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RandomAccount#49059
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2140 Posts
August 04 2012 01:14 GMT
#381
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MrF
Profile Joined October 2011
United States320 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-04 01:24:28
August 04 2012 01:23 GMT
#382
On August 03 2012 08:36 Praetorial wrote:
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On August 03 2012 08:33 garbanzo wrote:
On August 03 2012 08:14 Leporello wrote:
On August 03 2012 08:06 StorkHwaiting wrote:
On August 03 2012 08:00 Praetorial wrote:
On August 03 2012 07:57 kill619 wrote:
On August 03 2012 07:36 llamasrule1214 wrote:
Eh, while this is a interesting idea, i feel like its kinda disregarding the tradition of the Olympics, physical competition among the best in the world, and E-Sports doesn't really have that feeling. Being a high level swimmer myself, I know from a first-hand POV that the work ethic needed to be even remotely OK at any sport is ridicioulous, both mentally and physcially, one must push themselves, but E-Sports like sc2 doesn't have the physical component. The Olympics, imo, should be a place of the world's physical best only. just my 2 very biased cents.


While i agree with the notion that Olympics are for more physical sports than SC, its kind of hard to argue that being able to move your hands as fast as the best Starcraft players on the planet do, averaging 200+ epm, isn't physically demanding. While it isn't as hard as running, swimming, jumping etc. it's not like anyone can just have 200+ epm while doing all the thinking required to play sc, let alone move their hands that fast for that long.


Working one's thumbs and hands over a keyboard, with excellent hand-eye coordination, is a skill that I'd love to have.

It doesn't deserve a spot at the pinnacle of human physical prowess.


I don't understand your logic. Working one's thumb and hands over a bow with excellent hand eye coordination is called archery. It's in the Olympics. Does that deserve a spot at the pinnacle of human physical prowess?


Archery isn't the most physically athletic sport, but it is more directly dexterous than gaming. The finesse required to place an arrow at long range, taking wind into account, requires devotion and practice. There are more subtleties there than pushing the right keyboard/mouse buttons at the right time. Besides that, it's also one of the most universal and historical sports.

Equastrian events are kind of borderline, imo. The horse should get the medal. I wouldn't be sad if they left the Olympics.

But video games will never be in the Olympics. It just feels insulting to the whole tradition.


Putting aside arguments of historical significance, I think you don't understand enough about esports if you think that "pushing the right keyboard/mouse buttons at the right time" is less subtle than the unnamed subtleties in archery. Granted I don't understand enough about archery and I certainly don't know how much physical prowess there is required to draw a bow, so there might be a point in that. However I think it's arguable if you require more dexterity, devotion and practice to be archer than to be a progamer.

I would like to know how people feel about other olympic events like golf (in 2016), table tennis or shooting. As an uninformed viewer it doesn't seem like those sports require more athleticism than progaming. In that all those sports require dexterity, hand-eye coordination, reflex and a high degree of knowledge to adjust to different situations. Just like in esports.

I think what really holds back video games in the olympics in general is that it is almost impossible to relate to the viewer how hard the players have to work to do what their doing. All your seeing are avatars and possibly really quick hand/eye movements, but you don't really know how hard it is. I think it is akin to something like golf or chess. It is really hard to see why what those athletes are doing is actually difficult.


And all of them require high physical prowess and endurance, even shooting and ping pong, to be played at a competitive level.

Does Starcraft have that?

I thought so.

But yeah, I agree, a sport needs to be relatable, with the human element being emphasized.

ok ping pong and shooting require massively different amounts of endurance and physical prowess and shooting, if it is an olympic sport, requires pulling a trigger and good hand eye coordination thats it, unless they are nunning around and shooting while doing cartwheels i dont see the physical strain there.
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slappy
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1271 Posts
August 04 2012 01:25 GMT
#383
no Brood War option? :/
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Ace1123
Profile Joined September 2011
Philippines1187 Posts
August 04 2012 01:27 GMT
#384
I think Sc2,Lol, tetris And Dota must all be in the olympics.
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Hoon
Profile Joined December 2010
Brazil891 Posts
August 04 2012 01:30 GMT
#385
if, theorically, SC2 becomes an Olympic Sport, will the IOC own part of the game alogside with Blizzard?
Would Blizzard have to consult the IOC everytime they decided to apply a balance patch?
Would IOC become the main mapmaker, since they are the ones who "make the rules"?
Would kids have SC2 in their Phys. Ed. Classes?

