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Catch]22
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Sweden2683 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-09 15:24:53
August 09 2012 15:24 GMT
#61
Pay someone to do your chores Time is money!
rEalGuapo
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany832 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-09 17:44:46
August 09 2012 16:33 GMT
#62
On August 10 2012 00:24 Catch]22 wrote:
Pay someone to do your chores Time is money!


Yeah, I work part time while I study.

So of course I will go for that, thank you for the tip!
Denzil
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom4193 Posts
August 09 2012 16:36 GMT
#63
Could be worse you could be me

I feel shit unless I get anything but 11-12

but when I do get my full 11-12 I feel like a god
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docvoc
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States5491 Posts
August 09 2012 16:45 GMT
#64
On August 09 2012 20:41 rEalGuapo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2012 20:27 Frigo wrote:
No you really can't reduce sleep time despite various claims to the contrary (binaural beats, biphasic sleep, etc). While sleeping your entire body is repairing itself, most noticeably your skin. It also processes your memories in various ways. All these take time, you just can't skip them without side effects.

However you can greatly improve your quality of sleep, which is at least as important as the amount of sleep. For quite a while my sleep was utter crap since I slept randomly and made many mistakes but over time I discovered a few cheap tricks that helped me tremendously:

- Don't drink coffee after 16:00. Caffeine has a biological half-life of 5 hours, you'll have trouble falling asleep if you drink coffee too late.
- Drink at most 2 or 3 cups of coffee a day or equivalent. Caffeine is not a substitute for sleep.
- Go to sleep early, for me that's before 23:00. Don't sleep at day. Sleeping in sunlight guarantees low-quality sleep.
- Go to sleep and wake up at consistent times every day, don't sleep randomly. Your body will get used to the routine and will be much more efficient. I know this is hard when you are a university student, but try it. At least you will have less trouble adjusting when you start going to work.
- Get a softer, more comfortable bed. Don't "get used to" uncomfortable, hard beds or awkward sleeping positions.
- Get a progressive alarm clock (or an appropriate app for your phone), it improves your awakenings and mornings greatly.
- Don't play video games (especially not something competitive), use the computer, or study anything before going to bed. Your body will stuck in some kind of hyperactive/overworked state and you will have trouble falling asleep. Instead I recommend some light reading in the bed to relax (get an e-book reader, books are heavy and a bit awkward to read in the bed).
- Don't leave on your computer or any music when you are going to bed. It's much better to sleep to silence than various noises.
- Try to do some daily exercise. Apart from being healthy, you will have zero trouble falling asleep if you exhaust yourself physically. Biking and jogging on alternate days worked for me.
- Try to shower before going to sleep, much more comfortable to sleep clean.


Thanks, all of your points seem to make sense and some of them I already incorporated into my daily life. I will try to get the rest in there as well.


Same here, I'm going to do as much of this as possible.
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Soyemia
Profile Joined May 2012
Finland12 Posts
August 09 2012 17:03 GMT
#65
On August 09 2012 19:36 rEalGuapo wrote:
Hi TL!

I recently started sleeping 8.5 to 9hours per night and feel better than ever. I tried to work with 7 hours for quite some time but I was really tired in the morning and had problems concentrating over longer periods of time.

So this sounds great, right? I now am energetic and well rested the entire day.

The big downside however is this:

I work 8 hours a day, it takes roughly one hour to get to my work place and another hour back. With eating, shopping, hygiene and the usual household crap I probably spend another 2.5 hours a day.

So 10 hours work+travel 2.5hours household. Well, that makes 12.5h. Sleeping 9 hours my day has only 15 left, if I want to exercise for an hour I only have 1.5hours left as my personal free time.
I can't live like this for the next 50 years.
I know there are vacations and weekends but living only 2 days a week is just a really depressing thought to me.

I know that you can reduce sleep dramatically by splitting the time over the day, that is not an option for me though.

About myself (maybe that is important to know):
I am male age 24 somewhat in shape and my immune system works nice as far as I can tell.

