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On July 31 2012 07:55 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 06:44 Mogget wrote:
I get that gay people dont want to accept a civil union with equal status as an alternative as even though tax breaks etc would still be there, the worry would be it isnt seen in the same light as Marriage. Ok
Here's a thought:
What does marriage mean to Non-religious people? A civil union between two people.
What does marriage mean to Religious people? A sacred union under god.
Hows about ALL atheists, gay/straight/whatever get civil partnerships? I for one have no desire what-so-ever to be "married" i would MUCH prefer a civil partnership, but being straight leaves me with marriage, and we leave "Marriage" to the people who hold it as a sacred joining?
Its all in a name, and that name means SUBSTANTIALLY more to one group of people (The religious people) so why not just let them have it and everyone else stop fighting for something they dont actually want anyway? Ok. Wacky idea, I know, but follow me here. Alright. So. We have a gay man. And we have his life partner. Another gay man. And guess what? They're religious. And because of this, they want to get married.Crazy, I know.
Good question, i did think about that for a bit, but as far as i can tell if they are actually religious, then they should probably be of the view that by the definition of marriage they cant?
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McDonalds recently came out in support of chic fil a or whatever and i for one will not be eating at either establishment.
edit- apparently snopes says this is a false rumor. my bad. well ill eat at mcdonalds but not chick fil a then.
http://www.snopes.com/photos/signs/chickfila.asp
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On July 31 2012 08:02 Mogget wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 07:55 Stratos_speAr wrote:On July 31 2012 06:44 Mogget wrote:
I get that gay people dont want to accept a civil union with equal status as an alternative as even though tax breaks etc would still be there, the worry would be it isnt seen in the same light as Marriage. Ok
Here's a thought:
What does marriage mean to Non-religious people? A civil union between two people.
What does marriage mean to Religious people? A sacred union under god.
Hows about ALL atheists, gay/straight/whatever get civil partnerships? I for one have no desire what-so-ever to be "married" i would MUCH prefer a civil partnership, but being straight leaves me with marriage, and we leave "Marriage" to the people who hold it as a sacred joining?
Its all in a name, and that name means SUBSTANTIALLY more to one group of people (The religious people) so why not just let them have it and everyone else stop fighting for something they dont actually want anyway? Ok. Wacky idea, I know, but follow me here. Alright. So. We have a gay man. And we have his life partner. Another gay man. And guess what? They're religious. And because of this, they want to get married.Crazy, I know. Good question, i did think about that for a bit, but as far as i can tell if they are actually religious, then they should probably be of the view that by the definition of marriage they cant?
Not all Christians think that homosexuality is a sin. A lot of American Catholics don't, a lot of Lutherans don't, some Methodists don't, and I'm certain I'm forgetting dozens of denominations that also don't regard homosexuality as a sin.
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On July 30 2012 17:58 GraFx wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2012 17:46 Whitewing wrote:On July 30 2012 17:40 GraFx wrote:On July 30 2012 17:38 Whitewing wrote:On July 30 2012 17:28 GraFx wrote:On July 30 2012 17:15 Whitewing wrote:On July 30 2012 17:07 GraFx wrote:On July 30 2012 13:00 Whitewing wrote:On July 30 2012 03:38 PanN wrote:On July 30 2012 03:26 GraFx wrote:
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I initially commented because I'd love to discuss the situation. I haven't read the entire thread, but I've read a good 70% of it and the last few pages presented little to no actual discussion. It's been a lot of "your opinion is different than mine therefore it is wrong so you must be stupid"
There have been exceptions sure but it's disheartening to see legit discussion topics reduced to insults and diarrhea of the mouth because people run out of rational thoughts.
Honestly, I wanted to link this article but I was beat to the punch.
