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On August 02 2012 06:29 CajunMan wrote:
Ya I work right next to a Chickfila and all the people I asked about it said they are just pissed that the government offical isn't minding his business it isn't his place to do what he is doing and he is hurting freedom of speech.
In what backwards world is someone exercising their right to free speech hurting free speech?
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On August 02 2012 06:29 CajunMan wrote:
Here in Atlanta the wait was an hour for any Chick fil a cool to see so much support for something like this.
Also @Papulatus I don't understand these protests Chick Fil a has never said anything against gays other than they are against marrage and gays are always allowed at a Chickfila what will this say exactly? This type of protest only hurts Franchises who are trying to make a living and pissing off owners you are hurting them personally and making yourself look stupid. Why not just hold signs like gays' against chickfila and just say please don't purchase from here seems like the Gay community is becoming PETA.
It's a much bolder statement to make an obscene gesture like being physically intimate in front of a public place. My complaint against such a protest is that I can't imagine it being socially acceptable for any couple (straight or gay), especially in mass, to "make out" in public. Especially when its a place where a lot of young children are likely to be. Have you ever seen a stand alone Chik-fil-A without a playground for kids? I'm sure they exist, but not around here.
I'm all for protest, but I find the whole "stage a kiss" thing to be a bit over the top.
Also, I'm glad to hear that so many people are showing up to show their support in other places around the nation. Go Chik-fil-A!!
Edit at the guy above me:
The problem is he was initially talking about using the power of his office to literally ban Chik-fil-A from doing business in his city. Ironically, it was the mayor who was attempting to punish and stifle free speech. The bottom line would be this: If you voice an opinion I disagree with, then I'm not going to allow you to business here.
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On August 02 2012 06:30 ChinaRestaurant wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2012 06:21 Chewbacca. wrote:On August 02 2012 05:52 Papulatus wrote:On August 02 2012 04:38 Joedaddy wrote:
My family and I went to our local Chik-fil-A today. It was crazy how many people came out to show their support. They filled up 2 different parking lots and had a line that stretched out of the door and 1/2 way around the building. The drive through was a grid locked traffic jam lol. Everyone was really up beat and polite despite having to stand outside in the 100 degree heat waiting on their turn to give their money to Chik-fil-A. And this was just between 11:30 and 12:00. I'd love to know just how long it stayed that busy.
Most everybody was well wishing the workers and each other while we waited. A truly inspiring experience, and I'm very glad we made the trip out to show our support. Sad to hear reports like this and shows how far this nation has to go before we have equal rights for all. :/ Just because the owner of a company may not share the same opinion as you doesn't mean that the entire company is some evil thing that should be ruined. I'd wager the vast majority of the people at Chik-fil-A were there not because they necessarily agree with the owners opinion, but because they agree that the mayor of boston is greatly overstepping his duty as mayor. Except the mayor didn't abuse jack shit. He just voiced his opinion in a letter as far as I know.
Lol voicing his opinion that he would use his power to prevent a business from entering his city is an abuse of power and office, which is why he retracted his opinion later. He knew he overstepped his bounds.
Yeah, I work for a company and lets say a person who wasn't affiliated with our company but shared a last name with our company said some things that offended people. I was the person answering all the hate-mail that came in. Got to remember that the company is made up of people just like you.
Besides that. It is always a load of fun to say fuck you to the government. Its an american tradition, like july 4th when we did the same thing lmao.
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On August 02 2012 06:38 Jisall wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2012 06:30 ChinaRestaurant wrote:On August 02 2012 06:21 Chewbacca. wrote:On August 02 2012 05:52 Papulatus wrote:On August 02 2012 04:38 Joedaddy wrote:
My family and I went to our local Chik-fil-A today. It was crazy how many people came out to show their support. They filled up 2 different parking lots and had a line that stretched out of the door and 1/2 way around the building. The drive through was a grid locked traffic jam lol. Everyone was really up beat and polite despite having to stand outside in the 100 degree heat waiting on their turn to give their money to Chik-fil-A. And this was just between 11:30 and 12:00. I'd love to know just how long it stayed that busy.
Most everybody was well wishing the workers and each other while we waited. A truly inspiring experience, and I'm very glad we made the trip out to show our support. Sad to hear reports like this and shows how far this nation has to go before we have equal rights for all. :/ Just because the owner of a company may not share the same opinion as you doesn't mean that the entire company is some evil thing that should be ruined. I'd wager the vast majority of the people at Chik-fil-A were there not because they necessarily agree with the owners opinion, but because they agree that the mayor of boston is greatly overstepping his duty as mayor. Except the mayor didn't abuse jack shit. He just voiced his opinion in a letter as far as I know. Lol voicing his opinion that he would use his power to prevent a business from entering his city is an abuse of power and office, which is why he retracted his opinion later. He knew he overstepped his bounds.
Did you actually read the letter? All he does is urge them to back out of their plans to open a new location because Boston does not want you and that there is no place for discrimination in Boston.
He later clarified that he can't/wouldn't prevent them from actually opening the store.
If you aren't clear this is a case of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bully_pulpit which is exactly what the mayor said... http://www.boston.com/metrodesk/2012/07/26/menino-maintains-his-opposition-chick-file-but-admits-can-stop-the-chain-from-coming-boston/UTOEtdlKRipuFIbCF44STM/story.html
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On August 02 2012 06:37 Joedaddy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2012 06:29 CajunMan wrote:
Here in Atlanta the wait was an hour for any Chick fil a cool to see so much support for something like this.
