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On July 26 2012 08:41 BlazeFury01 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2012 08:38 Elsid wrote:On July 26 2012 08:35 Qwyn wrote:On July 26 2012 06:05 Praetorial wrote:On July 26 2012 05:58 unichan wrote:
looks like a good reason never to go to boston No, Boston's actually a really nice place. We have good schools too I hear. On July 26 2012 05:58 R3DT1D3 wrote:
For people who are in favor of this just because they agree with the position, what happens when another town does the same thing to say Starbucks for giving money to pro-gay marriage organizations?
Do we really want politics deciding business decisions as well. Condemn them? Politics have influenced business decisions forever. On July 26 2012 05:57 Zaqwert wrote:
I wonder how everyone would feel if the mayor of Birmingham, AL said he was going to use zoning laws to force out all the Muslim and Jewish owned business.
Would you be cheering that?
Probably not.
You shouldn't base what should and shouldn't be allowed in society based on your own personal beliefs and agenda.
Clearly mayors should not have the power to ban legit businesses from their city just 'cuz they disagree with their beliefs.
50 years ago the talk would have been to drive the gays out and that would have been wrong too.
This thought police crap has to end. Let people live their own lives. If you don't wanna give Chic Fil A your business because you disagree with their policies, then don't. It's not the governments job to sanction what is acceptable beliefs. Well, gay marriage isn't inherently a religious position. So, yes, I'd be unhappy with Muslims or Jews being banned. But I'm perfectly happy with someone advocating for a hateful agenda(admittedly for religious purposes) be banned. On July 26 2012 05:57 whatevername wrote:
Self evidently it is not baller for the Government to openly [or discreetly] favour one business over another for whatever reason. This is an abuse of power, and for that matter its basically an attempt by local Government to bully businesses politically. Anyone who supports this is basically a fascist. Maybe. In Boston, though, Menino and his predecessors have been known for loving Boston and doing anything in their power to make a nicer place, including using their positions to push over people they don't like. It's made us one of the most educated and tolerant hubs of the world. Gay marriage stands in direct defiance of the principles of marriage. This is the thing that bugs the fuck out of me. Marriage is a religious institution. It is defined specifically within religious texts. It is promoted by them. Cultures adopted the practice of marriage because of them. They are the roots of marriage. By promoting "gay" marriage, you are actually standing in defiance of EVERYTHING that marriage stands for. It's hypocrisy. I have no problem with gays recieving benefits under "domestic partnerships" or some shit like that, but gays getting married is just wrong. I guess for me it's just an issue of semantics, although - actually - it is more than that. How many times must this point be labored. Religion does not have a monopoly on marriage. So no gay marriage is as normal as straight marriage. lol show me some facts that it doesn't.
1) Marriage was invented to transfer property and cement alliances.
2) Atheists can get married.
3) Marriage is a legal contract that religious organizations have no say in.
4) Many religions have no issue with gay marriage.
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On July 26 2012 08:41 BlazeFury01 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2012 08:38 Elsid wrote:On July 26 2012 08:35 Qwyn wrote:On July 26 2012 06:05 Praetorial wrote:On July 26 2012 05:58 unichan wrote:
looks like a good reason never to go to boston No, Boston's actually a really nice place. We have good schools too I hear. On July 26 2012 05:58 R3DT1D3 wrote:
For people who are in favor of this just because they agree with the position, what happens when another town does the same thing to say Starbucks for giving money to pro-gay marriage organizations?
Do we really want politics deciding business decisions as well. Condemn them? Politics have influenced business decisions forever. On July 26 2012 05:57 Zaqwert wrote:
I wonder how everyone would feel if the mayor of Birmingham, AL said he was going to use zoning laws to force out all the Muslim and Jewish owned business.
Would you be cheering that?
Probably not.
You shouldn't base what should and shouldn't be allowed in society based on your own personal beliefs and agenda.
Clearly mayors should not have the power to ban legit businesses from their city just 'cuz they disagree with their beliefs.
50 years ago the talk would have been to drive the gays out and that would have been wrong too.