[quote] See this post was awesome. I actually missed that article . . . and thanks to you I get to read it now. Thank you! That article was written by this gentlemen here: "I am an Associate Professor of Biblical Studies at Boyce College, the undergraduate arm of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, KY. I also serve as an Associate Pastor at Kenwood Baptist Church, which is in Louisville as well." Clearly a biased individual (and not even from a particularly qualified person on journalism). In fact, you took the article from the man's personal website, not exactly a credible source of information and facts. But lets move on to the actual substance of the article. He conveniently ignores the massive amount of money Chik-fil-a has donated to anti-gay rights organizations, which makes it an anti-gay company. The owner is anti-gay. The company gives money to anti-gay organizations. I don't see how you can claim the company isn't anti-gay rights. His first point is that Chik-fil-a spouted a take-back statement after they stepped in shit and realized how much trouble they were getting themselves in, and therefore isn't an anti-gay business. His second point is also blatantly a lie and academically dishonest, I present the following quote from the interview: Some have opposed the company's support of the traditional family. "Well, guilty as charged," said Cathy when asked about the company's position. "We are very much supportive of the family -- the biblical definition of the family unit. We are a family-owned business, a family-led business, and we are married to our first wives. We give God thanks for that. I don't know how you can interpret that to conclude that they aren't denigrating the idea of two men being married or two women being married. Read the interview for yourselves. He even writes (about a previous interview) "Cathy also emphasized how crucial it is for children to be raised by both a mother and father. As an aside, he mentions that that’s why he believes it’s arrogant to try and redefine marriage. It’s bad for children and invites God’s judgment. Cathy never says anything about homosexuality or gay marriage explicitly. You will not find the words “gay marriage” or “same-sex marriage” anywhere in this interview. Again, I invite readers to verify this for themselves by listening to the audio below. The interview begins at the 22:00 minute mark." As if it there was someway to interpret "it's arrogant to try and redefine marriage" that doesn't include the meaning of gay marriage being wrong. In short, that article you link is horse shit. His argument is awful. Try to evaluate these things with an eye towards acadeic standards. It's a blog, I'm sorry I used the word article. But to immediately discredit the value of what's written because of his bias towards the situation solely because he happens to advertise himself a Christian is a stretch. That's like me saying your post isn't credible or worth value because you're obviously bias against Christians. The words "anti-gay organization" is thrown around so loosely here, have you looked to see what organizations they donate to? Organizations like James Dobson's Focus on the Family. An openly Christian organization who offers help to families in crisis. Whether it be abuse, adultery, divorce, whatever the case. They happen to openly express they believe marriage should be between a man and a woman, does that make them an "anti-gay organization" ? Are they out picketing? Personally, I don't eat lettuce so does that make me anti-vegetable?? (A very loose analogy). I feel like because of certain loud over-zealous "Christian" groups such as Westboro most people immediately assume all organizations or groups who identify themselves as Christian are similar in how to treat homosexuality. Just because they don't agree with it doesn't necessarily mean they're actively trying to stop it. You'll notice I had an entire argument lined up outside of commenting on his bias and lack of credentials that came afterwards, you might want to read that. Any organization that openly declares that they believe marriage is only between a man and a woman is declaring a stance that gays should not be allowed to marry. That is by definition an anti-gay position. If they weren't anti-gay, they wouldn't feel the need to state that position. Your analogy isn't just very loose, it's not even remotely applicable. Your statement is the logical equivalent of asking "I'm not gay, does that make me anti-gay?" The answer is of course not, but that's also a strawman, and it's not logically applicable even if it weren't a strawman. These organizations openly declared their position on this issue. And no, it's not because they are christian, it's because they took a position that directly opposes gay rights, because they think good christians should (many other christians disagree, you know, the ones who actually don't force their religion on other people? I know they're rare, but they do occasionally exist). So no, this isn't me being anti-christian, this is me being anti-bigot. And incidentally, they are actively trying to stop it, and going out of your way to make sure people know your opinion or stance on an issue is an attempt to influence the issue. And the blog is still hilariously wrong, awful, and academically dishonest. If all of this is you being anti-bigot then your arguments against Dan Cathy/ChickFilA fall apart. He was asked questions on a radio interview about his views on fatherhood and family, and he gave his personal belief/view of it. He was asked in a Christian publication interview if he thought marriage should be between a man and a woman to which he replied his personal beliefs/views on it. Where is the bigotry? Where is the discrimination? He didn't attack anybody personally, he didn't insult the other side of the fence, he simply answered the questions he was asked in a PR intelligent way. The root of the issue still lies in that Chick Fil A as a business has never discriminated against an employee or a customer based on sexual orientation and until they do, these mayors are out of line to blatantly say