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Mars Mission: Curiosity - Page 46
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POiNTx
Belgium309 Posts
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GohgamX
Canada1096 Posts
 Looking forward to the next two years lol | ||
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EchOne
United States2906 Posts
On August 08 2012 22:26 Hider wrote: Nice post: 1) No sources (needed for that kind post). 2) You think subjective values can be rationalized as objective values. http://www.pepsico.com/Download/Frito-Lay_Quick_Facts.pdf Apparently just this one company makes at least $13 billion in annual sales. | ||
m4inbrain
1505 Posts
On August 09 2012 00:33 EchOne wrote: http://www.pepsico.com/Download/Frito-Lay_Quick_Facts.pdf Apparently just this one company makes at least $13 billion in annual sales. .. Frito‐Lay products are exported to 79 countries around the globe, including military destinations. Rings a bell? Edit: again, dont get me wrong, im excited for the pictures - but thats mainly because i dont have to pay for them. If it were my taxmoney, i would like to see them spending it on different things (actually, we in [west]germany have such a thing, called "solidarity surcharge" for [east]germany and im pissed off about that as well). | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
yeah it's my favorite thing to come out of the mission so far | ||
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Vega62a
946 Posts
On August 09 2012 01:03 m4inbrain wrote: .. Frito‐Lay products are exported to 79 countries around the globe, including military destinations. Rings a bell? Edit: again, dont get me wrong, im excited for the pictures - but thats mainly because i dont have to pay for them. If it were my taxmoney, i would like to see them spending it on different things (actually, we in [west]germany have such a thing, called "solidarity surcharge" for [east]germany and im pissed off about that as well). You'd like to see them spending your tax money on something other than amazing innovations for the future and creating entirely new industries out of basically thin air? Like what? | ||
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stratmatt
United States913 Posts
On August 09 2012 01:18 Vega62a wrote: You'd like to see them spending your tax money on something other than amazing innovations for the future and creating entirely new industries out of basically thin air? Like what? dude, just ignore him. this isnt even a discussion worth having. | ||
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Duka08
3391 Posts
On August 09 2012 01:16 thrawn2112 wrote: yeah it's my favorite thing to come out of the mission so far Just for point of fact, that panorama is actually from Opportunity, noted in the description, not Curiosity. Collected over the past months. Which surprised me actually, coincidental timing with all the Curiosity buzz. Very cool image! | ||
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Medrea
10003 Posts
On August 08 2012 23:13 Vega62a wrote: I am going to keep posting this link until you actually read it. A list of uses private industry has found for technologies created by NASA and NASA's subcontractors since the 1970s. Edit: Note such gems in the 1970s as packaged food and quartz crystal clocks (which, in case you were curious, are what every computer currently uses as a time reference for its processor). Further note their innovations in the last few years in the fields of online security, HVAC systems (air conditioners), fuel pollutant control, fly-by-wire (which, by the way, gave me my first job as a software engineer), and global positioning systems Quartz clock is an urban legend. The Quartz clock predates Nasa by quite awhile. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA_spin-off_technologies Better source. | ||
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m4inbrain
1505 Posts
On August 09 2012 01:18 Vega62a wrote: You'd like to see them spending your tax money on something other than amazing innovations for the future and creating entirely new industries out of basically thin air? Like what? They dont make industries out of thin air, but out of billions of dollars, thats a difference. And i would like to see the amazing innovations that will come from that mission, what are we looking at? You really think every mission will have the same amount of "innovation" as the moon-landing did? Its not even funny, people are talking about nuclear fusion, even the proof of abiotic oil - seriously, what do you expect? I can promise you, none of the latter two will have any progress (we cant even prove abiotic oil on earth, because, you know, we cant dig deep enough - surely the marsrover that can dig like 5 cm deep will do it - and where nuclear fusion came from, i have no idea). If it were my taxmoney, i would like them to spend it on our infrastructure. Our streets are horrible (in the west, the east looks wonderful - they dont need to pay, but receive the solidarity surcharge). Even on science, but with more practical and immediate use (like, as someone mentioned, fusionreactors). "We" europeans (the french, actually) are building the first fusionreactor which seems to "create" more energy than it actually needs (you know, getting temperatures 10 times higher than the suns core is kinda energyconsuming). The mars rover will have no impact on that. Or on "us". Or to be more specific, on "our problems". Yeah, its a great accomplishment to land such a huge thing on mars, but dont get butthurt if someone thinks that other things are alot more worth spending money at. | ||
Klogon
MURICA15980 Posts
Let's talk more about Curious. | ||
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I_Love_Bacon
