins of excresize a day seems very little... It makes a hige difference to me atleast. When I got off from the army (I'm 20) I was able to run 3000m in cooper's test and then I went to work and well, I stopped excersizing and my condition went down to around 2500m. Now I started commuting 25km on bike every day there and back (50km a day, around 50mins one direction) and I am again in decent shape. It really has helped me to retain high energy levels during the day with less sleep (around 7 hours). So how is your physical fitness?
This thread is the first time I ever heard of the cooper's test actually, so I have no idea.
I used to go jogging every second day and had thai boxing on the rest, so I was pretty fit I guess. However I stopped doing both more or less, I still do random amounts of cardio every now and again but I probably only fool myself into believing I would do any form of efficient exercise.
I always prioritised lifting over Cardio, probably a big mistake.
I will start running 3-4 a week again and I will start Krav Maga in about a month, so I should be getting back in form sooner or later. Also I smoked for like 4 years and recently stoped, will take loooong to undo that kind of damage >.<
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Yes you are but I also stated in the OP that I cannot do that, however naps etc were discussed a lot.
Thanks for not taking the time to read before posting.
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On August 10 2012 17:29 rEalGuapo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2012 17:11 Soyemia wrote:
Again, you should also look at your resting heart rate, it might give you a clue. 30mins of excresize a day seems very little... It makes a hige difference to me atleast. When I got off from the army (I'm 20) I was able to run 3000m in cooper's test and then I went to work and well, I stopped excersizing and my condition went down to around 2500m. Now I started commuting 25km on bike every day there and back (50km a day, around 50mins one direction) and I am again in decent shape. It really has helped me to retain high energy levels during the day with less sleep (around 7 hours). So how is your physical fitness? This thread is the first time I ever heard of the cooper's test actually, so I have no idea. I used to go jogging every second day and had thai boxing on the rest, so I was pretty fit I guess. However I stopped doing both more or less, I still do random amounts of cardio every now and again but I probably only fool myself into believing I would do any form of efficient exercise. I always prioritised lifting over Cardio, probably a big mistake. I will start running 3-4 a week again and I will start Krav Maga in about a month, so I should be getting back in form sooner or later. Also I smoked for like 4 years and recently stoped, will take loooong to undo that kind of damage >.<
I think here's a big reason why you feel like you're out of energy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heart_rate here's a good table. It really affects how you feel, and has been extensively studied and have been linked on tiring etc. If you smoked for 4 years and didn't do much at all you're probably in horrible fitness. The good thing is that you're young and it can be fixed really fast (I'd say 2 months) and in longer term you can get into good condition. The funny fact here, btw, is that high muscle mass will increase your heart rate and tires you faster. Cardio is simply put way, way more important. You should take some sort of test of your fitness, it will open your eyes. Mine did cooper's test after the army, lol (we did a cooper's test in the army every 2 months) and it really opened my eyes how out of condition I was a few months back. It has reduced my sleeping time from 8 hours to around 7 hours now.
Also, you commute 1 hour to work in a city, right? You could look at time management here like I did. If it's under 30km it's not a big deal to cycle to home and back, won't take more time than currently (around 1 hour one direction) and will give you some of you excersize right there and easy. That's what I do.
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You can't just "change" your bodily habits on a whim, you need time to adjust. I've recently had problems with self-discipline (which includes getting out of bed in the morning and NOT pressing the snooze button ten times) but when I really got it into my head there was a problem I started working on it. So far I can't say I've dealt with it completely but I can definitely see changes in my habits. Figure what exactly is wrong with your daily habits and start adjusting slowly. My only two cents would be sleep might not be the entire problem if you're feeling tired. Think about motivation, exercise, hydration, blood-sugar and all that jazz.
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On August 10 2012 17:41 Soyemia wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2012 17:29 rEalGuapo wrote:On August 10 2012 17:11 Soyemia wrote:
Again, you should also look at your resting heart rate, it might give you a clue. 30mins of excresize a day seems very little... It makes a hige difference to me atleast. When I got off from the army (I'm 20) I was able to run 3000m in cooper's test and then I went to work and well, I stopped excersizing and my condition went down to around 2500m. Now I started commuting 25km on bike every day there and back (50km a day, around 50mins one direction) and I am again in decent shape. It really has helped me to retain high energy levels during the day with less sleep (around 7 hours). So how is your physical fitness? This thread is the first time I ever heard of the cooper's test actually, so I have no idea. I used to go jogging every second day and had thai boxing on the rest, so I was pretty fit I guess. However I stopped doing both more or less, I still do random amounts of cardio every now and again but I probably only fool myself into believing I would do any form of efficient exercise. I always prioritised lifting over Cardio, probably a big mistake. I will start running 3-4 a week again and I will start Krav Maga in about a month, so I should be getting back in form sooner or later. Also I smoked for like 4 years and recently stoped, will take loooong to undo that kind of damage >.< I think here's a big reason why you feel like you're out of energy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heart_rate here's a good table. It really affects how you feel, and has been extensively studied and have been linked on tiring etc. If you smoked for 4 years and didn't do much at all you're probably in horrible fitness. The good thing is that you're young and it can be fixed really fast (I'd say 2 months) and in longer term you can get into good condition. The funny fact here, btw, is that high muscle mass will increase your heart rate and tires you faster. Cardio is simply put way, way more important. You should take some sort of test of your fitness, it will open your eyes. Mine did cooper's test after the army, lol (we did a cooper's test in the army every 2 months) and it really opened my eyes how out of condition I was a few months back. It has reduced my sleeping time from 8 hours to around 7 hours now. Also, you commute 1 hour to work in a city, right? You could look at time management here like I did. If it's under 30km it's not a big deal to cycle to home and back, won't take more time than currently (around 1 hour one direction) and will give you some of you excersize right there and easy. That's what I do.