they will use their power to deny business. Hate on Dan Cathy all you want for his personal views, but until Chick Fil A is donating 2million dollars to "Don't Let the Faggots Get Married Inc." then they've technically discriminated against nobody. Stating that you believe marriage is only between a man in a woman is logically equivalent to saying that men cannot marry men and women cannot marry women. That is by definition bigotry against gays, by stating that they cannot engage in a relationship with each other on the same level as a man and a woman can. In other words, heterosexuals should have more rights than homosexuals. It isn't as obvious and over the top, but it still is very harmful, and in many ways worse than the asshole who actually shouts it on the street, because it attempts to institutionalize and defend a harmful and hateful opinion with a moral high ground attitude that is unjustified. Go study some social justice issues, and read up on the history and patterns of other civil rights issues in the past, like racism (separate-but-equal segregation ring a bell?). The fact is, hatred can be institutionalized or cultural or even straight up disguised, but that doesn't make it not hatred. There is a difference between passive and active discrimination, but that doesn't make it any less wrong. He might not be actively discriminating against gay people, but he believes in discrimination against them. He is allowed to have his opinion, he's just scum for having that particular opinion. "His opinion is different than mine therefore he is scum." Glad our discussion covered so much ground. **edit** just remember, by your argument everybody is entitled to an opinion and you're discriminating against him for being a Christian by those same grounds. Would you please learn to read? I don't know how you missed the entire part where I went out of my way to say that there are plenty of christians out there who I have no problem with because they aren't doing this, which obviously means I'm not anti-christian. I'm not hating on this bastard for being christian. And being entitled to an opinion and having a good, well-reasoned opinion are not the same damn things. Not all opinions are created equal. Until you can actually argue that yours is a good one, and back that up with logic, reason, and evidence, you have to suck it up and deal with the fact that you have no good reason for holding the opinion you do. Everyone has a right to have an opinion. They do not have a right to force others to respect the opinion itself. And no, he's not scum for having a different opinion than mine, he's scum for being a hateful prick. If you can somehow find a way to logically argue that believing that gays and lesbians should not be allowed to marry the person they love is not hateful or bigoted, I'm listening. Did you also skip the part where I actually lay that out for you? Good to know you like to skip the entire actual argument itself and skip right to the end though. This is your reminder for this post to actually read the argument and not cherry pick specific lines while skipping everything else. You have to see what you're doing here, you're judging other's opinions as trash and your own as facts. All opinions are created equal, if they weren't they would be called facts. Your opinion is that he is a bigot but you're twisting his words to fit the character you've already determined he is. You literally take every chance you can to insult the man because his opinion is not the same as yours but you know nothing about him other than what the media has told you. Believe me when I say I've read all of your posts, but when you type a tiny bit of thought and wrap it in insults there's not much to reply to you'll have to excuse me. For him to be a Christian and his belief system to be "Marriage is a religious institution between a man and wife" doesn't make him right or wrong, it's just what he believes. You can take a stance on an issue without being on the front line. If you just throw more insults then there's no need to continue the discussion.
All opinions are created equal, eh?
Well my opinion is that the moon is made of delicious cheese, and we must refund nasa to establish moon base delta 7 in order to secure our cheese mining futures.
No, not all opinions and ideas are created equal. Those created through educated reasoning and facts hold a great deal more weight than baseless ones like I just put forth. Baseless opinions and ideas can be both wrong and stupid.
And the fact is that no substantial argument, with evidence to back it up, against gay marriage that has been put forth to date has held up. Therefore, so far the opinion of being anti-gay marriage is wrong and stupid. Stupid because it's baseless and wrong because it's denying others their rights for no valid reason.
Personally, I stopped eating at cfa anyway after that incident a decade ago where one of their franchise owners refused to serve a black couple but didn't even get a slap on the wrist for it, so I can't boycott them anymore than I already do, though I wish I could.
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On July 31 2012 09:18 Fyrewolf wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On July 30 2012 17:58 GraFx wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2012 17:46 Whitewing wrote:On July 30 2012 17:40 GraFx wrote:On July 30 2012 17:38 Whitewing wrote:On July 30 2012 17:28 GraFx wrote:On July 30 2012 17:15 Whitewing wrote:On July 30 2012 17:07 GraFx wrote:On July 30 2012 13:00 Whitewing wrote:On July 30 2012 03:38 PanN wrote:On July 30 2012 03:26 GraFx wrote:
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I initially commented because I'd love to discuss the situation. I haven't read the entire thread, but I've read a good 70% of it and the last few pages presented little to no actual discussion. It's been a lot of "your opinion is different than mine therefore it is wrong so you must be stupid"
There have been exceptions sure but it's disheartening to see legit discussion topics reduced to insults and diarrhea of the mouth because people run out of rational thoughts.