Also @Papulatus I don't understand these protests Chick Fil a has never said anything against gays other than they are against marrage and gays are always allowed at a Chickfila what will this say exactly? This type of protest only hurts Franchises who are trying to make a living and pissing off owners you are hurting them personally and making yourself look stupid. Why not just hold signs like gays' against chickfila and just say please don't purchase from here seems like the Gay community is becoming PETA. It's a much bolder statement to make an obscene gesture like being physically intimate in front of a public place. My complaint against such a protest is that I can't imagine it being socially acceptable for any couple (straight or gay), especially in mass, to "make out" in public. Especially when its a place where a lot of young children are likely to be. Have you ever seen a stand alone Chik-fil-A without a playground for kids? I'm sure they exist, but not around here. I'm all for protest, but I find the whole "stage a kiss" thing to be a bit over the top. Also, I'm glad to hear that so many people are showing up to show their support in other places around the nation. Go Chik-fil-A!! Edit at the guy above me: The problem is he was initially talking about using the power of his office to literally ban Chik-fil-A from doing business in his city. Ironically, it was the mayor who was attempting to punish and stifle free speech. The bottom line would be this: If you voice an opinion I disagree with, then I'm not going to allow you to business here.
Ya I agree totally.
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On August 02 2012 06:43 CajunMan wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2012 06:37 Joedaddy wrote:On August 02 2012 06:29 CajunMan wrote:
Here in Atlanta the wait was an hour for any Chick fil a cool to see so much support for something like this.
Also @Papulatus I don't understand these protests Chick Fil a has never said anything against gays other than they are against marrage and gays are always allowed at a Chickfila what will this say exactly? This type of protest only hurts Franchises who are trying to make a living and pissing off owners you are hurting them personally and making yourself look stupid. Why not just hold signs like gays' against chickfila and just say please don't purchase from here seems like the Gay community is becoming PETA. It's a much bolder statement to make an obscene gesture like being physically intimate in front of a public place. My complaint against such a protest is that I can't imagine it being socially acceptable for any couple (straight or gay), especially in mass, to "make out" in public. Especially when its a place where a lot of young children are likely to be. Have you ever seen a stand alone Chik-fil-A without a playground for kids? I'm sure they exist, but not around here. I'm all for protest, but I find the whole "stage a kiss" thing to be a bit over the top. Also, I'm glad to hear that so many people are showing up to show their support in other places around the nation. Go Chik-fil-A!! Edit at the guy above me: The problem is he was initially talking about using the power of his office to literally ban Chik-fil-A from doing business in his city. Ironically, it was the mayor who was attempting to punish and stifle free speech. The bottom line would be this: If you voice an opinion I disagree with, then I'm not going to allow you to business here. Ya I agree totally.
Sup Cajun, knock down a cold brew for that. You earned it.
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On August 02 2012 06:38 Jisall wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2012 06:30 ChinaRestaurant wrote:On August 02 2012 06:21 Chewbacca. wrote:On August 02 2012 05:52 Papulatus wrote:On August 02 2012 04:38 Joedaddy wrote:
My family and I went to our local Chik-fil-A today. It was crazy how many people came out to show their support. They filled up 2 different parking lots and had a line that stretched out of the door and 1/2 way around the building. The drive through was a grid locked traffic jam lol. Everyone was really up beat and polite despite having to stand outside in the 100 degree heat waiting on their turn to give their money to Chik-fil-A. And this was just between 11:30 and 12:00. I'd love to know just how long it stayed that busy.
Most everybody was well wishing the workers and each other while we waited. A truly inspiring experience, and I'm very glad we made the trip out to show our support. Sad to hear reports like this and shows how far this nation has to go before we have equal rights for all. :/ Just because the owner of a company may not share the same opinion as you doesn't mean that the entire company is some evil thing that should be ruined. I'd wager the vast majority of the people at Chik-fil-A were there not because they necessarily agree with the owners opinion, but because they agree that the mayor of boston is greatly overstepping his duty as mayor. Except the mayor didn't abuse jack shit. He just voiced his opinion in a letter as far as I know. Lol voicing his opinion that he would use his power to prevent a business from entering his city is an abuse of power and office, which is why he retracted his opinion later. He knew he overstepped his bounds. Yeah, I work for a company and lets say a person who wasn't affiliated with our company but shared a last name with our company said some things that offended people. I was the person answering all the hate-mail that came in. Got to remember that the company is made up of people just like you. Besides that. It is always a load of fun to say fuck you to the government. Its an american tradition, like july 4th when we did the same thing lmao.
http://consumerist.com/2012/07/heres-the-letter-where-boston-mayor-tells-chick-fil-a-to-stay-the-cluck-out-of-his-town.html
This is the letter I'm referring to and I don't really see any direct abuse of power (as I would understand the term anyways). I dont really see what's so bad about this letter. If I was the mayor of a town that tries to do as much as possible for equality I'd probably be at least tempted to do the same.
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On August 02 2012 06:54 ChinaRestaurant wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2012 06:38 Jisall wrote:On August 02 2012 06:30 ChinaRestaurant wrote:On August 02 2012 06:21 Chewbacca. wrote:On August 02 2012 05:52 Papulatus wrote:On August 02 2012 04:38 Joedaddy wrote:
My family and I went to our local Chik-fil-A today. It was crazy how many people came out to show their support. They filled up 2 different parking lots and had a line that stretched out of the door and 1/2 way around the building. The drive through was a grid locked traffic jam lol. Everyone was really up beat and polite despite having to stand outside in the 100 degree heat waiting on their turn to give their money to Chik-fil-A. And this was just between 11:30 and 12:00. I'd love to know just how long it stayed that busy.
