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Footler
Profile Joined January 2010
United States560 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-09 23:37:04
August 09 2012 23:29 GMT
#101
8.5+ hours honestly seems like to much. I always aim for no less than 6.5 and no more than 7.5 and never have problems under normal circumstances. I drink 2 cups worth of coffee in the morning and 2 more at lunch - black, no sugar, cream or anything added. Always drink plenty of water, not getting enough water is a huge factor in people feeling sleepy/lethargic/etc. Eating healthy and exercise always help too (I don't do enough of the latter ^^).

EDIT: What is your type of work? If you have a desk job where you are literally sitting there doing paper work, etc. for 8 hours you might consider finding ways to work in some short "exercises." Not like jogging or pushups but maybe going outside and walking the perimeter of the building while downing a whole bottle of water. Honestly, for me, downing a ton of water at once normally helps curb any mid day drowsiness (of course it is always followed by a lot restroom breaks but that's more activity! ^^).
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InDaHouse
Profile Joined May 2008
Sweden956 Posts
August 09 2012 23:45 GMT
#102
On August 10 2012 02:47 Detri wrote:
Welcome to adulthood, where the week needs 8 days and the day needs 36 hours.


You should try lavender on your pillow, YES IT SOUNDS STUPID. I was a total sceptic until I tried it, but now I couldn't do without my manly purple/pink bottle of pillow spray. Really, it helped me get more restful sleep.

UK based retailer

Spend the $10 or whatever it costs and give it a try.... worst that can happen is that your pillow smells a little nicer

I love lavender.
Where can I find a retailer in Sweden for that Lavender pillowspray?
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Orcasgt24
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada3238 Posts
August 09 2012 23:52 GMT
#103
I honestly beleive 6hours sleep + an 1 hour nap midday is the way to go.
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Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-09 23:59:33
August 09 2012 23:58 GMT
#104
I sleep about 4-5 hours a night. I'm always exhausted. But I get a lot done.

I find that my body has adjusted to the point that if I sleep 6 hours I wake up feeling extremely well rested. However, there are days when I oversleep that cock up whatever rhythm I have going.

So no advice on how to feel 'more rested' other than if you want to get more done, stop being such a wimp, sleeping beauty. More than 8 hours of sleep uninterrupted may very well mean you're just lazy.

ZenCaser
Profile Joined January 2010
United States19 Posts
August 10 2012 00:13 GMT
#105
I suffer from severe obstructive sleep apnea. It's hell. I keep an eye on sleep-related studies, articles, etc. Related to the comments, this is what I've learned:

- Most of us adults don't get enough sleep. Those who think they can get away with only X hours of sleep are almost always mistaken. Somewhat like those people who think they are excellent multi-taskers. (Excepting Hero of course, because he is in fact an excellent multi-tasker).

- Ideally, we shouldn't need an alarm clock, ever. That's the healthiest sleep rule. Obviously, it's impractical, but knowing that ideal is very important.

- Those who are complaining about sleeping, yet still feeling cruddy, besides the excellent nutrition/blood test/exercise advice already provided, you might look into things like sleep apnea. It's way under-diagnosed. Essentially, if you snore, go get checked.

- That physiology teacher who suggested getting 5 hours of sleep, then making it up over the weekend, was incompetent. You really can't bank it. It's not black and white, but yeah, no, don't do that.

- If you're one of those who sleeps like 15 hours a day, and you're a teenager, that's normal and you should bask in the wonderfulness that is 15 hours of crazy good sleep.

To the OP, I would heavily recommend you sleep as much as possible, consider yourself blessed instead of cursed, and find efficiencies elsewhere. Lack of sleep hurts your health and quality of life in insidious, sucker punch-y sort of ways.
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Ryder.
Profile Joined January 2011
1117 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-10 00:42:28
August 10 2012 00:23 GMT
#106
Not sure if somebody has mentioned this but you could try changing your sleep patterns. For example, I personally will feel much better if I go to sleep at 11pm and sleep for say 8 hours, than if I go to sleep at 1am and sleep for 10 hours. Try shifting the times that you actually sleep from/till and see if it helps.

An obvious factor also is your diet. I don't mean any fad diets, I mean if you eat healthy and eat frequently it should help you stay more alert. Make sure you are always packing a decent lunch to work and try eat something healthy every few hours; I can't stress that enough.

Edit: You will probably find you will need less sleep as you get older too. So it wont be like this 'for the rest of your life' :p
Danger_Duck
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Burkina Faso571 Posts
August 10 2012 00:27 GMT
#107
Whatever anyone says, a *solid* night sleep is irreducible. If you're waking up in the middle of the night, then sure, you can probably find ways of reducing by simply sleeping better. But if you're sleeping from head down to alarm...sorry buddy, your sleep is staying fixed, and you'll have to adjust everything else.