Honestly, I wanted to link this article but I was beat to the punch.
[quote] See this post was awesome. I actually missed that article . . . and thanks to you I get to read it now. Thank you! That article was written by this gentlemen here: "I am an Associate Professor of Biblical Studies at Boyce College, the undergraduate arm of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, KY. I also serve as an Associate Pastor at Kenwood Baptist Church, which is in Louisville as well." Clearly a biased individual (and not even from a particularly qualified person on journalism). In fact, you took the article from the man's personal website, not exactly a credible source of information and facts. But lets move on to the actual substance of the article. He conveniently ignores the massive amount of money Chik-fil-a has donated to anti-gay rights organizations, which makes it an anti-gay company. The owner is anti-gay. The company gives money to anti-gay organizations. I don't see how you can claim the company isn't anti-gay rights. His first point is that Chik-fil-a spouted a take-back statement after they stepped in shit and realized how much trouble they were getting themselves in, and therefore isn't an anti-gay business. His second point is also blatantly a lie and academically dishonest, I present the following quote from the interview: Some have opposed the company's support of the traditional family. "Well, guilty as charged," said Cathy when asked about the company's position. "We are very much supportive of the family -- the biblical definition of the family unit. We are a family-owned business, a family-led business, and we are married to our first wives. We give God thanks for that. I don't know how you can interpret that to conclude that they aren't denigrating the idea of two men being married or two women being married. Read the interview for yourselves. He even writes (about a previous interview) "Cathy also emphasized how crucial it is for children to be raised by both a mother and father. As an aside, he mentions that that’s why he believes it’s arrogant to try and redefine marriage. It’s bad for children and invites God’s judgment. Cathy never says anything about homosexuality or gay marriage explicitly. You will not find the words “gay marriage” or “same-sex marriage” anywhere in this interview. Again, I invite readers to verify this for themselves by listening to the audio below. The interview begins at the 22:00 minute mark." As if it there was someway to interpret "it's arrogant to try and redefine marriage" that doesn't include the meaning of gay marriage being wrong. In short, that article you link is horse shit. His argument is awful. Try to evaluate these things with an eye towards acadeic standards. It's a blog, I'm sorry I used the word article. But to immediately discredit the value of what's written because of his bias towards the situation solely because he happens to advertise himself a Christian is a stretch. That's like me saying your post isn't credible or worth value because you're obviously bias against Christians. The words "anti-gay organization" is thrown around so loosely here, have you looked to see what organizations they donate to? Organizations like James Dobson's Focus on the Family. An openly Christian organization who offers help to families in crisis. Whether it be abuse, adultery, divorce, whatever the case. They happen to openly express they believe marriage should be between a man and a woman, does that make them an "anti-gay organization" ? Are they out picketing? Personally, I don't eat lettuce so does that make me anti-vegetable?? (A very loose analogy). I feel like because of certain loud over-zealous "Christian" groups such as Westboro most people immediately assume all organizations or groups who identify themselves as Christian are similar in how to treat homosexuality. Just because they don't agree with it doesn't necessarily mean they're actively trying to stop it. You'll notice I had an entire argument lined up outside of commenting on his bias and lack of credentials that came afterwards, you might want to read that. Any organization that openly declares that they believe marriage is only between a man and a woman is declaring a stance that gays should not be allowed to marry. That is by definition an anti-gay position. If they weren't anti-gay, they wouldn't feel the need to state that position. Your analogy isn't just very loose, it's not even remotely applicable. Your statement is the logical equivalent of asking "I'm not gay, does that make me anti-gay?" The answer is of course not, but that's also a strawman, and it's not logically applicable even if it weren't a strawman. These organizations openly declared their position on this issue. And no, it's not because they are christian, it's because they took a position that directly opposes gay rights, because they think good christians should (many other christians disagree, you know, the ones who actually don't force their religion on other people? I know they're rare, but they do occasionally exist). So no, this isn't me being anti-christian, this is me being anti-bigot. And incidentally, they are actively trying to stop it, and going out of your way to make sure people know your opinion or stance on an issue is an attempt to influence the issue. And the blog is still hilariously wrong, awful, and academically dishonest. If all of this is you being anti-bigot then your arguments against Dan Cathy/ChickFilA fall apart. He was asked questions on a radio interview about his views on fatherhood and family, and he gave his personal belief/view of it. He was asked in a Christian publication interview if he thought marriage should be between