EPTStarcraft II Considered For Future Olympics - Page 6
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Xyik
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kochanfe
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Drizzt3
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MayorITC
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The WCG already has a good infrastructure that reflects the ephemeral nature of video games. They consistently add new titles while taking out outdated ones. It seems better to keep WCG and Olympics separate for both practical and ideal reasons. | ||
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On August 03 2012 08:58 Xyik wrote: Tetris is easily mastered, if people played and practiced Tetris as hard as they practiced Starcraft it would be conquered and we'd have pro-gamers playing near perfect games for hours. competitive tetris is about playing against other people so even if you "master" it, you still have to beat someone else... | ||
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StorkHwaiting
United States3465 Posts
On August 03 2012 08:54 MethodSC wrote: that's simply not true. the olympic bows only have around 50 pounds of draw weight, which is the average for hunting. I used to shoot with my dads 55 pound draw and it was tough, but I was only 16, and not even that swoll. Could your average gamer do it? I'd say yeah, they probably could, just maybe 5 shots, most likely less. Exactly what I was about to say. Glad I read the rest of the thread so I didn't repeat. 48 lb draw weight is Olympic men's standard. That's not much. I used a 75lb draw weight bow when I was 15 during summer camp just to prove to the other kiddies that I could. If that's your definition of "incredibly strong arm muscles" any guy who spends a decent amount of time at the gym must seem like a real-life Juggernaut. Here is an image of an Olympic archery athlete: http://www.olympic.org/Global/Images/News/2011-11/02/IM_Medium.jpg Somehow, I'm not seeing where your claims of incredible arm-strength are coming into play. | ||
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Tosster
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That will be hard though, Olympics are highly conservative. | ||
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Fischbacher
Canada666 Posts
To get into the Olympics, the first step is to have an International Federation with affiliated national federations in many countries across most (if not all) continents. The International Federation must be of significant importance - essentially for StarCraft we would need a KeSPA-like organization but that has worldwide jurisdiction. Not something I foresee happening anytime soon. The closest thing to an international body eSports has is the International eSports federation (IeSF) but they couldn't even get South Koreans to take part in a tournament they organized in South Korea. For the records, the IeSF is currently recognized by the Olympic Council of Asia but not by any other branches of the Olympic moment. Second step is to get said International Federation to be recognized by the IOC (International Olympic Committee) as the proper governing body for the sport. For this to realisticly happen you need about 50 national federations across 5 continents. Third step, you need at /least/ 100 national federation across 5 continents to even be eligible to apply to become part of the games. The restriction is much lower for the Winter Olympics, but as the Winter Olympics require the event to take place on ice or snow eSports is not eligible. Fourth step, petition the IOC's executive board to be shortlisted as a potential sport. This process is actually a huge hurdle. For 2020, the shortlisted sports are Baseball/Softball, Squash, Roller Sports (Roller blade speed skating), Sports Climbing, Wakeboarding and Wushu (modern Kungfu). Some sports like Bowling and Chess have been trying to get over this hurdle for years with no success. Fifth step, hope and pray one of the current 28 sports gets dropped. Sixth step, hope and pray your sport replaces on of the sport(s) to get dropped. Seventh step: wait seven years until your sport is held at the Olympics for the first time. Oh, and there is the issue of gender equality. No new event can be added if it isn't gender inclusive. Beyond all other issues, including the lack of a credible IF and the fact that eSports is arguably way too volatile to be included into a quadrennial event, the lack of female competitors in eSports really would hurt any bid. Essentially unless we get to a situation where 30-50% of credible programmers are female any bid would need to include female-only events in equal number to male-only events, and the extremely shallow tallent pool of such events would probably tank any bid anyway. Point is, if we see eSports at the Olympics it won't be for at least another 20 years, if everything goes absolutely perfectly. Going perfectly includes: 1. a credible eSports federation that has real power over MLGs, IPLs, KeSPA, Gom, et cetera sometime two years ago. 2. a sudden and dramatic rise in the number of quality female progamer and either a. female progamers becoming regular challengers and winners in big eSports events or b. a near-equal number of female-only events to coincide with the number of current de-facto male-only events. 