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On August 03 2012 08:25 hifriend wrote:
So I just learned that sc2 apparently doesn't have a physical component. Am I the only one finding myself amazed at the fact that despite this being the case, lots of pros are suffering from carpal tunnel and other injuries caused by physical strain on their bodies? Astounding.
My friend, who's an artist, got carpal tunnel by doing sketches on a tablet.
...the rate of carpal tunnel among athletes is a lot lower among athletes, you know why?
Because carpal tunnel is caused by bad posture when using one's hands(keyboards make that worse).
So I'm not sure where you're coming from.
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On August 03 2012 08:14 Leporello wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 08:06 StorkHwaiting wrote:On August 03 2012 08:00 Praetorial wrote:On August 03 2012 07:57 kill619 wrote:On August 03 2012 07:36 llamasrule1214 wrote:
Eh, while this is a interesting idea, i feel like its kinda disregarding the tradition of the Olympics, physical competition among the best in the world, and E-Sports doesn't really have that feeling. Being a high level swimmer myself, I know from a first-hand POV that the work ethic needed to be even remotely OK at any sport is ridicioulous, both mentally and physcially, one must push themselves, but E-Sports like sc2 doesn't have the physical component. The Olympics, imo, should be a place of the world's physical best only. just my 2 very biased cents. While i agree with the notion that Olympics are for more physical sports than SC, its kind of hard to argue that being able to move your hands as fast as the best Starcraft players on the planet do, averaging 200+ epm, isn't physically demanding. While it isn't as hard as running, swimming, jumping etc. it's not like anyone can just have 200+ epm while doing all the thinking required to play sc, let alone move their hands that fast for that long. Working one's thumbs and hands over a keyboard, with excellent hand-eye coordination, is a skill that I'd love to have. It doesn't deserve a spot at the pinnacle of human physical prowess. I don't understand your logic. Working one's thumb and hands over a bow with excellent hand eye coordination is called archery. It's in the Olympics. Does that deserve a spot at the pinnacle of human physical prowess? Archery isn't the most physically athletic sport, but it is more directly dexterous than gaming. The finesse required to place an arrow at long range, taking wind into account, requires devotion and practice. There are more subtleties there than pushing the right keyboard/mouse buttons at the right time. Besides that, it's also one of the most universal and historical sports. Equastrian events are kind of borderline, imo. The horse should get the medal. I wouldn't be sad if they left the Olympics. But video games will never be in the Olympics. It just feels insulting to the whole tradition.
Putting aside arguments of historical significance, I think you don't understand enough about esports if you think that "pushing the right keyboard/mouse buttons at the right time" is less subtle than the unnamed subtleties in archery. Granted I don't understand enough about archery and I certainly don't know how much physical prowess required to draw a bow, so there might be a point in that. However I think it's arguable if you require more dexterity, devotion and practice to be an archer than to be a progamer.
I would like to know how people feel about other olympic events like golf (in 2016), table tennis or shooting. As an uninformed viewer it doesn't seem like those sports require more athleticism than progaming. By that, I mean that all those sports require dexterity, hand-eye coordination, reflex and a high degree of knowledge to adjust to different situations. Just like in esports.
I think what really holds back video games in the olympics, and mass media in general, is that it is almost impossible to relate to the viewer how hard the players have to work to do what they're doing. All you're seeing are avatars and possibly really quick hand/eye movements, but you don't really know how hard it is. I think it is akin to something like golf or chess. It is really hard to see why what those athletes are doing is actually difficult.
Edit: So many grammatical errors. 