So I just measured my heartrate and had 61 beats in 60 seconds which is the bottom of excellent. Maybe fitness isn't my main problem 
Edit: my average out of three is 63. So there definitely is room for improvement here.
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I haven't read the various responses here so I'm not sure if this has been mentioned before, but it could possibly help you shave off around half an hour of sleep. You could try using http://sleepyti.me/. It will calculate when you should go to bed so you're guaranteed to not wake up in the middle of a REM cycle.
Edit: Whoops haha, mentioned on the same page earlier already
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I think the more correct way to look at this thread is not that he needs to reduce sleep because he gets very little free time to enjoy life but instead that the thing that takes up the chunk of his day, employment, has him in need of time expensive escapism.
Are you in a career that makes you feel good about yourself. Perhaps it might be that you need to think about the direction of your career rather than the way to get more time by sacrificing sleep.
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On August 10 2012 17:49 rEalGuapo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2012 17:41 Soyemia wrote:On August 10 2012 17:29 rEalGuapo wrote:On August 10 2012 17:11 Soyemia wrote:
Again, you should also look at your resting heart rate, it might give you a clue. 30mins of excresize a day seems very little... It makes a hige difference to me atleast. When I got off from the army (I'm 20) I was able to run 3000m in cooper's test and then I went to work and well, I stopped excersizing and my condition went down to around 2500m. Now I started commuting 25km on bike every day there and back (50km a day, around 50mins one direction) and I am again in decent shape. It really has helped me to retain high energy levels during the day with less sleep (around 7 hours). So how is your physical fitness? This thread is the first time I ever heard of the cooper's test actually, so I have no idea. I used to go jogging every second day and had thai boxing on the rest, so I was pretty fit I guess. However I stopped doing both more or less, I still do random amounts of cardio every now and again but I probably only fool myself into believing I would do any form of efficient exercise. I always prioritised lifting over Cardio, probably a big mistake. I will start running 3-4 a week again and I will start Krav Maga in about a month, so I should be getting back in form sooner or later. Also I smoked for like 4 years and recently stoped, will take loooong to undo that kind of damage >.< I think here's a big reason why you feel like you're out of energy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heart_rate here's a good table. It really affects how you feel, and has been extensively studied and have been linked on tiring etc. If you smoked for 4 years and didn't do much at all you're probably in horrible fitness. The good thing is that you're young and it can be fixed really fast (I'd say 2 months) and in longer term you can get into good condition. The funny fact here, btw, is that high muscle mass will increase your heart rate and tires you faster. Cardio is simply put way, way more important. You should take some sort of test of your fitness, it will open your eyes. Mine did cooper's test after the army, lol (we did a cooper's test in the army every 2 months) and it really opened my eyes how out of condition I was a few months back. It has reduced my sleeping time from 8 hours to around 7 hours now. Also, you commute 1 hour to work in a city, right? You could look at time management here like I did. If it's under 30km it's not a big deal to cycle to home and back, won't take more time than currently (around 1 hour one direction) and will give you some of you excersize right there and easy. That's what I do. So I just measured my heartrate and had 61 beats in 60 seconds which is the bottom of excellent. Maybe fitness isn't my main problem Edit: my average out of the is 63. So there definitely is room for improvement here.
Yeah it's not going to do miracle, but it's a part of the picture. It helped me and also commuting can be used well, those are my main tips. Don't have much else really, I can't for instance really cut my sleep time to less than 7 hours comfortably. In the army I was able to stay active for like 2 weeks in forest while sleeping about 3-4 hours a night, but I think that was because of the fresh air and physical activity. Being physically active every day for extended periods helps me, which is a big reason why I cycle to work every day, even when it takes and hour in one direction.
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Welcome to the real world.
Luckily for me I live 5 minutes from work by foot..but I used to have a job that was 30 minutes away. My advice? Shop for a week or 2, instead of everyday. That way you lose free time one day, but make it back over the few days. Exercise is the big thing to not get rid of, try cutting down? Go running with a backpack on, and run to the shops on the way back and pick up food then. The added weight will increase your excercise effectiveness.