a man and a woman to which he replied his personal beliefs/views on it. Where is the bigotry? Where is the discrimination? He didn't attack anybody personally, he didn't insult the other side of the fence, he simply answered the questions he was asked in a PR intelligent way. The root of the issue still lies in that Chick Fil A as a business has never discriminated against an employee or a customer based on sexual orientation and until they do, these mayors are out of line to blatantly say they will use their power to deny business. Hate on Dan Cathy all you want for his personal views, but until Chick Fil A is donating 2million dollars to "Don't Let the Faggots Get Married Inc." then they've technically discriminated against nobody. Stating that you believe marriage is only between a man in a woman is logically equivalent to saying that men cannot marry men and women cannot marry women. That is by definition bigotry against gays, by stating that they cannot engage in a relationship with each other on the same level as a man and a woman can. In other words, heterosexuals should have more rights than homosexuals. It isn't as obvious and over the top, but it still is very harmful, and in many ways worse than the asshole who actually shouts it on the street, because it attempts to institutionalize and defend a harmful and hateful opinion with a moral high ground attitude that is unjustified. Go study some social justice issues, and read up on the history and patterns of other civil rights issues in the past, like racism (separate-but-equal segregation ring a bell?). The fact is, hatred can be institutionalized or cultural or even straight up disguised, but that doesn't make it not hatred. There is a difference between passive and active discrimination, but that doesn't make it any less wrong. He might not be actively discriminating against gay people, but he believes in discrimination against them. He is allowed to have his opinion, he's just scum for having that particular opinion. "His opinion is different than mine therefore he is scum." Glad our discussion covered so much ground. **edit** just remember, by your argument everybody is entitled to an opinion and you're discriminating against him for being a Christian by those same grounds. Would you please learn to read? I don't know how you missed the entire part where I went out of my way to say that there are plenty of christians out there who I have no problem with because they aren't doing this, which obviously means I'm not anti-christian. I'm not hating on this bastard for being christian. And being entitled to an opinion and having a good, well-reasoned opinion are not the same damn things. Not all opinions are created equal. Until you can actually argue that yours is a good one, and back that up with logic, reason, and evidence, you have to suck it up and deal with the fact that you have no good reason for holding the opinion you do. Everyone has a right to have an opinion. They do not have a right to force others to respect the opinion itself. And no, he's not scum for having a different opinion than mine, he's scum for being a hateful prick. If you can somehow find a way to logically argue that believing that gays and lesbians should not be allowed to marry the person they love is not hateful or bigoted, I'm listening. Did you also skip the part where I actually lay that out for you? Good to know you like to skip the entire actual argument itself and skip right to the end though. This is your reminder for this post to actually read the argument and not cherry pick specific lines while skipping everything else. You have to see what you're doing here, you're judging other's opinions as trash and your own as facts. All opinions are created equal, if they weren't they would be called facts. Your opinion is that he is a bigot but you're twisting his words to fit the character you've already determined he is. You literally take every chance you can to insult the man because his opinion is not the same as yours but you know nothing about him other than what the media has told you. Believe me when I say I've read all of your posts, but when you type a tiny bit of thought and wrap it in insults there's not much to reply to you'll have to excuse me. For him to be a Christian and his belief system to be "Marriage is a religious institution between a man and wife" doesn't make him right or wrong, it's just what he believes. You can take a stance on an issue without being on the front line. If you just throw more insults then there's no need to continue the discussion. All opinions are created equal, eh? Well my opinion is that the moon is made of delicious cheese, and we must refund nasa to establish moon base delta 7 in order to secure our cheese mining futures. No, not all opinions and ideas are created equal. Those created through educated reasoning and facts hold a great deal more weight than baseless ones like I just put forth. Baseless opinions and ideas can be both wrong and stupid. And the fact is that no substantial argument, with evidence to back it up, against gay marriage that has been put forth to date has held up. Therefore, so far the opinion of being anti-gay marriage is wrong and stupid. Stupid because it's baseless and wrong because it's denying others their rights for no valid reason. Personally, I stopped eating at cfa anyway after that incident a few years ago where one of their locations refused to serve a black couple, so I can't boycott them anymore than I already do, though I wish I could.
Uh, do you have proof for this ridiculous accusation? I'm fairly sure with all the crap being thrown at Chick-Fil-A that someone else would have brought this up by now if it were true.