3. A regular world championship organized by the credible eSports federation. 4. Inclusion into the regular Asian Games (indoor Asian Games is nice but pretty much meaningless) and Pan-Am games. 5. eSports programmers being subject to regular and random out of competition and in competition drug testing (yes, requirement to even be considered for the Olympics, no matter the sport). Also, an eSports bid would probably need to be for eSports in general, with events being "categories" of games that would be filled by the most popular game of the quadrennial that fits into the category. That's the only way to get arround how volatile eSports is. So essentially at every Olympics there could be a specific number of events for RTSs, FPSs, racing games, MOBAs, fighets, et cetera but those slots might be filled by different games every time. Did I mention it's not happening anytime soon, if ever? On August 03 2012 08:14 Leporello wrote: Equastrian events are kind of borderline, imo. The horse should get the medal. I wouldn't be sad if they left the Olympics. The horses do get medals at the Olympics :-P | ||
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stevarius
United States1394 Posts
On August 03 2012 09:08 Tosster wrote: Ofcourse i would like to see starcraft at Olympics. I dont understand why the fuck No. Its discipline, where if you are better than your opponents (by hard training/beign smart and hard training/beign creative and hard training/all of those aspects) you deserve a win. So what makes it different or worse from other sports? Its completely same. I dont know how someone who is better than everyone in the world in decent sized competitors scene, doesnt deserve a medal. So yes, i want Starcraft at Olympics. That will be hard though, Olympics are highly conservative. Starcraft has little to nothing in common with any of the current olympic events. The fuck is wrong with you people? e-sports do NOT belong at the olympic games. fuuuuuuuuuuuuu | ||
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Nazeron
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Kenpachi
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AnachronisticAnarchy
United States2957 Posts
On August 03 2012 09:09 Fischbacher wrote: + Show Spoiler + This is never going to happen for StarCraft II and not for years and years for e-sports in general. Here is why: To get into the Olympics, the first step is to have an International Federation with affiliated national federations in many countries across most (if not all) continents. The International Federation must be of significant importance - essentially for StarCraft we would need a KeSPA-like organization but that has worldwide jurisdiction. Not something I foresee happening anytime soon. The closest thing to an international body eSports has is the International eSports federation (IeSF) but they couldn't even get South Koreans to take part in a tournament they organized in South Korea. For the records, the IeSF is currently recognized by the Olympic Council of Asia but not by any other branches of the Olympic moment. Second step is to get said International Federation to be recognized by the IOC (International Olympic Committee) as the proper governing body for the sport. For this to realisticly happen you need about 50 national federations across 5 continents. Third step, you need at /least/ 100 national federation across 5 continents to even be eligible to apply to become part of the games. The restriction is much lower for the Winter Olympics, but as the Winter Olympics require the event to take place on ice or snow eSports is not eligible. Fourth step, petition the IOC's executive board to be shortlisted as a potential sport. This process is actually a huge hurdle. For 2020, the shortlisted sports are Baseball/Softball, Squash, Roller Sports (Roller blade speed skating), Sports Climbing, Wakeboarding and Wushu (modern Kungfu). Some sports like Bowling and Chess have been trying to get over this hurdle for years with no success. Fifth step, hope and pray one of the current 28 sports gets dropped. Sixth step, hope and pray your sport replaces on of the sport(s) to get dropped. Seventh step: wait seven years until your sport is held at the Olympics for the first time. Oh, and there is the issue of gender equality. No new event can be added if it isn't gender inclusive. Beyond all other issues, including the lack of a credible IF and the fact that eSports is arguably way too volatile to be included into a quadrennial event, the lack of female competitors in eSports really would hurt any bid. Essentially unless we get to a situation where 30-50% of credible programmers are female any bid would need to include female-only events in equal number to male-only events, and the extremely shallow tallent pool of such events would probably tank any bid anyway. Point is, if we see eSports at the Olympics it won't be for at least another 20 years, if everything goes absolutely perfectly. On August 03 2012 08:14 Leporello wrote: Equastrian events are kind of borderline, imo. The horse should get the medal. I wouldn't be sad if they left the Olympics. The horses do get medals at the Olympics :-P Now we know, Starcraft 2 won't get into the Olympics ever. Starcraft 4, on the other hand... | ||
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1Eris1
United States5797 Posts