Most everybody was well wishing the workers and each other while we waited. A truly inspiring experience, and I'm very glad we made the trip out to show our support. Sad to hear reports like this and shows how far this nation has to go before we have equal rights for all. :/ Just because the owner of a company may not share the same opinion as you doesn't mean that the entire company is some evil thing that should be ruined. I'd wager the vast majority of the people at Chik-fil-A were there not because they necessarily agree with the owners opinion, but because they agree that the mayor of boston is greatly overstepping his duty as mayor. Except the mayor didn't abuse jack shit. He just voiced his opinion in a letter as far as I know. Lol voicing his opinion that he would use his power to prevent a business from entering his city is an abuse of power and office, which is why he retracted his opinion later. He knew he overstepped his bounds. Yeah, I work for a company and lets say a person who wasn't affiliated with our company but shared a last name with our company said some things that offended people. I was the person answering all the hate-mail that came in. Got to remember that the company is made up of people just like you. Besides that. It is always a load of fun to say fuck you to the government. Its an american tradition, like july 4th when we did the same thing lmao. http://consumerist.com/2012/07/heres-the-letter-where-boston-mayor-tells-chick-fil-a-to-stay-the-cluck-out-of-his-town.htmlThis is the letter I'm referring to and I don't really see any direct abuse of power (as I would understand the term anyways). I dont really see what's so bad about this letter. If I was the mayor of a town that tries to do as much as possible for equality I'd probably be at least tempted to do the same.
I agree, I don't see anything threatening about this.
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On August 02 2012 06:54 ChinaRestaurant wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2012 06:38 Jisall wrote:On August 02 2012 06:30 ChinaRestaurant wrote:On August 02 2012 06:21 Chewbacca. wrote:On August 02 2012 05:52 Papulatus wrote:On August 02 2012 04:38 Joedaddy wrote:
My family and I went to our local Chik-fil-A today. It was crazy how many people came out to show their support. They filled up 2 different parking lots and had a line that stretched out of the door and 1/2 way around the building. The drive through was a grid locked traffic jam lol. Everyone was really up beat and polite despite having to stand outside in the 100 degree heat waiting on their turn to give their money to Chik-fil-A. And this was just between 11:30 and 12:00. I'd love to know just how long it stayed that busy.
Most everybody was well wishing the workers and each other while we waited. A truly inspiring experience, and I'm very glad we made the trip out to show our support. Sad to hear reports like this and shows how far this nation has to go before we have equal rights for all. :/ Just because the owner of a company may not share the same opinion as you doesn't mean that the entire company is some evil thing that should be ruined. I'd wager the vast majority of the people at Chik-fil-A were there not because they necessarily agree with the owners opinion, but because they agree that the mayor of boston is greatly overstepping his duty as mayor. Except the mayor didn't abuse jack shit. He just voiced his opinion in a letter as far as I know. Lol voicing his opinion that he would use his power to prevent a business from entering his city is an abuse of power and office, which is why he retracted his opinion later. He knew he overstepped his bounds. Yeah, I work for a company and lets say a person who wasn't affiliated with our company but shared a last name with our company said some things that offended people. I was the person answering all the hate-mail that came in. Got to remember that the company is made up of people just like you. Besides that. It is always a load of fun to say fuck you to the government. Its an american tradition, like july 4th when we did the same thing lmao. http://consumerist.com/2012/07/heres-the-letter-where-boston-mayor-tells-chick-fil-a-to-stay-the-cluck-out-of-his-town.htmlThis is the letter I'm referring to and I don't really see any direct abuse of power (as I would understand the term anyways). I dont really see what's so bad about this letter. If I was the mayor of a town that tries to do as much as possible for equality I'd probably be at least tempted to do the same.
Since the original letter the Mayor has retracted at least some of his stronger comments, admitting that he went too far or that he couldn't actually do what he threatened.
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On August 02 2012 06:56 Ryalnos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2012 06:54 ChinaRestaurant wrote:On August 02 2012 06:38 Jisall wrote:On August 02 2012 06:30 ChinaRestaurant wrote:On August 02 2012 06:21 Chewbacca. wrote:On August 02 2012 05:52 Papulatus wrote:On August 02 2012 04:38 Joedaddy wrote:
My family and I went to our local Chik-fil-A today. It was crazy how many people came out to show their support. They filled up 2 different parking lots and had a line that stretched out of the door and 1/2 way around the building. The drive through was a grid locked traffic jam lol. Everyone was really up beat and polite despite having to stand outside in the 100 degree heat waiting on their turn to give their money to Chik-fil-A. And this was just between 11:30 and 12:00. I'd love to know just how long it stayed that busy.
Most everybody was well wishing the workers and each other while we waited. A truly inspiring experience, and I'm very glad we made the trip out to show our support. Sad to hear reports like this and shows how far this nation has to go before we have equal rights for all. :/ Just because the owner of a company may not share the same opinion as you doesn't mean that the entire company is some evil thing that should be ruined. I'd wager the vast majority of the people at Chik-fil-A were there not because they necessarily agree with the owners opinion, but because they agree that the mayor of boston is greatly overstepping his duty as mayor. Except the mayor didn't abuse jack shit. He just voiced his opinion in a letter as far as I know. Lol voicing his opinion that he would use his power to prevent a business from entering his city is an abuse of power and office, which is why he retracted his opinion later. He knew he overstepped his bounds. Yeah, I work for a company and lets say a person who wasn't affiliated with our company but shared a last name with our company said some things that offended people. I was the person answering all the hate-mail that came in. Got to remember that the company is made up of people just like you. Besides that. It is always a load of fun to say fuck you to the government. Its an american tradition, like july 4th when we did the same thing lmao. http://consumerist.com/2012/07/heres-the-letter-where-boston-mayor-tells-chick-fil-a-to-stay-the-cluck-out-of-his-town.htmlThis is the letter I'm referring to and I don't really see any direct abuse of power (as I would understand the term anyways). I dont really see what's so bad about this letter. If I was the mayor of a town that tries to do as much as possible for equality I'd probably be at least tempted to do the same. Since the original letter the Mayor has retracted at least some of his stronger comments, admitting that he went too far or that he couldn't actually do what he threatened.
Alright, I didn't know that. Any idea what he actually said in the original letter (or threatened) specifically? I mean sure, if he threatened to throw them out or actually keep them from opening a joint in Boston he overstepped, but the edited version looks fine to me.