My Question is:
Does anyone of you have a solid way to reduce sleeping time?
Maybe I have to reduce steadily, maybe there is a certain supplement, maybe a certain diet. I did some research but I really am unsure of what to do. Caffeine is not an option, it really messes with my sleeping rythm and makes matters worse over time.

Ideally someone with personal experience could tell what he/she did.
But of course any interesting and legit article is welcome.

Please don't post only to tell me that you think 6hours is enough.

Thanks for your help!


How is your condition? How much do you run in cooper's test? I think a part of the puzzle could really be that you're simply in bad condition. The difference between your energy levels if you're running 3000m or 2400m are huge, your resting heart beat level is around 40% lower if you run 3000m. You're a male in best age, you should run atleast 2800m, or you're in bad condition.
Cirn9
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
1117 Posts
August 09 2012 17:20 GMT
#66
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Nevermind86
Profile Joined August 2009
Somalia429 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-09 17:27:27
August 09 2012 17:23 GMT
#67
Well from personal experience (not the best indicator) I know how to reduce sleeping hours, I sleep normally only 7 hours, a lot of the times only 6 but then I cannot perform as good when studying russian or reading books or something, because I cannot concentrate as good, but sometimes I decide to only sleep about 6 hours because I stay late watching something or play videogames with friends. What I'm going to say I've discussed with friends and readed articles, etc.

HOW TO REDUCE SLEEPING HOURS

-It really helps to sleep 5-6 at night and about 1 hour in the afternoon, I heard it is natural to get sleepy at about noon, so take a nap, even if it's only 30 minutes it is better than nothing.

-Cardio. I run when I have the time, which is most of the time about 5-6 miles 3-4 days a week, this is important, having good cardio helps to sleep better and you get a better rest. Swimming is better, any type of good cardio will do.

-Don't eat too much at dinner, because the digestive system needs to put an extra effort so it becomes harder to have a good sleep, I usually don't eat much at dinner, only a little bit. Half of what could be a normal dinner.

Now obviously the hours you "win" with sleeping 1/2 hours less you have to spend on cardio, so you won't likely have more free time, but I obviously think it is better to use those hours in cardio than in just sleeping. It is good to plan how to sleep and when to sleep, the important thing is, if you're sleepy take a nap!

Edit: I don't think sleeping less through monday-friday then "catching up" on weekends is any good, because you will not perform as good in the first 5 days and then in the weekend you will be dead tired and sleep more than you need, which is a recipe for lazyness. I used to do that out of necessity, I had to sleep about 6 and a half hours because of a job that I had to go at 7 am but then couldn't sleep early at night, it was terrible, I tried everything, but the catching up on weekends it's just bad I usually wasted my time just sleeping on sunday, not good.

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Deleted User 183001
Profile Joined May 2011
2939 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-09 17:25:39
August 09 2012 17:24 GMT
#68
I sleep about 5 hours a night. I go to the gym at least 6 hours a week, and some jogging on top of that. I do all sorts of physical things on the weekends as well. I'll admit I am a bit fatigued, but I'm alright. I had terrible insomnia when I was 17 that caused me to sleep literally 4 hours a night. It basically wrecked me, but once I got over the insomnia, I became a lot more tolerant of reduced sleep.

Right now I'm 21, ~165 lbs. I drink lots of water and whiskey. The water especially is very important for keeping you energized throughout the day. Drink lots of it.

I listen to thrash metal to chill me out while trying to fall asleep. It just sweeps away the pains of the day and takes it off my mind, which allows me to relax.
HaruHaru
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States988 Posts
August 09 2012 17:26 GMT
#69
I have found that eating healthy also contributes strongly to how you feel throughout the day. 7 hours a day while eating healthy and excercising should be enough
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Wolvmatt.
Profile Joined April 2011
205 Posts
August 09 2012 17:46 GMT
#70
An hour each way commute? That's brutal. You could save an hour and a half every day just by moving closer to work. I don't know how plausible that is for you, though.