United States5765 Posts
On August 09 2012 04:21 m4inbrain wrote: They dont make industries out of thin air, but out of billions of dollars, thats a difference. And i would like to see the amazing innovations that will come from that mission, what are we looking at? You really think every mission will have the same amount of "innovation" as the moon-landing did? Its not even funny, people are talking about nuclear fusion, even the proof of abiotic oil - seriously, what do you expect? I can promise you, none of the latter two will have any progress (we cant even prove abiotic oil on earth, because, you know, we cant dig deep enough - surely the marsrover that can dig like 5 cm deep will do it - and where nuclear fusion came from, i have no idea). If it were my taxmoney, i would like them to spend it on our infrastructure. Our streets are horrible (in the west, the east looks wonderful - they dont need to pay, but receive the solidarity surcharge). Even on science, but with more practical and immediate use (like, as someone mentioned, fusionreactors). "We" europeans (the french, actually) are building the first fusionreactor which seems to "create" more energy than it actually needs (you know, getting temperatures 10 times higher than the suns core is kinda energyconsuming). The mars rover will have no impact on that. Or on "us". Or to be more specific, on "our problems". Yeah, its a great accomplishment to land such a huge thing on mars, but dont get butthurt if someone thinks that other things are alot more worth spending money at. Legit question: Why are you concerned what America spends a tiny percentage of its tax dollars on? Your problem, by the way, is that you're focusing on a sort of "what has my government done lately for me?" type of situation. Part of the reason so many areas have gone to shit is from this exact type of thinking. The boomers are criticized for focusing too much on present improvements instead of properly investing in the future. Yes, this money could be used for immediate use on Earth - but that's a worthless statement. Who is to say that the money that was spent on this wouldn't have gone to something else you consider frivolous? Ultimately, your posts are nothing but bitching and complaining with blanket statements that you basically know how to properly run the government and know exactly where to assign funding. I'm not sure why you're posting on TL if you have this remarkable gift. Quickly, go - run for public office in Germany and change the world with your new budget ideas. | ||
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Medrea
10003 Posts
On August 09 2012 04:21 m4inbrain wrote: They dont make industries out of thin air, but out of billions of dollars, thats a difference. And i would like to see the amazing innovations that will come from that mission, what are we looking at? You really think every mission will have the same amount of "innovation" as the moon-landing did? Its not even funny, people are talking about nuclear fusion, even the proof of abiotic oil - seriously, what do you expect? I can promise you, none of the latter two will have any progress (we cant even prove abiotic oil on earth, because, you know, we cant dig deep enough - surely the marsrover that can dig like 5 cm deep will do it - and where nuclear fusion came from, i have no idea). If it were my taxmoney, i would like them to spend it on our infrastructure. Our streets are horrible (in the west, the east looks wonderful - they dont need to pay, but receive the solidarity surcharge). Even on science, but with more practical and immediate use (like, as someone mentioned, fusionreactors). "We" europeans (the french, actually) are building the first fusionreactor which seems to "create" more energy than it actually needs (you know, getting temperatures 10 times higher than the suns core is kinda energyconsuming). The mars rover will have no impact on that. Or on "us". Or to be more specific, on "our problems". Yeah, its a great accomplishment to land such a huge thing on mars, but dont get butthurt if someone thinks that other things are alot more worth spending money at. I find it funny you list that experiment thats going on. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITER Its in France yes but its funded 45 percent by the EU and 9 percent by each of India, Japan, China, Russia, South Korea and the United States. So in all likelihood USA is probably in on that project equal to or greater than Frances personal stake depending on how you want to measure Frances contribution to the European Union. It was either France or Japan I guess. Japan is a good place but, yeah i mean natural disasters stink. In addition to this. NASA is already researching LENR. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=247932 It's ok to argue it isn't worth it. But the overwhelming amount of evidence, both historical and current, points to the fact that NASA is one of the best things to come out of the USA in a long long time. You'd be fighting an extremely uphill battle. | ||
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Louis8k8
Canada285 Posts
Also can't wait for some chemical reports from what they find out in ground. I keep wanting to say 'earth' instead of 'ground', but that doesn't really work  | ||
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rezoacken
Canada2719 Posts