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On August 02 2012 06:59 ChinaRestaurant wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2012 06:56 Ryalnos wrote:On August 02 2012 06:54 ChinaRestaurant wrote:On August 02 2012 06:38 Jisall wrote:On August 02 2012 06:30 ChinaRestaurant wrote:On August 02 2012 06:21 Chewbacca. wrote:On August 02 2012 05:52 Papulatus wrote:On August 02 2012 04:38 Joedaddy wrote:
My family and I went to our local Chik-fil-A today. It was crazy how many people came out to show their support. They filled up 2 different parking lots and had a line that stretched out of the door and 1/2 way around the building. The drive through was a grid locked traffic jam lol. Everyone was really up beat and polite despite having to stand outside in the 100 degree heat waiting on their turn to give their money to Chik-fil-A. And this was just between 11:30 and 12:00. I'd love to know just how long it stayed that busy.
Most everybody was well wishing the workers and each other while we waited. A truly inspiring experience, and I'm very glad we made the trip out to show our support. Sad to hear reports like this and shows how far this nation has to go before we have equal rights for all. :/ Just because the owner of a company may not share the same opinion as you doesn't mean that the entire company is some evil thing that should be ruined. I'd wager the vast majority of the people at Chik-fil-A were there not because they necessarily agree with the owners opinion, but because they agree that the mayor of boston is greatly overstepping his duty as mayor. Except the mayor didn't abuse jack shit. He just voiced his opinion in a letter as far as I know. Lol voicing his opinion that he would use his power to prevent a business from entering his city is an abuse of power and office, which is why he retracted his opinion later. He knew he overstepped his bounds. Yeah, I work for a company and lets say a person who wasn't affiliated with our company but shared a last name with our company said some things that offended people. I was the person answering all the hate-mail that came in. Got to remember that the company is made up of people just like you. Besides that. It is always a load of fun to say fuck you to the government. Its an american tradition, like july 4th when we did the same thing lmao. http://consumerist.com/2012/07/heres-the-letter-where-boston-mayor-tells-chick-fil-a-to-stay-the-cluck-out-of-his-town.htmlThis is the letter I'm referring to and I don't really see any direct abuse of power (as I would understand the term anyways). I dont really see what's so bad about this letter. If I was the mayor of a town that tries to do as much as possible for equality I'd probably be at least tempted to do the same. Since the original letter the Mayor has retracted at least some of his stronger comments, admitting that he went too far or that he couldn't actually do what he threatened. Alright, I didn't know that. Any idea what he actually said in the original letter (or threatened) specifically? I mean sure, if he threatened to throw them out or actually keep them from opening a joint in Boston he overstepped, but the edited version looks fine to me.
The linked article has the text, there's no edits, that's what was said in the original letter.
This whole thing is way overblown except for how not ok it is to discriminate against gay people and how screwed up the US media is by the way they twist and alter the story to sensationalize it one way or the other.
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On August 02 2012 06:54 ChinaRestaurant wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2012 06:38 Jisall wrote:On August 02 2012 06:30 ChinaRestaurant wrote:On August 02 2012 06:21 Chewbacca. wrote:On August 02 2012 05:52 Papulatus wrote:On August 02 2012 04:38 Joedaddy wrote:
My family and I went to our local Chik-fil-A today. It was crazy how many people came out to show their support. They filled up 2 different parking lots and had a line that stretched out of the door and 1/2 way around the building. The drive through was a grid locked traffic jam lol. Everyone was really up beat and polite despite having to stand outside in the 100 degree heat waiting on their turn to give their money to Chik-fil-A. And this was just between 11:30 and 12:00. I'd love to know just how long it stayed that busy.
Most everybody was well wishing the workers and each other while we waited. A truly inspiring experience, and I'm very glad we made the trip out to show our support. Sad to hear reports like this and shows how far this nation has to go before we have equal rights for all. :/ Just because the owner of a company may not share the same opinion as you doesn't mean that the entire company is some evil thing that should be ruined. I'd wager the vast majority of the people at Chik-fil-A were there not because they necessarily agree with the owners opinion, but because they agree that the mayor of boston is greatly overstepping his duty as mayor. Except the mayor didn't abuse jack shit. He just voiced his opinion in a letter as far as I know. Lol voicing his opinion that he would use his power to prevent a business from entering his city is an abuse of power and office, which is why he retracted his opinion later. He knew he overstepped his bounds. Yeah, I work for a company and lets say a person who wasn't affiliated with our company but shared a last name with our company said some things that offended people. I was the person answering all the hate-mail that came in. Got to remember that the company is made up of people just like you. Besides that. It is always a load of fun to say fuck you to the government. Its an american tradition, like july 4th when we did the same thing lmao. http://consumerist.com/2012/07/heres-the-letter-where-boston-mayor-tells-chick-fil-a-to-stay-the-cluck-out-of-his-town.htmlThis is the letter I'm referring to and I don't really see any direct abuse of power (as I would understand the term anyways). I dont really see what's so bad about this letter. If I was the mayor of a town that tries to do as much as possible for equality I'd probably be at least tempted to do the same.
That's probably because you've never run a business.
While Chick Fil A may have been looking to expand to Boston, they certainly aren't now. Saying that someone isn't welcome, or that you recommend they look elsewhere is a thinly veiled threat that things will not be easy for you. Permits won't go through, red tape everywhere. There is a lot that goes into opening a store, even beyond permitting and building it. There are usually market studies done, as well as a number of other steps...Why would Chick Fil A or any potential franchisee ever take the chance of opening a business the mayor has publically spoken out against? It's a horrible business decision.
While he didn't have to come out and SAY he was banning them, a mayor's position against a business is sufficient to make a company think that some of their permit applications may "get lost" in the red tape, or that they may face other types of harassment or trouble from government officials.
