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Zedders
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada450 Posts
July 29 2012 23:16 GMT
#661
I think we should set up all students to fail constantly to instill a sense of humility and comfortableness with failure.
blankspace
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States292 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-29 23:40:08
July 29 2012 23:18 GMT
#662
This is absolutely sad and disturbing.

Are schools supposed to be fuckin preprofessional? Are ppl proud of not needing to use math? Is there no appreciation for the deep relationship between math and physics?

That people have so much trouble appreciating abstraction says a lot about
Our problems in education.

Omg "x" is too fucking abstract let's forget math have more "philosophers!"

Fuck.

Edit: also despite majoring in math I love literature and enjoy history. Yet rarely would you have an English major who can appreciate math. I don't blame the kids. Too many bad teachers
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TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-29 23:26:34
July 29 2012 23:25 GMT
#663
The entire first half of this article is silly. If teaching algebra makes people drop out of school, then why do other countries (that also teach algebra and some of whom teach far more complex math) have lower numbers of dropouts? Come on. Seriously? There's far deeper problems with the United State's educational system that teaching kids how to solve algebraic equations.
Sated
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
England4983 Posts
July 29 2012 23:28 GMT
#664
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Carras
Profile Joined August 2010
Argentina860 Posts
July 29 2012 23:35 GMT
#665
i didnt like the article at all, just becouse the sistem is shitty doesnt mean you have to make school easier, fix the overall problems instead of just trying to fix student performance % , students drop just becouse algebra is hard, or becouse americans are lazier than other kids in other countries ??? why dont you start with lousy schools and teachers, poor neighbourhoods where graduating seems wothless etc..

and using that kids dont learn enough social science ( i study Sociology) as a pretext to cut algebra sounds really dumb.. just teach the kids better, in both subjects

maybe it isnt that usefull for most of the kids, but learning is not only about understanding things that will be obviosly and inmediatly usefull.
Jaso
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2147 Posts
July 29 2012 23:45 GMT
#666
lol algebra isn't even that hard... if it's not required then idk what math subjects schools are supposed to teach.
The problem lies not with the subject but with either the students or the education system.
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CeriseCherries
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
6170 Posts
July 29 2012 23:51 GMT
#667
-_- pretty much everyone has encapsulated it.

i can maybe see Calculus as not being useful to a lot of people but Algebra? Algebra is not rocket science, although its best to know if you are a rocket scientist.

I learn physics/chem/bio not because i am going to be a biochemical engineer and use all 3 but because its basic knowledge.

i mean it matters not one whit whether or not the sun revolves around the earth or vice versa but gee no one is criticizing 4th grade education. in terms of usefulness the heliocentric model serves far fewer purposes to laypeople than algebra.
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Coolzx
Profile Joined May 2010
United States138 Posts
July 29 2012 23:54 GMT
#668
I find it interesting that people bash on the student for not passing. I mean if the percentage of student failling are low it just means that those student are lazy asses, but if the percentage are as high as 30%+ I believe that there is a problem with the teaching system no the student. Just fyi I took calculus in high school and pass easily, but it is just I have a good understanding of math. Most of what the teacher are teaching are a bunch of bull crap that they just read off the book, which I found that is what they do in college also and it is next to useless to try to teach to the student who didn't understand it in the first place.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
July 29 2012 23:54 GMT
#669


Given that this is about hating math, this video is relevant
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UrsusRex
Profile Joined July 2012
United States85 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-30 00:03:31
July 30 2012 00:02 GMT
#670
We also assign students too much homework. Studies have shown students actually learn less the more homework they are given and are less likely to continue learning later in life. Nothing kills a childs love of knowledge as fast as assigning tons of homework and making them learn what they can't relate to.




Also we don't use the metric system and that has a massive effect on understanding measurement and our math system.
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Alvin853
Profile Joined December 2011
Germany149 Posts
July 30 2012 00:03 GMT
#671
US high school students already performed statistically significantly below OECD average at the latest PISA in the field of math. Way to fix that by teaching less math
UrsusRex
Profile Joined July 2012
United States85 Posts
July 30 2012 00:04 GMT
#672
We need more math Alvin but a hell of a lot less algebra and fractions.
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Ercster
Profile Joined August 2011
United States603 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-30 00:06:19
July 30 2012 00:04 GMT
#673
You should be given a well rounded education through high school, and once in college, it should be a more focused towards your career path. Also, I don't think the math is the problem, it's the teachers.
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MattBarry
Profile Joined March 2011
United States4006 Posts
July 30 2012 00:10 GMT
#674
The only math reform we need is putting Algebra I and II in back to back years. Half my class forgot Alg I by the time Alg II rolled around mostly cause they were retarded and partially cause they stuck Geometry in between the 2.
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corpuscle
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1967 Posts
July 30 2012 00:14 GMT
#675
On July 30 2012 09:02 UrsusRex wrote:
We also assign students too much homework. Studies have shown students actually learn less the more homework they are given and are less likely to continue learning later in life. Nothing kills a childs love of knowledge as fast as assigning tons of homework and making them learn what they can't relate to.