I know SC2 and any other electronic game is nowhere near a sport, but it's funny thinking about those stuff.
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Essbee
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada2371 Posts
August 04 2012 01:47 GMT
#386
On August 04 2012 10:25 slappy wrote:
no Brood War option? :/


IMABUNNEH
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom1062 Posts
August 04 2012 01:51 GMT
#387
Female news presenter:

"That's sad".


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xrapture
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1644 Posts
August 04 2012 01:54 GMT
#388
Can't say I'm surprised. In today's society 30 minutes walking on a treadmill is considered "daily excercise", 20 lbs overweight is considered "normal body type," and I guess sitting on your ass playing a video game is considered a "sport."
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-NegativeZero-
Profile Joined August 2011
United States2142 Posts
August 04 2012 01:57 GMT
#389
On August 04 2012 10:54 xrapture wrote:
Can't say I'm surprised. In today's society 30 minutes walking on a treadmill is considered "daily excercise", 20 lbs overweight is considered "normal body type," and I guess sitting on your ass playing a video game is considered a "sport."

Why not? Chess has been considered a sport for a long time, and if anything Starcraft requires more physical effort than chess does.
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Nilrem
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3684 Posts
August 04 2012 02:00 GMT
#390
Would really hope DotA 2 would be included. Of course, seeing as it is in closed beta with lower player base, it would not be the first choice. But it would be amazing :-)
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sparkk51
Profile Joined August 2011
United States137 Posts
August 04 2012 02:06 GMT
#391
You know, even if Starcraft II were to be legitimately considered as an olympic sport, I dont think it would pass considering that races are inherently unequal in advantages/disadvantages.
tehneXus
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia38 Posts
August 04 2012 02:20 GMT
#392
I would just rather keep it as physical competition, as it would ruin tradition. Keep starcraft and video games to their own tournaments.
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Roe
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada6002 Posts
August 04 2012 02:23 GMT
#393
If any esport is in the olympics, it should be brood war. much more physically demanding ;p
docvoc
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States5491 Posts
August 04 2012 02:32 GMT
#394
The thing is that LoL would probably qualify as a team sport rather than an individual sport, so that may change the things a bit.
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Feartheguru
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada1334 Posts
August 04 2012 02:38 GMT
#395
Until chess gets in there is 0 hope for Starcraft.
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M4nkind
Profile Joined December 2011
Lithuania178 Posts
August 04 2012 03:27 GMT
#396
On August 04 2012 10:57 -NegativeZero- wrote:
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On August 04 2012 10:54 xrapture wrote:
Can't say I'm surprised. In today's society 30 minutes walking on a treadmill is considered "daily excercise", 20 lbs overweight is considered "normal body type," and I guess sitting on your ass playing a video game is considered a "sport."

Why not? Chess has been considered a sport for a long time, and if anything Starcraft requires more physical effort than chess does.


You never played chess did you? In my youth I was doing it for ten years. In Starcraft you dont have to sit infront of board for 6-8 hours and be mentally focused. You can even drop some weight if you do those tourneys so often, amount of stress your brains get influences your body a bit. The intensity of thinking you do in chess is incomparable to starcraft. Starcraft is based on instincts mechanics and "some" improvisation you dont have to anticipate what your opponent is going to do after 15-20 moves. Trust me chess requires much more physical effort then Starcraft and more thinking. Where Starcraft needs more "acting on the spot" and reflexes.