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On August 02 2012 07:01 Logo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2012 06:59 ChinaRestaurant wrote:On August 02 2012 06:56 Ryalnos wrote:On August 02 2012 06:54 ChinaRestaurant wrote:On August 02 2012 06:38 Jisall wrote:On August 02 2012 06:30 ChinaRestaurant wrote:On August 02 2012 06:21 Chewbacca. wrote:On August 02 2012 05:52 Papulatus wrote:On August 02 2012 04:38 Joedaddy wrote:
My family and I went to our local Chik-fil-A today. It was crazy how many people came out to show their support. They filled up 2 different parking lots and had a line that stretched out of the door and 1/2 way around the building. The drive through was a grid locked traffic jam lol. Everyone was really up beat and polite despite having to stand outside in the 100 degree heat waiting on their turn to give their money to Chik-fil-A. And this was just between 11:30 and 12:00. I'd love to know just how long it stayed that busy.
Most everybody was well wishing the workers and each other while we waited. A truly inspiring experience, and I'm very glad we made the trip out to show our support. Sad to hear reports like this and shows how far this nation has to go before we have equal rights for all. :/ Just because the owner of a company may not share the same opinion as you doesn't mean that the entire company is some evil thing that should be ruined. I'd wager the vast majority of the people at Chik-fil-A were there not because they necessarily agree with the owners opinion, but because they agree that the mayor of boston is greatly overstepping his duty as mayor. Except the mayor didn't abuse jack shit. He just voiced his opinion in a letter as far as I know. Lol voicing his opinion that he would use his power to prevent a business from entering his city is an abuse of power and office, which is why he retracted his opinion later. He knew he overstepped his bounds. Yeah, I work for a company and lets say a person who wasn't affiliated with our company but shared a last name with our company said some things that offended people. I was the person answering all the hate-mail that came in. Got to remember that the company is made up of people just like you. Besides that. It is always a load of fun to say fuck you to the government. Its an american tradition, like july 4th when we did the same thing lmao. http://consumerist.com/2012/07/heres-the-letter-where-boston-mayor-tells-chick-fil-a-to-stay-the-cluck-out-of-his-town.htmlThis is the letter I'm referring to and I don't really see any direct abuse of power (as I would understand the term anyways). I dont really see what's so bad about this letter. If I was the mayor of a town that tries to do as much as possible for equality I'd probably be at least tempted to do the same. Since the original letter the Mayor has retracted at least some of his stronger comments, admitting that he went too far or that he couldn't actually do what he threatened. Alright, I didn't know that. Any idea what he actually said in the original letter (or threatened) specifically? I mean sure, if he threatened to throw them out or actually keep them from opening a joint in Boston he overstepped, but the edited version looks fine to me. The linked article has the text, there's no edits, that's what was said in the original letter. This whole thing is way overblown except for how not ok it is to discriminate against gay people and how screwed up the US media is by the way they twist and alter the story to sensationalize it one way or the other.
Yup, the permitting process may have been difficult, the mayor said some things that were an exaggeration of what he could or planned to do, then the media grabbed a hold of it.
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On August 02 2012 07:01 Logo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2012 06:59 ChinaRestaurant wrote:On August 02 2012 06:56 Ryalnos wrote:On August 02 2012 06:54 ChinaRestaurant wrote:On August 02 2012 06:38 Jisall wrote:On August 02 2012 06:30 ChinaRestaurant wrote:On August 02 2012 06:21 Chewbacca. wrote:On August 02 2012 05:52 Papulatus wrote:On August 02 2012 04:38 Joedaddy wrote:
My family and I went to our local Chik-fil-A today. It was crazy how many people came out to show their support. They filled up 2 different parking lots and had a line that stretched out of the door and 1/2 way around the building. The drive through was a grid locked traffic jam lol. Everyone was really up beat and polite despite having to stand outside in the 100 degree heat waiting on their turn to give their money to Chik-fil-A. And this was just between 11:30 and 12:00. I'd love to know just how long it stayed that busy.
Most everybody was well wishing the workers and each other while we waited. A truly inspiring experience, and I'm very glad we made the trip out to show our support. Sad to hear reports like this and shows how far this nation has to go before we have equal rights for all. :/ Just because the owner of a company may not share the same opinion as you doesn't mean that the entire company is some evil thing that should be ruined. I'd wager the vast majority of the people at Chik-fil-A were there not because they necessarily agree with the owners opinion, but because they agree that the mayor of boston is greatly overstepping his duty as mayor. Except the mayor didn't abuse jack shit. He just voiced his opinion in a letter as far as I know. Lol voicing his opinion that he would use his power to prevent a business from entering his city is an abuse of power and office, which is why he retracted his opinion later. He knew he overstepped his bounds. Yeah, I work for a company and lets say a person who wasn't affiliated with our company but shared a last name with our company said some things that offended people. I was the person answering all the hate-mail that came in. Got to remember that the company is made up of people just like you. Besides that. It is always a load of fun to say fuck you to the government. Its an american tradition, like july 4th when we did the same thing lmao. http://consumerist.com/2012/07/heres-the-letter-where-boston-mayor-tells-chick-fil-a-to-stay-the-cluck-out-of-his-town.htmlThis is the letter I'm referring to and I don't really see any direct abuse of power (as I would understand the term anyways). I dont really see what's so bad about this letter. If I was the mayor of a town that tries to do as much as possible for equality I'd probably be at least tempted to do the same. Since the original letter the Mayor has retracted at least some of his stronger comments, admitting that he went too far or that he couldn't actually do what he threatened. Alright, I didn't know that. Any idea what he actually said in the original letter (or threatened) specifically? I mean sure, if he threatened to throw them out or actually keep them from opening a joint in Boston he overstepped, but the edited version looks fine to me. The linked article has the text, there's no edits, that's what was said in the original letter. This whole thing is way overblown except for how not ok it is to discriminate against gay people and how screwed up the US media is by the way they twist and alter the story to sensationalize it one way or the other.