How much do you spend on gas every week driving that much? Or do you use public transportation?
Detri
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom683 Posts
August 09 2012 17:47 GMT
#71
Welcome to adulthood, where the week needs 8 days and the day needs 36 hours.


You should try lavender on your pillow, YES IT SOUNDS STUPID. I was a total sceptic until I tried it, but now I couldn't do without my manly purple/pink bottle of pillow spray. Really, it helped me get more restful sleep.

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Spend the $10 or whatever it costs and give it a try.... worst that can happen is that your pillow smells a little nicer
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son1dow
Profile Joined May 2009
Lithuania322 Posts
August 09 2012 17:58 GMT
#72
It's not exactly what you asked for, but don't forget to use your travel time to listen to something. If you're not the biggest music fan in the world, I suggest mixing at least some audiobooks/podcasts in.
Play more Quake.
Flowtax
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands42 Posts
August 09 2012 18:02 GMT
#73
Isnt 7 / 8 hours asleep unhealthy ? i thought there was evidence that if you sleep +/- 6 hours a night (as an adult) you will live longer than people who sleep +/- 8 hours a night...
In the end, it's not the years in your life that count. It's the life in your years.
Bojas
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands2397 Posts
August 09 2012 18:07 GMT
#74
On August 10 2012 01:36 Denzil wrote:
Could be worse you could be me

I feel shit unless I get anything but 11-12

but when I do get my full 11-12 I feel like a god

I suffer from this as well. If I don't use my alarm I can just sleep all day, with alarm I only really feel awake when I get at least 10-11 hours of sleep.

I am thinking about trying out that 1,5 hours of sleep, wake up, sleep 1,5 hours etc. Or something like that, because sleeping a lot eats up so many hours of your day. ;( I am jealous of those people who only need 5 hours of sleep, you have so much more time!
Holy_AT
Profile Joined July 2010
Austria978 Posts
August 09 2012 18:07 GMT
#75
Stop spending work on your household so much, if you have a women let her do the things ! If you dont, you dont have to spend time on household, you are single man !
I go to bed at 2am and I am asleep probably half an hour later. I wake up at 6 and then half sleep until 7:20 thats when I get up shower, dress and go to work. I get back from work at ~ 17:45 I eat during work at the break so I do not require time cooking and stuff. Then I can play starcraft from 18:00 - till 2Am with cigaret breaks, drinking breaks and toilet breaks !
On weekends I sllep longer to regenerate.
My trick ? Living unhealthy, not working out massive amounts of adrenaline and coffine.
The downside ? I might die sooner, but thats maybe time you spent tiding up your household or sleeping so my time beeing awake will be about the same.
Cel.erity
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4890 Posts
August 09 2012 18:12 GMT
#76
I know this won't help you, but the Uberman sleep schedule is an effective (if impractical) way of cutting down your sleep time to 2 hours per day:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyphasic_sleep

I haven't experimented with the other forms of polyphasic sleep, but Uberman worked for me during the couple of short periods I attempted it. The problem is, it's wildly impractical to excuse yourself from whatever you're doing 6 times per day, and if you fall asleep at any other point (this was my biggest problem since I lay down a lot while watching movies or whatever) you're basically fucked and need to go through the adjustment period all over again.

For you, there are two things which may help:

1. Increase the restfulness of your sleep, by any means. Personally I've not been able to achieve this with any CDs or scents that claim to give you a better night's sleep, but you might have more success.

2. Get more motivation to wake up. One problem many people have is that, when they wake up, the first thing they have to do is get ready and go to work. This is going to make you feel awful and psychologically trick you into being tired. You may want to try going to sleep much earlier, and doing something fun before work for a couple of hours, like playing Starcraft or having a really nice breakfast every morning. The days where you have something to look forward to are much easier to face without getting tired.
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-09 19:14:18
August 09 2012 19:12 GMT
#77
During the school year, I clocked something like 5 hours of sleep a day. I ate a ridiculous amount-- something like 4 meals a day with quite a few snacks scattered throughout. It may be completely wrong and unscientific, but eating frequently throughout the day helped me stretch the amount of time I could function. I didn't really take in any caffeine (except for some green tea and ginseng, god I'm Asian) either. I also drank a lot of water.