Also we don't use the metric system and that has a massive effect on understanding measurement and our math system.


I agree with both these points. There are even a lot of kids who don't learn anything from doing homework whatsoever, but it's still included because the education system doesn't know how to handle multiple learning styles.
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Severedevil
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4839 Posts
July 30 2012 00:15 GMT
#676
On July 30 2012 09:14 corpuscle wrote:
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On July 30 2012 09:02 UrsusRex wrote:
We also assign students too much homework. Studies have shown students actually learn less the more homework they are given and are less likely to continue learning later in life. Nothing kills a childs love of knowledge as fast as assigning tons of homework and making them learn what they can't relate to.




Also we don't use the metric system and that has a massive effect on understanding measurement and our math system.


I agree with both these points. There are even a lot of kids who don't learn anything from doing homework whatsoever, but it's still included because the education system doesn't know how to handle multiple learning styles.

Er...

If you can't learn information from reading a book, and productively practice it by solving problem designed to help you practice it, that's a learning disability, not a learning style.
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UrsusRex
Profile Joined July 2012
United States85 Posts
July 30 2012 00:21 GMT
#677
That's not true Severe. Some students do much better learning by listening or seeing graphics or demonstrations. Mathematics is not books mathematics is a process, and it can be taught many different ways. Saying everyone who doesnt learn by reading and doing homework has a disability is BS.
"It is not sufficient that I succeed - all others must fail" - Genghis Khan
Coolzx
Profile Joined May 2010
United States138 Posts
July 30 2012 00:25 GMT
#678
On July 30 2012 09:15 Severedevil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2012 09:14 corpuscle wrote:
On July 30 2012 09:02 UrsusRex wrote:
We also assign students too much homework. Studies have shown students actually learn less the more homework they are given and are less likely to continue learning later in life. Nothing kills a childs love of knowledge as fast as assigning tons of homework and making them learn what they can't relate to.




Also we don't use the metric system and that has a massive effect on understanding measurement and our math system.


I agree with both these points. There are even a lot of kids who don't learn anything from doing homework whatsoever, but it's still included because the education system doesn't know how to handle multiple learning styles.

Er...

If you can't learn information from reading a book, and productively practice it by solving problem designed to help you practice it, that's a learning disability, not a learning style.


Hell yeah man, who needs teacher if you can read a book and works out problems like a champ huh?
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corpuscle
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1967 Posts
July 30 2012 00:27 GMT
#679
On July 30 2012 09:15 Severedevil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2012 09:14 corpuscle wrote:
On July 30 2012 09:02 UrsusRex wrote:
We also assign students too much homework. Studies have shown students actually learn less the more homework they are given and are less likely to continue learning later in life. Nothing kills a childs love of knowledge as fast as assigning tons of homework and making them learn what they can't relate to.




Also we don't use the metric system and that has a massive effect on understanding measurement and our math system.


I agree with both these points. There are even a lot of kids who don't learn anything from doing homework whatsoever, but it's still included because the education system doesn't know how to handle multiple learning styles.

Er...

If you can't learn information from reading a book, and productively practice it by solving problem designed to help you practice it, that's a learning disability, not a learning style.


Well, a lot of students do have learning disabilities (or, at the very least, some sort of cognitive dysfunction that's close to a disability). Also, even those that don't sometimes learn better in different ways. Some students learn best by reading, some learn best by listening to a lecture, some learn best working in groups, some learn by practicing... that's why most good schools try to offer a blend of different teaching strategies.
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Zahir
Profile Joined March 2012
United States947 Posts
July 30 2012 00:44 GMT
#680
I do not like this dogmatic argument of "if they're failing let's just teach it to them harder! That's what the rest of the world does!"

Education should prepare you for life and produce brilliant individuals to help your country kick ass. Not cram algebra into the minds of every single person including the great majority who will never use it.

What schools should do, is teach a wide array of subjects at first and then gradually allow students to pick more and more of their own curriculum, in preparation for a career. Different schools could have different focuses, so math/science kids could go to one, arts/writing to another and so forth.

Making your entire populace slightly less crappy at a subject they will rarely use is a waste of human potential. We should focus on making everyone better at what they're actually going to do. Not hold to meaningless blanket standards which ultimately make us less efficient/competitive by wasting everyone's time.
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