I'm all for stating how much you hate an establishment for whatever reason, but at least have some kind of proof if you are going to make such a bold statement.
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I am going to enjoy a nice chic-fil-a sandwich in honor of chic-fil-a today and also to give a middle finger to the mayor 
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My family and I went to our local Chik-fil-A today. It was crazy how many people came out to show their support. They filled up 2 different parking lots and had a line that stretched out of the door and 1/2 way around the building. The drive through was a grid locked traffic jam lol. Everyone was really up beat and polite despite having to stand outside in the 100 degree heat waiting on their turn to give their money to Chik-fil-A. And this was just between 11:30 and 12:00. I'd love to know just how long it stayed that busy.
Most everybody was well wishing the workers and each other while we waited. A truly inspiring experience, and I'm very glad we made the trip out to show our support.
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On August 02 2012 04:38 Joedaddy wrote:
My family and I went to our local Chik-fil-A today. It was crazy how many people came out to show their support. They filled up 2 different parking lots and had a line that stretched out of the door and 1/2 way around the building. The drive through was a grid locked traffic jam lol. Everyone was really up beat and polite despite having to stand outside in the 100 degree heat waiting on their turn to give their money to Chik-fil-A. And this was just between 11:30 and 12:00. I'd love to know just how long it stayed that busy.
Most everybody was well wishing the workers and each other while we waited. A truly inspiring experience, and I'm very glad we made the trip out to show our support.
Yeah mayor of boston just made chic-fil-a have its best sales day of the year I bargain.
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On August 02 2012 04:38 Joedaddy wrote:
My family and I went to our local Chik-fil-A today. It was crazy how many people came out to show their support. They filled up 2 different parking lots and had a line that stretched out of the door and 1/2 way around the building. The drive through was a grid locked traffic jam lol. Everyone was really up beat and polite despite having to stand outside in the 100 degree heat waiting on their turn to give their money to Chik-fil-A. And this was just between 11:30 and 12:00. I'd love to know just how long it stayed that busy.
Most everybody was well wishing the workers and each other while we waited. A truly inspiring experience, and I'm very glad we made the trip out to show our support.
Sad to hear reports like this and shows how far this nation has to go before we have equal rights for all. :/
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On August 02 2012 05:52 Papulatus wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2012 04:38 Joedaddy wrote:
My family and I went to our local Chik-fil-A today. It was crazy how many people came out to show their support. They filled up 2 different parking lots and had a line that stretched out of the door and 1/2 way around the building. The drive through was a grid locked traffic jam lol. Everyone was really up beat and polite despite having to stand outside in the 100 degree heat waiting on their turn to give their money to Chik-fil-A. And this was just between 11:30 and 12:00. I'd love to know just how long it stayed that busy.
Most everybody was well wishing the workers and each other while we waited. A truly inspiring experience, and I'm very glad we made the trip out to show our support. Sad to hear reports like this and shows how far this nation has to go before we have equal rights for all. :/
It must be heartbreaking to hear the opinion of someone who disagrees with you. My heart bleeds for you.
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Here in Katy, Texas, there were cars lined up past two stoplights, and the parking lot behind the store which usually only has about 14 or so cars for either Chick-fil-a or Taco Cabana was completely full, almost 100, not sure. It was 11:00 am or so.
I really dunno about people sometimes...
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On August 02 2012 05:52 Papulatus wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2012 04:38 Joedaddy wrote:
My family and I went to our local Chik-fil-A today. It was crazy how many people came out to show their support. They filled up 2 different parking lots and had a line that stretched out of the door and 1/2 way around the building. The drive through was a grid locked traffic jam lol. Everyone was really up beat and polite despite having to stand outside in the 100 degree heat waiting on their turn to give their money to Chik-fil-A. And this was just between 11:30 and 12:00. I'd love to know just how long it stayed that busy.
Most everybody was well wishing the workers and each other while we waited. A truly inspiring experience, and I'm very glad we made the trip out to show our support. Sad to hear reports like this and shows how far this nation has to go before we have equal rights for all. :/
Whenever anybody ends up on one side or another of a controversial issue this stuff happens. A short term boon is pretty inconsequential. The real question is whether they will suffer long term losses after the initial passion dies down. It is hard to call because hunger and apathy are generally stronger than political convictions but it is also way easier to be an activist by not doing something than it is to be an activist by doing something.