I didn't really work out much like most of my friends. I ran maybe 3 or 4 times a week, that was it.

I think my case might be a different from most people. I don't gain weight easily, so food gets converted to energy for me pretty efficiently I guess.

Admittedly, this seems to be a temporary thing at best. I know that getting to the end of the year I was less than 100%.

When I got back for the summer, I slept a lot. I'd hit my bed at like 12, wouldn't wake up to the next 12. At home I eat a bit less as well. It's been getting better, and now I wake up before my 9:30 alarm goes off (don't hate too much on my alarm time). I'm guessing my sleep debt from the year has finally been paid off, and its time to go back to school and do it all over again.

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MaxViktory
Profile Joined June 2012
Sweden136 Posts
August 09 2012 19:24 GMT
#78
On August 09 2012 19:42 Solarsail wrote:
You need to sleep until you are rested. Getting less will make you feel and perform worse in the long term. It's unfortunate that you need 8.5-9 hours to feel rested when some people can get away with 6 or 7 but it's not something you can change. Supplements do not work.

I suggest moving closer to your job or finding some way to reduce that maintenance time, for example by making stews that last 3-4 days with one preparation time.


When I first started reading the comments I thought: Yeah, this guy is right. Leave the sleep alone.
But there seem to be quite some cool things out there. I was really impressed by r.Evo (the crazy guy who split his sleeping in 4 parts for a month), that seemed to be really good. The zeo stuff might be better but I have always had a thing for being brutal when it comes to my body.
I feel a huge difference between waking up by myself and waking up with an alarm. If I wake up with alarm I am tired and have a hard time getting started with my day but if I wake up by myself I feel really good the entire day. To do this I go to bed at the same time every night and start off with an alarm clock. After 1-2 weeks I have gotten into the rhythm and I will wake up at the same time but without alarm clock and feeling way better.
This summer changed my sleeping schedule back 3 hours. I went to sleep at 20:00 (8 PM) and woke up at 04-05:00. This was to give me more of my highest performing at home instead of at school. ;P I get tired in the afternoons.
In the morning I planned to do all my homework and run. I realized that sleeping like this would greatly effect my social life (other 16 yr olds don't live like that(and listen to bad music <3 beatles)).

Well... My point was that this thread has turned out really great and that maybe you should try getting rid of your alarm.
M4nkind
Profile Joined December 2011
Lithuania178 Posts
August 09 2012 19:56 GMT
#79
I am working in 3 shifts and i will tell how my sleep routine changes each time:

1. 6.00 - 14.00, I sleep from 15.30 to 18 and 00.00 - 4.30 so it makes total 7 hours.
2. 14.00 - 22.00, I sleep at 4.00 - 12.00, total 8hours
3. 22.00 - 5.00 I get my sleep at 6.30 - 11.00 and 18.00 - 20.00, total 6.5 hours

I could say that all times I feel good, maybe 1. is the hardest since at ~12.00-14.00 you start to feel a bit tired. My family always tells me that: day sleep > night sleep. The most powerful thing I saw are people that can take short nap of 15 mins during daytime, they sleep not much at night but that 15 mins makes them sooo much refreshed,. I heard namps of 30mins or more a bit hurts and you feel sleepy. Master that 15min nap and become pro at lil sleeping!
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Myles
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5162 Posts
August 09 2012 20:45 GMT
#80
Maybe it's just me, but no matter how long or short my sleep is I still wake up tired. In fact, unless I get like 3 hours of sleep, I think I feel pretty much the same whether I slept for 6, 8, or 10 hours.
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