Lol the ad on this page is pure gold.
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The whole thing would have never been an issue if the mayor didn't make a political power play.
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On August 02 2012 07:05 Felnarion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2012 06:54 ChinaRestaurant wrote:On August 02 2012 06:38 Jisall wrote:On August 02 2012 06:30 ChinaRestaurant wrote:On August 02 2012 06:21 Chewbacca. wrote:On August 02 2012 05:52 Papulatus wrote:On August 02 2012 04:38 Joedaddy wrote:
My family and I went to our local Chik-fil-A today. It was crazy how many people came out to show their support. They filled up 2 different parking lots and had a line that stretched out of the door and 1/2 way around the building. The drive through was a grid locked traffic jam lol. Everyone was really up beat and polite despite having to stand outside in the 100 degree heat waiting on their turn to give their money to Chik-fil-A. And this was just between 11:30 and 12:00. I'd love to know just how long it stayed that busy.
Most everybody was well wishing the workers and each other while we waited. A truly inspiring experience, and I'm very glad we made the trip out to show our support. Sad to hear reports like this and shows how far this nation has to go before we have equal rights for all. :/ Just because the owner of a company may not share the same opinion as you doesn't mean that the entire company is some evil thing that should be ruined. I'd wager the vast majority of the people at Chik-fil-A were there not because they necessarily agree with the owners opinion, but because they agree that the mayor of boston is greatly overstepping his duty as mayor. Except the mayor didn't abuse jack shit. He just voiced his opinion in a letter as far as I know. Lol voicing his opinion that he would use his power to prevent a business from entering his city is an abuse of power and office, which is why he retracted his opinion later. He knew he overstepped his bounds. Yeah, I work for a company and lets say a person who wasn't affiliated with our company but shared a last name with our company said some things that offended people. I was the person answering all the hate-mail that came in. Got to remember that the company is made up of people just like you. Besides that. It is always a load of fun to say fuck you to the government. Its an american tradition, like july 4th when we did the same thing lmao. http://consumerist.com/2012/07/heres-the-letter-where-boston-mayor-tells-chick-fil-a-to-stay-the-cluck-out-of-his-town.htmlThis is the letter I'm referring to and I don't really see any direct abuse of power (as I would understand the term anyways). I dont really see what's so bad about this letter. If I was the mayor of a town that tries to do as much as possible for equality I'd probably be at least tempted to do the same. That's probably because you've never run a business. While Chick Fil A may have been looking to expand to Boston, they certainly aren't now. Saying that someone isn't welcome, or that you recommend they look elsewhere is a thinly veiled threat that things will not be easy for you. Permits won't go through, red tape everywhere. There is a lot that goes into opening a store, even beyond permitting and building it. There are usually market studies done, as well as a number of other steps...Why would Chick Fil A or any potential franchisee ever take the chance of opening a business the mayor has publically spoken out against? It's a horrible business decision.
Question is for me, why would be the mayor speaking out against them be any worse (in terms of freedom of speech) than any citizen. And yeah, you're right, I've never run a business and don't intend to ever run one because I'm too much of a 'bleeding heart' so to speak to make the hard decisions. I realize those choices have to be made, but if I was the person in charge I'd drive the business to ruin in a very short time, I'm sure of that. On the other hand human rights and equality are very important to me on a personal level so I try to support behaviour that fights discrimination whenever I can.
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On August 02 2012 07:09 Jisall wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2012 07:01 Logo wrote:On August 02 2012 06:59 ChinaRestaurant wrote:On August 02 2012 06:56 Ryalnos wrote:On August 02 2012 06:54 ChinaRestaurant wrote:On August 02 2012 06:38 Jisall wrote:On August 02 2012 06:30 ChinaRestaurant wrote:On August 02 2012 06:21 Chewbacca. wrote:On August 02 2012 05:52 Papulatus wrote:On August 02 2012 04:38 Joedaddy wrote:
My family and I went to our local Chik-fil-A today. It was crazy how many people came out to show their support. They filled up 2 different parking lots and had a line that stretched out of the door and 1/2 way around the building. The drive through was a grid locked traffic jam lol. Everyone was really up beat and polite despite having to stand outside in the 100 degree heat waiting on their turn to give their money to Chik-fil-A. And this was just between 11:30 and 12:00. I'd love to know just how long it stayed that busy.
Most everybody was well wishing the workers and each other while we waited. A truly inspiring experience, and I'm very glad we made the trip out to show our support. Sad to hear reports like this and shows how far this nation has to go before we have equal rights for all. :/ Just because the owner of a company may not share the same opinion as you doesn't mean that the entire company is some evil thing that should be ruined. I'd wager the vast majority of the people at Chik-fil-A were there not because they necessarily agree with the owners opinion, but because they agree that the mayor of boston is greatly overstepping his duty as mayor. Except the mayor didn't abuse jack shit. He just voiced his opinion in a letter as far as I know. Lol voicing his opinion that he would use his power to prevent a business from entering his city is an abuse of power and office, which is why he retracted his opinion later. He knew he overstepped his bounds. Yeah, I work for a company and lets say a person who wasn't affiliated with our company but shared a last name with our company said some things that offended people. I was the person answering all the hate-mail that came in. Got to remember that the company is made up of people just like you. Besides that. It is always a load of fun to say fuck you to the government. Its an american tradition, like july 4th when we did the same thing lmao. http://consumerist.com/2012/07/heres-the-letter-where-boston-mayor-tells-chick-fil-a-to-stay-the-cluck-out-of-his-town.htmlThis is the letter I'm referring to and I don't really see any direct abuse of power (as I would understand the term anyways). I dont really see what's so bad about this letter. If I was the mayor of a town that tries to do as much as possible for equality I'd probably be at least tempted to do the same. Since the original letter the Mayor has retracted at least some of his stronger comments, admitting that he went too far or that he couldn't actually do what he threatened. Alright, I didn't know that. Any idea what he actually said in the original letter (or threatened) specifically? I mean sure, if he threatened to throw them out or actually keep them from opening a joint in Boston he overstepped, but the edited version looks fine to me. The linked article has the text, there's no edits, that's what was said in the original letter. This whole thing is way overblown except for how not ok it is to discriminate against gay people and how screwed up the US media is by the way they twist and alter the story to sensationalize it one way or the other. Lol the ad on this page is pure gold. + Show Spoiler [Google Ads at Their Best] +The whole thing would have never been an issue if the mayor didn't make a political power play.