On August 09 2012 04:21 m4inbrain wrote: They dont make industries out of thin air, but out of billions of dollars, thats a difference. And i would like to see the amazing innovations that will come from that mission, what are we looking at? You really think every mission will have the same amount of "innovation" as the moon-landing did? Its not even funny, people are talking about nuclear fusion, even the proof of abiotic oil - seriously, what do you expect? I can promise you, none of the latter two will have any progress (we cant even prove abiotic oil on earth, because, you know, we cant dig deep enough - surely the marsrover that can dig like 5 cm deep will do it - and where nuclear fusion came from, i have no idea). If it were my taxmoney, i would like them to spend it on our infrastructure. Our streets are horrible (in the west, the east looks wonderful - they dont need to pay, but receive the solidarity surcharge). Even on science, but with more practical and immediate use (like, as someone mentioned, fusionreactors). "We" europeans (the french, actually) are building the first fusionreactor which seems to "create" more energy than it actually needs (you know, getting temperatures 10 times higher than the suns core is kinda energyconsuming). The mars rover will have no impact on that. Or on "us". Or to be more specific, on "our problems". Yeah, its a great accomplishment to land such a huge thing on mars, but dont get butthurt if someone thinks that other things are alot more worth spending money at. Dude, progress in an area isn't linear. Progress in an area is dependent on the progress in other areas. Yeah, maybe MSL won't revolutionize life on earth. But maybe the next mission will, because engineers will resolve a problem that will have ramifications in another area (and obviously you can't skip steps). That's just how technology has always worked, it's about solving problems and using solutions from every different fields. Point taken, there may be better short term goals. But when talking about long term technological progress there is no field of engineering research not worth exploring. Also I'm not sure how such a tiny amount would have changed our life anyway. The budget of space exploration is already VERY SMALL. If your street looks like shit, it is not in this budget that you should look into to get it repaired, to be honest. | ||
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starfries
Canada3508 Posts
On August 09 2012 04:21 m4inbrain wrote: They dont make industries out of thin air, but out of billions of dollars, thats a difference. And i would like to see the amazing innovations that will come from that mission, what are we looking at? You really think every mission will have the same amount of "innovation" as the moon-landing did? Its not even funny, people are talking about nuclear fusion, even the proof of abiotic oil - seriously, what do you expect? I can promise you, none of the latter two will have any progress (we cant even prove abiotic oil on earth, because, you know, we cant dig deep enough - surely the marsrover that can dig like 5 cm deep will do it - and where nuclear fusion came from, i have no idea). If it were my taxmoney, i would like them to spend it on our infrastructure. Our streets are horrible (in the west, the east looks wonderful - they dont need to pay, but receive the solidarity surcharge). Even on science, but with more practical and immediate use (like, as someone mentioned, fusionreactors). "We" europeans (the french, actually) are building the first fusionreactor which seems to "create" more energy than it actually needs (you know, getting temperatures 10 times higher than the suns core is kinda energyconsuming). The mars rover will have no impact on that. Or on "us". Or to be more specific, on "our problems". Yeah, its a great accomplishment to land such a huge thing on mars, but dont get butthurt if someone thinks that other things are alot more worth spending money at. You act like we're spending most of our money on the space program. Look: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/HqxVo.png) The space budget is about 17 or 18 billion, which is less than half of one percent. Are you really going to blame the potholes in the street on the space program? | ||
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stratmatt
United States913 Posts
On August 09 2012 05:24 starfries wrote: You act like we're spending most of our money on the space program. Look: The space budget is about 17 or 18 billion, which is less than half of one percent. Are you really going to blame the potholes in the street on the space program? All these people are trying to do is use misdirection to suck the excitment out of us and stop us from enjoying NASA's success. I dunno if its some kind of foreigner jealousy over the US space program or what, but none of these economic arguments against curioisty hold any weight whatsoever and should be completely ignored by anyone older than 14. | ||
imallinson
United Kingdom3482 Posts
On August 09 2012 01:03 m4inbrain wrote: .. Frito‐Lay products are exported to 79 countries around the globe, including military destinations. Rings a bell? Edit: again, dont get me wrong, im excited for the pictures - but thats mainly because i dont have to pay for them. If it were my taxmoney, i would like to see them spending it on different things (actually, we in [west]germany have such a thing, called "solidarity surcharge" for [east]germany and im pissed off about that as well). The cost of MSL was $7 per US taxpayer, for a 10 year project. I'm sure everyone of those taxpayers spent more than that on considerably more frivolous stuff than a mission to Mars design to do a lot of scientific research. | ||
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Thenerf
United States258 Posts
Filling potholes is a state responsibility. It's more like blaming them for not giving universal healthcare. I'm not trying to argue a point, most US citizens don't realize just how little the federal government actually does for the individual. | ||
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Trowa127
United Kingdom1230 Posts
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