edit: It doesn't mean Starcraft II can't be recognized, like say Chess is, but it doesn't belong there. | ||
white_horse
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On August 03 2012 09:09 Fischbacher wrote: This is never going to happen for StarCraft II and not for years and years for e-sports in general. Here is why: To get into the Olympics, the first step is to have an International Federation with affiliated national federations in many countries across most (if not all) continents. The International Federation must be of significant importance - essentially for StarCraft we would need a KeSPA-like organization but that has worldwide jurisdiction. Not something I foresee happening anytime soon. The closest thing to an international body eSports has is the International eSports federation (IeSF) but they couldn't even get South Koreans to take part in a tournament they organized in South Korea. For the records, the IeSF is currently recognized by the Olympic Council of Asia but not by any other branches of the Olympic moment. Second step is to get said International Federation to be recognized by the IOC (International Olympic Committee) as the proper governing body for the sport. For this to realisticly happen you need about 50 national federations across 5 continents. Third step, you need at /least/ 100 national federation across 5 continents to even be eligible to apply to become part of the games. The restriction is much lower for the Winter Olympics, but as the Winter Olympics require the event to take place on ice or snow eSports is not eligible. Fourth step, petition the IOC's executive board to be shortlisted as a potential sport. This process is actually a huge hurdle. For 2020, the shortlisted sports are Baseball/Softball, Squash, Roller Sports (Roller blade speed skating), Sports Climbing, Wakeboarding and Wushu (modern Kungfu). Some sports like Bowling and Chess have been trying to get over this hurdle for years with no success. Fifth step, hope and pray one of the current 28 sports gets dropped. Sixth step, hope and pray your sport replaces on of the sport(s) to get dropped. Seventh step: wait seven years until your sport is held at the Olympics for the first time. Oh, and there is the issue of gender equality. No new event can be added if it isn't gender inclusive. Beyond all other issues, including the lack of a credible IF and the fact that eSports is arguably way too volatile to be included into a quadrennial event, the lack of female competitors in eSports really would hurt any bid. Essentially unless we get to a situation where 30-50% of credible programmers are female any bid would need to include female-only events in equal number to male-only events, and the extremely shallow tallent pool of such events would probably tank any bid anyway. Point is, if we see eSports at the Olympics it won't be for at least another 20 years, if everything goes absolutely perfectly. ^lmao. I guess the idea that SC2 ends up in the olympics is basically just a total fantasy. Just because you think SC2 is a big deal doesn't mean that other people think even remotely close to it. Olympics should be left to sports that require physical skill and training. | ||
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Fischbacher
Canada666 Posts
On August 03 2012 09:20 white_horse wrote: ^lmao. I guess the idea that SC2 ends up in the olympics is basically just a total fantasy. Just because you think SC2 is a big deal doesn't mean that other people think even remotely close to it. Olympics should be left to sports that require physical skill and training. Most people have no clue how sports get into the Olympics. I've followed Squash's quest to get into the Olympics really closely over the past decade so I have a pretty good idea on how hard it is for a sport to get into the Olympics nowadays. It's not something most people are aware of. Around Olympic time the media keeps making really dumb "X is considered for the Olympics" that have so little basis in truth it physically hurts. | ||
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Sinensis
United States2513 Posts
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Xiphos
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Thenerf
United States258 Posts
That is also the worlds least reliable poll. | ||
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TommyP
United States6231 Posts
On August 03 2012 07:35 EpiK wrote: what's the point of having this poll in a starcraft2 forum lol exactly my thought. Also why cant you have LoL and SC2 both? There could also be individual and team for SC2.Both are good games, although I would prefer SC2 obviously. | ||
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synapse
China13814 Posts
On August 03 2012 09:23 Xiphos wrote: If there is any video games that could be inducted to the Olympic, it will have to be DDR. Ever tried playing that game for more than 3 hours? Oh man, the sweat down my ballz. I agree with this, if any video game should be there it should be DDR. On August 03 2012 08:58 Xyik wrote: Tetris is easily mastered, if people played and practiced Tetris as hard as they practiced Starcraft it would be conquered and we'd have pro-gamers playing near perfect games for hours. Competitive tetris isn't about playing the game until you lose. There are vs. modes. | ||
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