By that regard this whole thing would never have been an issue if people don't try and oppress gays and lesbians because their valid lifestyle offends them.
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On August 02 2012 07:13 Logo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2012 07:09 Jisall wrote:On August 02 2012 07:01 Logo wrote:On August 02 2012 06:59 ChinaRestaurant wrote:On August 02 2012 06:56 Ryalnos wrote:On August 02 2012 06:54 ChinaRestaurant wrote:On August 02 2012 06:38 Jisall wrote:On August 02 2012 06:30 ChinaRestaurant wrote:On August 02 2012 06:21 Chewbacca. wrote:On August 02 2012 05:52 Papulatus wrote:
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Sad to hear reports like this and shows how far this nation has to go before we have equal rights for all. :/ Just because the owner of a company may not share the same opinion as you doesn't mean that the entire company is some evil thing that should be ruined. I'd wager the vast majority of the people at Chik-fil-A were there not because they necessarily agree with the owners opinion, but because they agree that the mayor of boston is greatly overstepping his duty as mayor. Except the mayor didn't abuse jack shit. He just voiced his opinion in a letter as far as I know. Lol voicing his opinion that he would use his power to prevent a business from entering his city is an abuse of power and office, which is why he retracted his opinion later. He knew he overstepped his bounds. Yeah, I work for a company and lets say a person who wasn't affiliated with our company but shared a last name with our company said some things that offended people. I was the person answering all the hate-mail that came in. Got to remember that the company is made up of people just like you. Besides that. It is always a load of fun to say fuck you to the government. Its an american tradition, like july 4th when we did the same thing lmao. http://consumerist.com/2012/07/heres-the-letter-where-boston-mayor-tells-chick-fil-a-to-stay-the-cluck-out-of-his-town.htmlThis is the letter I'm referring to and I don't really see any direct abuse of power (as I would understand the term anyways). I dont really see what's so bad about this letter. If I was the mayor of a town that tries to do as much as possible for equality I'd probably be at least tempted to do the same. Since the original letter the Mayor has retracted at least some of his stronger comments, admitting that he went too far or that he couldn't actually do what he threatened. Alright, I didn't know that. Any idea what he actually said in the original letter (or threatened) specifically? I mean sure, if he threatened to throw them out or actually keep them from opening a joint in Boston he overstepped, but the edited version looks fine to me. The linked article has the text, there's no edits, that's what was said in the original letter. This whole thing is way overblown except for how not ok it is to discriminate against gay people and how screwed up the US media is by the way they twist and alter the story to sensationalize it one way or the other. Lol the ad on this page is pure gold. + Show Spoiler [Google Ads at Their Best] +The whole thing would have never been an issue if the mayor didn't make a political power play. By that regard this whole thing would never have been an issue if people don't try and oppress gays and lesbians because their valid lifestyle offends them.
Following that trail of logic back, no-one would care about a persons sexual-orientation if they didn't try and take the religion out of marriage when there is a identical substitute available.
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On August 02 2012 07:12 ChinaRestaurant wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2012 07:05 Felnarion wrote:On August 02 2012 06:54 ChinaRestaurant wrote:On August 02 2012 06:38 Jisall wrote:On August 02 2012 06:30 ChinaRestaurant wrote:On August 02 2012 06:21 Chewbacca. wrote:On August 02 2012 05:52 Papulatus wrote:On August 02 2012 04:38 Joedaddy wrote:
My family and I went to our local Chik-fil-A today. It was crazy how many people came out to show their support. They filled up 2 different parking lots and had a line that stretched out of the door and 1/2 way around the building. The drive through was a grid locked traffic jam lol. Everyone was really up beat and polite despite having to stand outside in the 100 degree heat waiting on their turn to give their money to Chik-fil-A. And this was just between 11:30 and 12:00. I'd love to know just how long it stayed that busy.
Most everybody was well wishing the workers and each other while we waited. A truly inspiring experience, and I'm very glad we made the trip out to show our support. Sad to hear reports like this and shows how far this nation has to go before we have equal rights for all. :/ Just because the owner of a company may not share the same opinion as you doesn't mean that the entire company is some evil thing that should be ruined. I'd wager the vast majority of the people at Chik-fil-A were there not because they necessarily agree with the owners opinion, but because they agree that the mayor of boston is greatly overstepping his duty as mayor. Except the mayor didn't abuse jack shit. He just voiced his opinion in a letter as far as I know. Lol voicing his opinion that he would use his power to prevent a business from entering his city is an abuse of power and office, which is why he retracted his opinion later. He knew he overstepped his bounds. Yeah, I work for a company and lets say a person who wasn't affiliated with our company but shared a last name with our company said some things that offended people. I was the person answering all the hate-mail that came in. Got to remember that the company is made up of people just like you. Besides that. It is always a load of fun to say fuck you to the government. Its an american tradition, like july 4th when we did the same thing lmao. http://consumerist.com/2012/07/heres-the-letter-where-boston-mayor-tells-chick-fil-a-to-stay-the-cluck-out-of-his-town.htmlThis is the letter I'm referring to and I don't really see any direct abuse of power (as I would understand the term anyways). I dont really see what's so bad about this letter. If I was the mayor of a town that tries to do as much as possible for equality I'd probably be at least tempted to do the same. That's probably because you've never run a business. While Chick Fil A may have been looking to expand to Boston, they certainly aren't now. Saying that someone isn't welcome, or that you recommend they look elsewhere is a thinly veiled threat that things will not be easy for you. Permits won't go through, red tape everywhere. There is a lot that goes into opening a store, even beyond permitting and building it. There are usually market studies done, as well as a number of other steps...Why would Chick Fil A or any potential franchisee ever take the chance of opening a business the mayor has publically spoken out against? It's a horrible business decision. Question is for me, why would be the mayor speaking out against them be any worse (in terms of freedom of speech) than any citizen. And yeah, you're right, I've never run a business and don't intend to ever run one because I'm too much of a 'bleeding heart' so to speak to make the hard decisions. I realize those choices have to be made, but if I was the person in charge I'd drive the business to ruin in a very short time, I'm sure of that. On the other hand human rights and equality are very important to me on a personal level so I try to support behaviour that fights discrimination whenever I can.