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On August 02 2012 06:09 Ooshmagoosh wrote:
Here in Katy, Texas, there were cars lined up past two stoplights, and the parking lot behind the store which usually only has about 14 or so cars for either Chick-fil-a or Taco Cabana was completely full, almost 100, not sure. It was 11:00 am or so.
I really dunno about people sometimes...
Lol where im from there is a line about a mile back from the drive-threw. Shit I see a new business model. Piss off mayors, reap the profits.
On August 02 2012 05:57 Mogget wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2012 05:52 Papulatus wrote:On August 02 2012 04:38 Joedaddy wrote:
My family and I went to our local Chik-fil-A today. It was crazy how many people came out to show their support. They filled up 2 different parking lots and had a line that stretched out of the door and 1/2 way around the building. The drive through was a grid locked traffic jam lol. Everyone was really up beat and polite despite having to stand outside in the 100 degree heat waiting on their turn to give their money to Chik-fil-A. And this was just between 11:30 and 12:00. I'd love to know just how long it stayed that busy.
Most everybody was well wishing the workers and each other while we waited. A truly inspiring experience, and I'm very glad we made the trip out to show our support. Sad to hear reports like this and shows how far this nation has to go before we have equal rights for all. :/ It must be heartbreaking to hear the opinion of someone who disagrees with you. My heart bleeds for you.
HAHHAHAHAHAA. Laughed my ass off at that. Comment was cash!
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On August 02 2012 05:57 Mogget wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2012 05:52 Papulatus wrote:On August 02 2012 04:38 Joedaddy wrote:
My family and I went to our local Chik-fil-A today. It was crazy how many people came out to show their support. They filled up 2 different parking lots and had a line that stretched out of the door and 1/2 way around the building. The drive through was a grid locked traffic jam lol. Everyone was really up beat and polite despite having to stand outside in the 100 degree heat waiting on their turn to give their money to Chik-fil-A. And this was just between 11:30 and 12:00. I'd love to know just how long it stayed that busy.
Most everybody was well wishing the workers and each other while we waited. A truly inspiring experience, and I'm very glad we made the trip out to show our support. Sad to hear reports like this and shows how far this nation has to go before we have equal rights for all. :/ It must be heartbreaking to hear the opinion of someone who disagrees with you. My heart bleeds for you.
Can we please stop acting like this is just two different opinions? It's really not.
If this was people flipping out because they don't like Austrian economics and the other guy does, that would be a difference of opinions.
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On August 02 2012 06:13 Whitewing wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2012 05:57 Mogget wrote:On August 02 2012 05:52 Papulatus wrote:On August 02 2012 04:38 Joedaddy wrote:
My family and I went to our local Chik-fil-A today. It was crazy how many people came out to show their support. They filled up 2 different parking lots and had a line that stretched out of the door and 1/2 way around the building. The drive through was a grid locked traffic jam lol. Everyone was really up beat and polite despite having to stand outside in the 100 degree heat waiting on their turn to give their money to Chik-fil-A. And this was just between 11:30 and 12:00. I'd love to know just how long it stayed that busy.
Most everybody was well wishing the workers and each other while we waited. A truly inspiring experience, and I'm very glad we made the trip out to show our support. Sad to hear reports like this and shows how far this nation has to go before we have equal rights for all. :/ It must be heartbreaking to hear the opinion of someone who disagrees with you. My heart bleeds for you. Can we please stop acting like this is just two different opinions? It's really not. If this was people flipping out because they don't like Austrian economics and the other guy does, that would be a difference of opinions.
Austrian Economics is no laughing matter...
Source: http://mises.org/etexts/austrian.asp
Don't worry bro your day is on friday, gay people are going to go outside chic-fil-a's and make-out and shit. Grab a friend and support, or show up for the lesbians like I plan too
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On August 02 2012 05:57 Mogget wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2012 05:52 Papulatus wrote:On August 02 2012 04:38 Joedaddy wrote:
My family and I went to our local Chik-fil-A today. It was crazy how many people came out to show their support. They filled up 2 different parking lots and had a line that stretched out of the door and 1/2 way around the building. The drive through was a grid locked traffic jam lol. Everyone was really up beat and polite despite having to stand outside in the 100 degree heat waiting on their turn to give their money to Chik-fil-A. And this was just between 11:30 and 12:00. I'd love to know just how long it stayed that busy.