One caveat, sleep is a weekly thing, so you can cut during the week and catch up during the weekend marginally well, though I personally would not recommend it
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Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
August 10 2012 00:30 GMT
#108
Instead of a lunch I take a 30 minute to one hour nap. Thats enough for one entire REM cycle and REM cycles are very important.
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logikly
Profile Joined February 2009
United States329 Posts
August 10 2012 00:32 GMT
#109
I cant honestly remember the last time I had more than 4hrs of sleep a night. This might be due to being in the military and constantly being woke up for some reason. Your Body will get use to it and for me its harder to get longer sleep now. I have to be on the verge of passing out before ill sleep 4 straight hours.
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CajunMan
Profile Joined July 2010
United States823 Posts
August 10 2012 00:34 GMT
#110
Arnold Schwarzenegger's #5 life rule fits this perfectly!!!


5. Work your butt off!

Leaving no stone unturned. Muhammed Ali, one of my greatest hero’s had a great line when he was asked: ‘how many sit ups do you do?’. He said: ‘I don’t count my sit-ups, I only start counting when it starts hurting, that is when I start counting, because then it really counts, that’s what makes you a champion’. That’s the way it is with everyting, no pain, no gain!

Someone out there at the same time is working hard, someone is getting smarter, remember that! I’ve always figured out that there is 24 hours a day, you sleep 6 hours. That means you have 18 hours left. I know that some of you out there answers: ‘wait a minute I sleep 8 or 9 hours’. Well, than sleep faster I recommend.
seaofsaturn
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States489 Posts
August 10 2012 00:37 GMT
#111
Hey dude. I was having the same problem.

I started eating eggs for breakfast everyday and I felt awesome. So, I figured out that I need a lot of protein to stay awake, it doesn't even really matter how much I sleep. Trail mix or granola bars or chicken or something. With coffee I always ended up addicted and then the caffeine stopped having any effect so it is not a long term solution.

Anyways, that's what worked for me, everyone is different, you just have to find your own weak point through trying stuff.
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FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
August 10 2012 01:02 GMT
#112
stress in life/job will give you very poor sleep , waking up a lot at random times , having nightmares , not being able to get to sleep

i used to have 2-3 hour travel to work and back. its not worth it. now i have 20 mins max and life is very different..
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Kaos_StarCraft
Profile Joined November 2011
Australia92 Posts
August 10 2012 01:48 GMT
#113
On August 09 2012 20:53 r.Evo wrote:
While you can't "reduce sleep time" you can reduce the non-REM sleep time. This part is crucial. Most people I know who sleep 7-8hours or more never once in their life made an attempt to find out how that works for them personally.


What I did about 7 years ago or so was devote an month on cleaning up my sleep schedule. Go to bed, set an alarmclock to ring in 3 hours, get up. Repeat this every 12 hours. The first 3-4 days were plain and flat out brutal. I didn't fall asleep quick enough, I was incredibly dizzy after waking up and I couldn't perform anything "real" during the time I was awake. After those first days what happened is that whenever I layed down in bed I started to fall asleep asap and I started to slowly feel less dizzy and it felt somewhat okay.

Next step (while you're still sleep deprived) is to find out how long your sleep phase really is (average times from 2:15h to 3:45h are completely normal) by adjusting the sleep time you give yourself in 15-30 minute increments. For me personally 2:45h of sleep in one setting just feels incredible. I wake up on the first tone of my alarm, I am immediately at full capacity and my brain just feels sharp as hell.

After spending 3-4 weeks in that schedule I started to skip one of the two phases per day and returned to sleeping 1x, now at 5:30-5:45hours per day. That has been my standard sleep time ever since when I actually want to get work in, even over longer periods of time (~4months) I had never had a problem with that timing.

What I noticed what stayed with me after a couple of years (especially comparing myself to other people when it comes to sleep) is that I fall asleep quicker, sleep deeper and am more relaxed than anyone I know. The only big "drawback" is that if I try sleeping e.g. 1-2hours at a time I'm completely wrecked. My guess would be that the body adjusted to the schedule and that time is right in the middle of a REM phase.


tl;dr: "Cleaning up" your sleep schedule might easily net you 2-3hours more, the only way I tried this personally is by living with an incredibly strict alarmclock for a couple of weeks. I don't regret it at all and would do it over and over again. Getting to know how your body and brain works and how to make them work at their best is incredibly rewarding, most people just don't bother even thinking about it.