Why is he different? Because if I speak out against Chick Fil A, it doesn't mean shit except one lost customer.
A mayor has the power to make my permits go away, to do random safety inspections every day, to do a number of things that would make running a business hell, or worse. And while I'm not saying he would do that, you can't open a business on "Well, I hope he doesn't"
If my boss, tomorrow, tells me I'm not welcome...I mean, it's not like he's firing me, but I'm sure as shit not staying around either.
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On August 02 2012 06:37 Joedaddy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2012 06:29 CajunMan wrote:
Here in Atlanta the wait was an hour for any Chick fil a cool to see so much support for something like this.
Also @Papulatus I don't understand these protests Chick Fil a has never said anything against gays other than they are against marrage and gays are always allowed at a Chickfila what will this say exactly? This type of protest only hurts Franchises who are trying to make a living and pissing off owners you are hurting them personally and making yourself look stupid. Why not just hold signs like gays' against chickfila and just say please don't purchase from here seems like the Gay community is becoming PETA. It's a much bolder statement to make an obscene gesture like being physically intimate in front of a public place. My complaint against such a protest is that I can't imagine it being socially acceptable for any couple (straight or gay), especially in mass, to "make out" in public. Especially when its a place where a lot of young children are likely to be. Have you ever seen a stand alone Chik-fil-A without a playground for kids? I'm sure they exist, but not around here. I'm all for protest, but I find the whole "stage a kiss" thing to be a bit over the top. Also, I'm glad to hear that so many people are showing up to show their support in other places around the nation. Go Chik-fil-A!! Edit at the guy above me: The problem is he was initially talking about using the power of his office to literally ban Chik-fil-A from doing business in his city. Ironically, it was the mayor who was attempting to punish and stifle free speech. The bottom line would be this: If you voice an opinion I disagree with, then I'm not going to allow you to business here.
In what way is kissing obscene? I see people kissing in public all the time.
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On August 02 2012 07:15 Jisall wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2012 07:13 Logo wrote:On August 02 2012 07:09 Jisall wrote:On August 02 2012 07:01 Logo wrote:On August 02 2012 06:59 ChinaRestaurant wrote:On August 02 2012 06:56 Ryalnos wrote:On August 02 2012 06:54 ChinaRestaurant wrote:On August 02 2012 06:38 Jisall wrote:On August 02 2012 06:30 ChinaRestaurant wrote:On August 02 2012 06:21 Chewbacca. wrote:
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Just because the owner of a company may not share the same opinion as you doesn't mean that the entire company is some evil thing that should be ruined.
I'd wager the vast majority of the people at Chik-fil-A were there not because they necessarily agree with the owners opinion, but because they agree that the mayor of boston is greatly overstepping his duty as mayor. Except the mayor didn't abuse jack shit. He just voiced his opinion in a letter as far as I know. Lol voicing his opinion that he would use his power to prevent a business from entering his city is an abuse of power and office, which is why he retracted his opinion later. He knew he overstepped his bounds. Yeah, I work for a company and lets say a person who wasn't affiliated with our company but shared a last name with our company said some things that offended people. I was the person answering all the hate-mail that came in. Got to remember that the company is made up of people just like you. Besides that. It is always a load of fun to say fuck you to the government. Its an american tradition, like july 4th when we did the same thing lmao. http://consumerist.com/2012/07/heres-the-letter-where-boston-mayor-tells-chick-fil-a-to-stay-the-cluck-out-of-his-town.htmlThis is the letter I'm referring to and I don't really see any direct abuse of power (as I would understand the term anyways). I dont really see what's so bad about this letter. If I was the mayor of a town that tries to do as much as possible for equality I'd probably be at least tempted to do the same. Since the original letter the Mayor has retracted at least some of his stronger comments, admitting that he went too far or that he couldn't actually do what he threatened. Alright, I didn't know that. Any idea what he actually said in the original letter (or threatened) specifically? I mean sure, if he threatened to throw them out or actually keep them from opening a joint in Boston he overstepped, but the edited version looks fine to me. The linked article has the text, there's no edits, that's what was said in the original letter. This whole thing is way overblown except for how not ok it is to discriminate against gay people and how screwed up the US media is by the way they twist and alter the story to sensationalize it one way or the other. Lol the ad on this page is pure gold. + Show Spoiler [Google Ads at Their Best] +The whole thing would have never been an issue if the mayor didn't make a political power play. By that regard this whole thing would never have been an issue if people don't try and oppress gays and lesbians because their valid lifestyle offends them. Following that trail of logic back, no-one would care about a persons sexual-orientation if they didn't try and take the religion out of marriage when there is a identical substitute available.
But there isn't actually an identical substitute available... I agree with the idea of the mayor just making Chick-Fil-A's attempt to open a store hell and not mentioning it in public. Would of been much easier for him.
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