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On August 03 2012 08:33 garbanzo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 08:14 Leporello wrote:On August 03 2012 08:06 StorkHwaiting wrote:On August 03 2012 08:00 Praetorial wrote:On August 03 2012 07:57 kill619 wrote:On August 03 2012 07:36 llamasrule1214 wrote:
Eh, while this is a interesting idea, i feel like its kinda disregarding the tradition of the Olympics, physical competition among the best in the world, and E-Sports doesn't really have that feeling. Being a high level swimmer myself, I know from a first-hand POV that the work ethic needed to be even remotely OK at any sport is ridicioulous, both mentally and physcially, one must push themselves, but E-Sports like sc2 doesn't have the physical component. The Olympics, imo, should be a place of the world's physical best only. just my 2 very biased cents. While i agree with the notion that Olympics are for more physical sports than SC, its kind of hard to argue that being able to move your hands as fast as the best Starcraft players on the planet do, averaging 200+ epm, isn't physically demanding. While it isn't as hard as running, swimming, jumping etc. it's not like anyone can just have 200+ epm while doing all the thinking required to play sc, let alone move their hands that fast for that long. Working one's thumbs and hands over a keyboard, with excellent hand-eye coordination, is a skill that I'd love to have. It doesn't deserve a spot at the pinnacle of human physical prowess. I don't understand your logic. Working one's thumb and hands over a bow with excellent hand eye coordination is called archery. It's in the Olympics. Does that deserve a spot at the pinnacle of human physical prowess? Archery isn't the most physically athletic sport, but it is more directly dexterous than gaming. The finesse required to place an arrow at long range, taking wind into account, requires devotion and practice. There are more subtleties there than pushing the right keyboard/mouse buttons at the right time. Besides that, it's also one of the most universal and historical sports. Equastrian events are kind of borderline, imo. The horse should get the medal. I wouldn't be sad if they left the Olympics. But video games will never be in the Olympics. It just feels insulting to the whole tradition. Putting aside arguments of historical significance, I think you don't understand enough about esports if you think that "pushing the right keyboard/mouse buttons at the right time" is less subtle than the unnamed subtleties in archery. Granted I don't understand enough about archery and I certainly don't know how much physical prowess there is required to draw a bow, so there might be a point in that. However I think it's arguable if you require more dexterity, devotion and practice to be archer than to be a progamer. I would like to know how people feel about other olympic events like golf (in 2016), table tennis or shooting. As an uninformed viewer it doesn't seem like those sports require more athleticism than progaming. In that all those sports require dexterity, hand-eye coordination, reflex and a high degree of knowledge to adjust to different situations. Just like in esports. I think what really holds back video games in the olympics in general is that it is almost impossible to relate to the viewer how hard the players have to work to do what their doing. All your seeing are avatars and possibly really quick hand/eye movements, but you don't really know how hard it is. I think it is akin to something like golf or chess. It is really hard to see why what those athletes are doing is actually difficult.
And all of them require high physical prowess and endurance, even shooting and ping pong, to be played at a competitive level.
Does Starcraft have that?
I thought so.
But yeah, I agree, a sport needs to be relatable, with the human element being emphasized.
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Just get a new commitee for WCG and that will be even better, get them to hire better people. Kick out the cellphone games and get to it be huge, thats what I want.
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Olympic sports to me are a challenge in the physical aspect of the human body. Though SC2 can be really difficult, most of it is mental. The focus is not on the physical portion when it comes to starcraft, although APM gets really important at the pro levels. Even then, you don't need as much apm as you would in Brood War.
I would say Tetris might be pushing it, but SC is a no-go for me.
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On August 03 2012 08:31 Praetorial wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 08:25 hifriend wrote:
So I just learned that sc2 apparently doesn't have a physical component. Am I the only one finding myself amazed at the fact that despite this being the case, lots of pros are suffering from carpal tunnel and other injuries caused by physical strain on their bodies? Astounding. My friend, who's an artist, got carpal tunnel by doing sketches on a tablet. ...the rate of carpal tunnel among athletes is a lot lower among athletes, you know why? Because carpal tunnel is caused by bad posture when using one's hands(keyboards make that worse). So I'm not sure where you're coming from.
Are you saying sketching on a tablet doesn't have a physical component to it? I never said the physical aspect alone makes something a sport.
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A 'sport' that involves primarily out of shape motherfuckers wailing on a keyboard is not suitable as an olympic game.
Have your own e-sports olympic games.
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HD_Blink (and Japan/Korea) OP at tetris battle. Too bad TOJ died (not that I used it, but apparently that's where all the good players play...)
man I'm so bad at Tetris now too hard
On August 03 2012 08:36 Praetorial wrote:
And all of them require high physical prowess and endurance, even shooting and ping pong, to be played at a competitive level.
Does Starcraft have that?
BW does. Ever played a 45-minute match where you were shaking afterward from the sheer concentration?
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On August 03 2012 08:40 ]343[ wrote:HD_Blink (and Japan/Korea) OP at tetris battle. Too bad TOJ died (not that I used it, but apparently that's where all the good players play...) man I'm so bad at Tetris now too hard Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 08:36 Praetorial wrote:
And all of them require high physical prowess and endurance, even shooting and ping pong, to be played at a competitive level.
Does Starcraft have that?
BW does. Ever played a 45-minute match where you were shaking afterward from the sheer concentration?