This thought police crap has to end. Let people live their own lives. If you don't wanna give Chic Fil A your business because you disagree with their policies, then don't. It's not the governments job to sanction what is acceptable beliefs. Well, gay marriage isn't inherently a religious position. So, yes, I'd be unhappy with Muslims or Jews being banned. But I'm perfectly happy with someone advocating for a hateful agenda(admittedly for religious purposes) be banned. On July 26 2012 05:57 whatevername wrote:
Self evidently it is not baller for the Government to openly [or discreetly] favour one business over another for whatever reason. This is an abuse of power, and for that matter its basically an attempt by local Government to bully businesses politically. Anyone who supports this is basically a fascist. Maybe. In Boston, though, Menino and his predecessors have been known for loving Boston and doing anything in their power to make a nicer place, including using their positions to push over people they don't like. It's made us one of the most educated and tolerant hubs of the world. Gay marriage stands in direct defiance of the principles of marriage. This is the thing that bugs the fuck out of me. Marriage is a religious institution. It is defined specifically within religious texts. It is promoted by them. Cultures adopted the practice of marriage because of them. They are the roots of marriage. By promoting "gay" marriage, you are actually standing in defiance of EVERYTHING that marriage stands for. It's hypocrisy. I have no problem with gays recieving benefits under "domestic partnerships" or some shit like that, but gays getting married is just wrong. I guess for me it's just an issue of semantics, although - actually - it is more than that. How many times must this point be labored. Religion does not have a monopoly on marriage. So no gay marriage is as normal as straight marriage. lol show me some facts that it doesn't.
It predates Christianity?
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Seems legit. City is pro gay marriage, so gets rid of companies that are anti gay marriage. Hopefully in my city we can ban any restaurant that is pro gay marriage and given money to gay rights groups cause my city is generally anti gay. Now we have what the mayor of boston is doing to rationalize our agenda. Awesome! :D
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On July 26 2012 08:43 BlazeFury01 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2012 08:42 sAsImre wrote:On July 26 2012 08:41 BlazeFury01 wrote:On July 26 2012 08:38 Elsid wrote:On July 26 2012 08:35 Qwyn wrote:On July 26 2012 06:05 Praetorial wrote:On July 26 2012 05:58 unichan wrote:
looks like a good reason never to go to boston No, Boston's actually a really nice place. We have good schools too I hear. On July 26 2012 05:58 R3DT1D3 wrote:
For people who are in favor of this just because they agree with the position, what happens when another town does the same thing to say Starbucks for giving money to pro-gay marriage organizations?
Do we really want politics deciding business decisions as well. Condemn them? Politics have influenced business decisions forever. On July 26 2012 05:57 Zaqwert wrote:
I wonder how everyone would feel if the mayor of Birmingham, AL said he was going to use zoning laws to force out all the Muslim and Jewish owned business.
Would you be cheering that?
Probably not.
You shouldn't base what should and shouldn't be allowed in society based on your own personal beliefs and agenda.
Clearly mayors should not have the power to ban legit businesses from their city just 'cuz they disagree with their beliefs.
50 years ago the talk would have been to drive the gays out and that would have been wrong too.
This thought police crap has to end. Let people live their own lives. If you don't wanna give Chic Fil A your business because you disagree with their policies, then don't. It's not the governments job to sanction what is acceptable beliefs. Well, gay marriage isn't inherently a religious position. So, yes, I'd be unhappy with Muslims or Jews being banned. But I'm perfectly happy with someone advocating for a hateful agenda(admittedly for religious purposes) be banned. On July 26 2012 05:57 whatevername wrote:
Self evidently it is not baller for the Government to openly [or discreetly] favour one business over another for whatever reason. This is an abuse of power, and for that matter its basically an attempt by local Government to bully businesses politically. Anyone who supports this is basically a fascist. Maybe. In Boston, though, Menino and his predecessors have been known for loving Boston and doing anything in their power to make a nicer place, including using their positions to push over people they don't like. It's made us one of the most educated and tolerant hubs of the world. Gay marriage stands in direct defiance of the principles of marriage. This is the thing that bugs the fuck out of me. Marriage is a religious institution. It is defined specifically within religious texts. It is promoted by them. Cultures adopted the practice of marriage because of them. They are the roots of marriage. By promoting "gay" marriage, you are actually standing in defiance of EVERYTHING that marriage stands for. It's hypocrisy. I have no problem with gays recieving benefits under "domestic partnerships" or some shit like that, but gays getting married is just wrong. I guess for me it's just an issue of semantics, although - actually - it is more than that. How many times must this point be labored. Religion does not have a monopoly on marriage. So no gay marriage is as normal as straight marriage. lol show me some facts that it doesn't. Read what is a marriage nowadays: a legal contract. Read your post.
i forgot we were talking about the traditions of the natives, but since your nation committed a genocide we're forced to talk about how it functions nowadays. And istorically it was a legal matter in Roma and some parts of Classic Greece.