PS: Switching from mono- to biphasic sleep and back within a couple of days feels rather normal to me, no problems there at all. Note that babies/elderly people sleep polyphasic and that monophasic sleep is more a product of our culture, not of our internal clocks. There's a reason most of us get sleepy around midday.


Excellent post.
kamkerx
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States264 Posts
August 10 2012 02:18 GMT
#114
My personal take on it (and i have experience because for the past 6 years i have been getting a range of 4 to 7 hours of sleep with and average or 6 hours) is you might sleep for 4 hours wake up have a head ache and feel like shit but you have to compare it to what you're getting done (example sleeping 4 hours playing sc2 more) and you have to ask yourself if being tired and feeling bad is worth what your getting to do. and then it is ez to decide to sleep more or do more. hope this was clear glgl

p.s. energy drinks are a nono its 100 percent possible to force yourself to stay on.
Nimbl3
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia49 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-10 02:36:16
August 10 2012 02:36 GMT
#115
Been reading this thread and found it quite interesting to see peoples different natures.

My personal experience is 6.5hrs - 8hrs sleep and im fine.. this included a morning trip to the gym 8hrs of work in-front of a computer and then home to either play games and work on my music production..

Lately Ive been drinking a lot more water and eating more fruit and Ive noticed that its improved my mechanics at work.
I wasn't always a decent sleeper i would go to bed at 3am up at 8am one night or then 1pm wake up the next.. i knew it wasn't healthy.

In changing my habits i did a sleep cycle for 2 weeks solid.. bed at 11pm up at 6:30am. even if i went to bed at 12am id make sure i was up at 6:30.. 2 weeks of this and now my internal alarm is 6:30am no matter what time i go to sleep.

also this might be helpful also:

The Scientific Power Of Naps

for people that feel like crap after waking up after a long nap its cause your in a deep sleep, and if tahts the case try having an apple rather than coffee.. i guarantee you wake up faster.

That's just my 2 cents
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Eben
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States769 Posts
August 10 2012 03:03 GMT
#116
I sleep 5-6 hours a night and on my two days off a week I sleep about 8.5.
I think it is all different for different people and there is little you can do about it except get on a healthy diet and exercise.

Some of my friends sleep 9-10 hours a night, always. Some sleep 5.
Spoticus
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia25 Posts
August 10 2012 05:07 GMT
#117
On August 10 2012 09:13 ZenCaser wrote:
To the OP, I would heavily recommend you sleep as much as possible, consider yourself blessed instead of cursed, and find efficiencies elsewhere. Lack of sleep hurts your health and quality of life in insidious, sucker punch-y sort of ways.


I completely agree. Due to chronic cluster headache I lived off an average of less than a half hour of sleep per day for years. The kind of ways that leads into a degradation of your well being is hard to describe.

I agree with Zen, being able to choose when and how you sleep is a blessing. Sleep until you feel well rested, make a routine out of it if possible, and as Zen said find the time efficiencies elsewhere.

The beauty of living on 9 hours sleep is you have room to cut back when there is real motivation to do so, without much risk of wearing yourself down. If you start living on 5-6 hours each day you won't be able to cut into that amount of time for long.

(I am not saying everyone should sleep 9 hours etc, just whatever leaves them well rested each day, obviously varies for many reasons)
robjapan
Profile Joined April 2011
Japan104 Posts
August 10 2012 05:13 GMT
#118
I wish there was a way to upvote/thumbs up/like/sticky what Frigo just said, that dude has it NAILED!
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DyEnasTy
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States3714 Posts
August 10 2012 05:19 GMT
#119
Wow OP. Lack of intelligence on your part imo.

Get good sleep, have good day/feel good all day......
Get less sleep, feel tired in morning and shitty in the afternoon, but have more free time!......

Perhaps you should do what I plan on doing, and cutting your commute time down by moving closer to work. I am a 25 year old male with an 1.5 - 2 hr commute each way, so we have some similarities. But I also have a wife and 7 month old baby. You cant bitch about your free time. Cut out NON ESSENTIALS before you cut out ESSENTIALS like sleep.

Plus, when you save your "fun" time for the weekends, it makes it a lot more enjoyable. Only other option is to work 4 days a week (perhaps take wednesday off) and have some mid week enjoyment.
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knightwulf
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada174 Posts
August 10 2012 05:22 GMT
#120
The feeling of rested is based on sleep patterns. If you can master how many cycles or how long your cycles are then getting 4.5 hours of sleep can be trained. This website is really basic but it got me started on a smart way to train sleeping patterns.

http://sleepyti.me/
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