Hell yeah.
Were my muscles tired for a few minutes afterward? Heck yes.
For several hours, like after running for an hour or playing badminton for several?
No. Never.
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Bad representation of video games as a whole, but it's Fox News, what were you expecting. Video games shouldn't be in the olympics, at least not right now. It'll just be ridiculed by the vast majority of people who watch traditional sports. E-sports would have to be widely, and I mean widely accepted in the mainstream before we can ever consider something like this.
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I'm all for international E-sports competitions, but that should be separate from the Olympics.
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Well, they could put LoL as the Paralympics version of the Olympic Dota
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Since the Olympics doesn't allow sports with any element of motorisation, I highly doubt they'd get a sport that you have to use a computer to compete with.
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Those news reporters make me feel sick. No wonder the term 'ignorant Americans' exists when news reporters act like complete douches. Ok, they might think video games are nerdy and silly, but shitting on badminton? Why? Other countries don't shit on baseball and american football, which are far more niche than badminton, so why should these reporters mock the fastest and one of the most difficult racquet sports.
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League of Legends is a joke of a game... it's unbelievable that such an easy game can even been considered as an esport.
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On August 03 2012 07:53 StorkHwaiting wrote:
Broodwar, yes. SC2, hell no.
this. SC2 isn't anywhere near that level yet.
EDIT: fox news.
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There's way too much volatility/land slide advantages and luck involved in SC2, (at least at the moment) for me to really consider it a legitimate sport Edit: by this I mean a 'sport' in the same fashion one considers tennis or football a sport.
Where are our Anderson Silva/Fedor/JSP, our Roger Federer/Djokovic/Nadal, our Spain/Brazil/Italy football teams and so on.
I find it a bit disconcerting to see, for example, ROG spoilers+ Show Spoiler +Demuslim losing one best of five 0-3 only to replay the same guy and win 3-1
There may be ways to reduce this, such as extending all series to bo7, or all the familiar explanations for the game's volaility like the game is young and not figured out, players having bad days, (which, whilst true, doesn't explain away SC2s extreme volatility) and so on.
This isn't even considering the actual balancing of a game with three distinct races which require different skills to utilise to their full potential.
Finally, the fact SC is a science fiction based RTS probably doesn't do it many favours in terms of mainstream appeal.
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No BW, CS, or SSF4 options?
Not that it would matter for me. No e-sport should be in the olympics, they should be separate.
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On August 03 2012 08:11 Praetorial wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 08:06 StorkHwaiting wrote:On August 03 2012 08:00 Praetorial wrote:On August 03 2012 07:57 kill619 wrote:On August 03 2012 07:36 llamasrule1214 wrote:
Eh, while this is a interesting idea, i feel like its kinda disregarding the tradition of the Olympics, physical competition among the best in the world, and E-Sports doesn't really have that feeling. Being a high level swimmer myself, I know from a first-hand POV that the work ethic needed to be even remotely OK at any sport is ridicioulous, both mentally and physcially, one must push themselves, but E-Sports like sc2 doesn't have the physical component. The Olympics, imo, should be a place of the world's physical best only. just my 2 very biased cents. While i agree with the notion that Olympics are for more physical sports than SC, its kind of hard to argue that being able to move your hands as fast as the best Starcraft players on the planet do, averaging 200+ epm, isn't physically demanding. While it isn't as hard as running, swimming, jumping etc. it's not like anyone can just have 200+ epm while doing all the thinking required to play sc, let alone move their hands that fast for that long. Working one's thumbs and hands over a keyboard, with excellent hand-eye coordination, is a skill that I'd love to have. It doesn't deserve a spot at the pinnacle of human physical prowess. I don't understand your logic. Working one's thumb and hands over a bow with excellent hand eye coordination is called archery. It's in the Olympics. Does that deserve a spot at the pinnacle of human physical prowess? Do you have any concept of how much strength it takes to draw a bow? Archers need incredibly strong arm muscles to do what they do. I lift regularly, and it would be insanely difficult for me to draw one of the bows being used at the Olympics. Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 08:09 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
I'd rather see Bowling as an Olympic Sport and I hate Bowling. Yes, I agree.
that's simply not true. the olympic bows only have around 50 pounds of draw weight, which is the average for hunting. I used to shoot with my dads 55 pound draw and it was tough, but I was only 16, and not even that swoll. Could your average gamer do it? I'd say yeah, they probably could, just maybe 5 shots, most likely less.
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