I sleep about 8 hours (however I'm down to 7 as me and my girl live together, but we have different work schedules and I like to spend some time with her where we're not sleeping.) The main thing I would suggest is to just live life. Not enjoying it the way its going? Go to the gym 3 times a week to give yourself some man time. Just try to be as efffective as possible.
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On August 10 2012 17:53 Bananasword01 wrote:
I think the more correct way to look at this thread is not that he needs to reduce sleep because he gets very little free time to enjoy life but instead that the thing that takes up the chunk of his day, employment, has him in need of time expensive escapism.
Are you in a career that makes you feel good about yourself. Perhaps it might be that you need to think about the direction of your career rather than the way to get more time by sacrificing sleep.
Right now I study to become an engineer and work part time as trainee in a big engineering Firm. I put almost 4 years into this already and a year from now I am definitely done, so I will not change career paths within the next year, yet I don't want to have no social life 5 out of 7 days.
I used to hang with buddies in skype and play Starcraft/DotA with them or just ladder, right now I am either asleep when the other guys do that or I am too tired to play Starcraft without completely raging over myself.
- When I am tired I play like shit and I just get incredibly mad about losing games because of this. I have no idea why though. If I am fit and play OK it doesn't matter why I lose, even forgetting Warpgate upgrade would not make me rage.
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On August 10 2012 17:31 rEalGuapo wrote:Yes you are but I also stated in the OP that I cannot do that, however naps etc were discussed a lot. Thanks for not taking the time to read before posting.
Are you a dick? I read the OP like most people do: By skimming it. Some times it happens that I miss something. But when you write like that you make it seem like I have wasted a huge amount of your time by making 1 link to the best ressources online for people who want to sleep more efficient. If this is how you "reward" people for trying to help you, I do not believe you have a lot of friends.
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If you quit your job, you'll save 10 hours of work+travel AND you'll be able to sleep as long as your body needs.
You then have the option of working part time, if you're desperate. And if you're a well educated mister, then that part time job will get you enough salary to not have to work 40 hours a week, but only 20 and have plenty of spare money after paying the bills. I wish you all the best in either case. Can only say that this works at least for me. My weekend starts thursday noon and Monday's are god damn fucking awesome, because they also end at noon for me (working-wise).
Maybe you can find a way. Sleep is too precious to reduce it !
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I haven´t seen it mentioned yet, so, there is an inner clock, which is quite well researched so far and its implications are pretty large:
- you are genetically disposed towards certain rhythms and thus cannot change them
Sleeping, i.e. when your body needs sleep according to its day/night perception can vary greatly with some people preferring to sleep early, some late and in between. When you sleep along your inner clock, its fine, if not, you´re not. I don´t really know anything of value, only that chronobiology is a big thing and that you should get into it to get different perspective on the problem. I myself always found that my sleeping rhythm was from 1am-9/10am, but it can be tested and determined.
Basically these rhythms are things that are derived from a hundred thousand years of waking at dawn and resting at dusk, living in sunlight and fresh air, moving around the whole day. Since working routines mostly kill that genetically predisposed norm, you get problems, the more you get away from that the bigger the stress on your body. Sounds kind of hippy, but then again I´m not an expert, but you should look into it.
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On August 10 2012 18:33 Hider wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2012 17:31 rEalGuapo wrote:Yes you are but I also stated in the OP that I cannot do that, however naps etc were discussed a lot. Thanks for not taking the time to read before posting. Are you a dick? I read the OP like most people do: By skimming it. Some times it happens that I miss something. But when you write like that you make it seem like I have wasted a huge amount of your time by making 1 link to the best ressources online for people who want to sleep more efficient. If this is how you "reward" people for trying to help you, I do not believe you have a lot of friends.
If I find an OP somewhat interesting I always take the time to read through it before answering because it is just annoying to not do so.
And I have a healthy amount of friends, not too many but like 10 REALLY close ones and a ton not that close ones.
Thank you for your concern.
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from what i have heard in university (2 lessons specifically about sleep) almost every person (90%~) between the age of 20-60 (after that need for sleep has a big variance especially in females) don't have any sort of deterioration of performance if they sleep between 4.5 and 5.5 hours a day if they have an extremly consistent sleep schedule (e.g go to bed every day at the same time not varying more than 20 minutes) for over 2 weeks
however the people that only sleep that little will feel subjectively more tired sometimes and it takes the aforementioned 2 weeks to not feel like shit
i would suggest trying to sleep 5.5 or so hours every day, and don't reduce it step by step since this is (from what i have) scientifically proven to be much worse than going to the desired end goal instantly.
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On August 10 2012 18:59 ramon wrote:
from what i have heard in university (2 lessons specifically about sleep) almost every person (90%~) between the age of 20-60 (after that need for sleep has a big variance especially in females) don't have any sort of deterioration of performance if they sleep between 4.5 and 5.5 hours a day if they have an extremly consistent sleep schedule (e.g go to bed every day at the same time not varying more than 20 minutes) for over 2 weeks
this is great but does it apply to people who are stressed out and worn to pieces by their job and by going to the gym? probably not
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