Most everybody was well wishing the workers and each other while we waited. A truly inspiring experience, and I'm very glad we made the trip out to show our support. Sad to hear reports like this and shows how far this nation has to go before we have equal rights for all. :/ It must be heartbreaking to hear the opinion of someone who disagrees with you. My heart bleeds for you.
This really isn't a matter of opinions, its a matter of having equal rights for all. If it was up to me we wouldn't have government regulated marriage, but since we do, homosexuals should have the same rights as other.
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On August 02 2012 05:52 Papulatus wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2012 04:38 Joedaddy wrote:
My family and I went to our local Chik-fil-A today. It was crazy how many people came out to show their support. They filled up 2 different parking lots and had a line that stretched out of the door and 1/2 way around the building. The drive through was a grid locked traffic jam lol. Everyone was really up beat and polite despite having to stand outside in the 100 degree heat waiting on their turn to give their money to Chik-fil-A. And this was just between 11:30 and 12:00. I'd love to know just how long it stayed that busy.
Most everybody was well wishing the workers and each other while we waited. A truly inspiring experience, and I'm very glad we made the trip out to show our support. Sad to hear reports like this and shows how far this nation has to go before we have equal rights for all. :/
Just because the owner of a company may not share the same opinion as you doesn't mean that the entire company is some evil thing that should be ruined.
I'd wager the vast majority of the people at Chik-fil-A were there not because they necessarily agree with the owners opinion, but because they agree that the mayor of boston is greatly overstepping his duty as mayor.
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Asking Americans to be activists by going out and eating fast food....I can't think of a way to make it easier.
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Here in Atlanta the wait was an hour for any Chick fil a cool to see so much support for something like this.
Also @Papulatus I don't understand these protests Chick Fil a has never said anything against gays other than they are against marrage and gays are always allowed at a Chickfila what will this say exactly? This type of protest only hurts Franchises who are trying to make a living and pissing off owners you are hurting them personally and making yourself look stupid. Why not just hold signs like gays' against chickfila and just say please don't purchase from here seems like the Gay community is becoming PETA.
On August 02 2012 06:21 Chewbacca. wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2012 05:52 Papulatus wrote:On August 02 2012 04:38 Joedaddy wrote:
My family and I went to our local Chik-fil-A today. It was crazy how many people came out to show their support. They filled up 2 different parking lots and had a line that stretched out of the door and 1/2 way around the building. The drive through was a grid locked traffic jam lol. Everyone was really up beat and polite despite having to stand outside in the 100 degree heat waiting on their turn to give their money to Chik-fil-A. And this was just between 11:30 and 12:00. I'd love to know just how long it stayed that busy.
Most everybody was well wishing the workers and each other while we waited. A truly inspiring experience, and I'm very glad we made the trip out to show our support. Sad to hear reports like this and shows how far this nation has to go before we have equal rights for all. :/ Just because the owner of a company may not share the same opinion as you doesn't mean that the entire company is some evil thing that should be ruined. I'd wager the vast majority of the people at Chik-fil-A were there not because they necessarily agree with the owners opinion, but because they agree that the mayor of boston is greatly overstepping his duty as mayor.
Ya I work right next to a Chickfila and all the people I asked about it said they are just pissed that the government offical isn't minding his business it isn't his place to do what he is doing and he is hurting freedom of speech.
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On August 02 2012 06:21 Chewbacca. wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2012 05:52 Papulatus wrote:On August 02 2012 04:38 Joedaddy wrote:
My family and I went to our local Chik-fil-A today. It was crazy how many people came out to show their support. They filled up 2 different parking lots and had a line that stretched out of the door and 1/2 way around the building. The drive through was a grid locked traffic jam lol. Everyone was really up beat and polite despite having to stand outside in the 100 degree heat waiting on their turn to give their money to Chik-fil-A. And this was just between 11:30 and 12:00. I'd love to know just how long it stayed that busy.
Most everybody was well wishing the workers and each other while we waited. A truly inspiring experience, and I'm very glad we made the trip out to show our support. Sad to hear reports like this and shows how far this nation has to go before we have equal rights for all. :/ Just because the owner of a company may not share the same opinion as you doesn't mean that the entire company is some evil thing that should be ruined. I'd wager the vast majority of the people at Chik-fil-A were there not because they necessarily agree with the owners opinion, but because they agree that the mayor of boston is greatly overstepping his duty as mayor.
Except the mayor didn't abuse jack shit. He just voiced his opinion in a letter as far as I know.
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