Putting computer games in olympics is a joke, they can have their own e-sports olympics if they want to. Most of sports have a side effect - make you think better, be more physical fit etc. I did chess 10 years, judo 2 years, other types of wrestling 4+ years and trust me as a human I improved much more doing those sports 6-8 hours a week, than playing starcraft. Tell me what traits of human does playing sc2 improve? I can think of none.
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Grampz
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2147 Posts
August 04 2012 03:28 GMT
#397
We have WCG and WCS for SC2 I don't think Starcraft 2 or any video game should ever be in the olympics... I would like to see it on TV but really? The OLYMPICS?
Angra
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States2652 Posts
August 04 2012 03:29 GMT
#398
If LoL becomes an Olympic sport I officially quit life.
mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-04 03:34:06
August 04 2012 03:31 GMT
#399
On August 04 2012 10:54 xrapture wrote:
Can't say I'm surprised. In today's society 30 minutes walking on a treadmill is considered "daily excercise", 20 lbs overweight is considered "normal body type," and I guess sitting on your ass playing a video game is considered a "sport."

You're from the US, so I can't say I'm surprised by this post.

30 mins on a treadmill is considered "daily exercise" because it's the amount proven to reduce cardiovascular morbimortality, actually, 30 mins 3 times a week is enough if it raises your heart rate. In most countries 20 lbs overweight is considered fat as fuck, actually, I'm like half that much overweight, and I consider myself fat. And chess is by many considered a sport, when you consider sport being about the competition level, rather than specifically asking for it to have a major physical component.

On August 04 2012 12:27 M4nkind wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2012 10:57 -NegativeZero- wrote:
On August 04 2012 10:54 xrapture wrote:
Can't say I'm surprised. In today's society 30 minutes walking on a treadmill is considered "daily excercise", 20 lbs overweight is considered "normal body type," and I guess sitting on your ass playing a video game is considered a "sport."

Why not? Chess has been considered a sport for a long time, and if anything Starcraft requires more physical effort than chess does.


You never played chess did you? In my youth I was doing it for ten years. In Starcraft you dont have to sit infront of board for 6-8 hours and be mentally focused. You can even drop some weight if you do those tourneys so often, amount of stress your brains get influences your body a bit. The intensity of thinking you do in chess is incomparable to starcraft. Starcraft is based on instincts mechanics and "some" improvisation you dont have to anticipate what your opponent is going to do after 15-20 moves. Trust me chess requires much more physical effort then Starcraft and more thinking. Where Starcraft needs more "acting on the spot" and reflexes.

Putting computer games in olympics is a joke, they can have their own e-sports olympics if they want to. Most of sports have a side effect - make you think better, be more physical fit etc. I did chess 10 years, judo 2 years, other types of wrestling 4+ years and trust me as a human I improved much more doing those sports 6-8 hours a week, than playing starcraft. Tell me what traits of human does playing sc2 improve? I can think of none.

Video games have been statistically related to better multitasking and decision making abilities, I'd say that's pretty good. And btw, while playing chess you're still "sitting on your ass" like the quoted poster said.

I'm not saying SC should be an olympic sport, it's just the discussion is pretty bad.
-_-Quails
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia796 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-04 03:35:06
August 04 2012 03:32 GMT
#400
On August 04 2012 10:54 xrapture wrote:
Can't say I'm surprised. In today's society 30 minutes walking on a treadmill is considered "daily excercise", 20 lbs overweight is considered "normal body type," and I guess sitting on your ass playing a video game is considered a "sport."

30 minutes of light exercise, such as walking, done several times a week is generally sufficient to bring a person living a sedentary lifestyle to a higher level of physical health.

Sitting 'on your ass' playing chess is certainly considered a sport and Starcraft 2 or Tetris require much greater physical skill.

Good tetris players can exceed 500apm average in a game, and they can usually only maintain their peak level of play for a few years. It is much more physical than SC:BW and requires greater dexterity and hand-eye co-ordination than any olympic sport I can think of.

On August 04 2012 12:28 Grampz wrote:
We have WCG and WCS for SC2 I don't think Starcraft 2 or any video game should ever be in the olympics... I would like to see it on TV but really? The OLYMPICS?


Soccer/Football has a world cup and is played in the Olympics.
Why should the Olympics not contain video games that are played competitively on the same level as some current Olympic sports?
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