On July 26 2012 08:44 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2012 08:41 BlazeFury01 wrote:On July 26 2012 08:38 Elsid wrote:On July 26 2012 08:35 Qwyn wrote:On July 26 2012 06:05 Praetorial wrote:On July 26 2012 05:58 unichan wrote:
looks like a good reason never to go to boston No, Boston's actually a really nice place. We have good schools too I hear. On July 26 2012 05:58 R3DT1D3 wrote:
For people who are in favor of this just because they agree with the position, what happens when another town does the same thing to say Starbucks for giving money to pro-gay marriage organizations?
Do we really want politics deciding business decisions as well. Condemn them? Politics have influenced business decisions forever. On July 26 2012 05:57 Zaqwert wrote:
I wonder how everyone would feel if the mayor of Birmingham, AL said he was going to use zoning laws to force out all the Muslim and Jewish owned business.
Would you be cheering that?
Probably not.
You shouldn't base what should and shouldn't be allowed in society based on your own personal beliefs and agenda.
Clearly mayors should not have the power to ban legit businesses from their city just 'cuz they disagree with their beliefs.
50 years ago the talk would have been to drive the gays out and that would have been wrong too.
This thought police crap has to end. Let people live their own lives. If you don't wanna give Chic Fil A your business because you disagree with their policies, then don't. It's not the governments job to sanction what is acceptable beliefs. Well, gay marriage isn't inherently a religious position. So, yes, I'd be unhappy with Muslims or Jews being banned. But I'm perfectly happy with someone advocating for a hateful agenda(admittedly for religious purposes) be banned. On July 26 2012 05:57 whatevername wrote:
Self evidently it is not baller for the Government to openly [or discreetly] favour one business over another for whatever reason. This is an abuse of power, and for that matter its basically an attempt by local Government to bully businesses politically. Anyone who supports this is basically a fascist. Maybe. In Boston, though, Menino and his predecessors have been known for loving Boston and doing anything in their power to make a nicer place, including using their positions to push over people they don't like. It's made us one of the most educated and tolerant hubs of the world. Gay marriage stands in direct defiance of the principles of marriage. This is the thing that bugs the fuck out of me. Marriage is a religious institution. It is defined specifically within religious texts. It is promoted by them. Cultures adopted the practice of marriage because of them. They are the roots of marriage. By promoting "gay" marriage, you are actually standing in defiance of EVERYTHING that marriage stands for. It's hypocrisy. I have no problem with gays recieving benefits under "domestic partnerships" or some shit like that, but gays getting married is just wrong. I guess for me it's just an issue of semantics, although - actually - it is more than that. How many times must this point be labored. Religion does not have a monopoly on marriage. So no gay marriage is as normal as straight marriage. lol show me some facts that it doesn't. It predates Christianity?
Nothind predates christianity except the jews, didn't you read the holy and mighty bible ?
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On July 26 2012 08:44 APurpleCow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2012 08:41 BlazeFury01 wrote:On July 26 2012 08:38 Elsid wrote:On July 26 2012 08:35 Qwyn wrote:On July 26 2012 06:05 Praetorial wrote:On July 26 2012 05:58 unichan wrote:
looks like a good reason never to go to boston No, Boston's actually a really nice place. We have good schools too I hear. On July 26 2012 05:58 R3DT1D3 wrote:
For people who are in favor of this just because they agree with the position, what happens when another town does the same thing to say Starbucks for giving money to pro-gay marriage organizations?
Do we really want politics deciding business decisions as well. Condemn them? Politics have influenced business decisions forever. On July 26 2012 05:57 Zaqwert wrote:
I wonder how everyone would feel if the mayor of Birmingham, AL said he was going to use zoning laws to force out all the Muslim and Jewish owned business.
Would you be cheering that?
Probably not.
You shouldn't base what should and shouldn't be allowed in society based on your own personal beliefs and agenda.
Clearly mayors should not have the power to ban legit businesses from their city just 'cuz they disagree with their beliefs.
50 years ago the talk would have been to drive the gays out and that would have been wrong too.
This thought police crap has to end. Let people live their own lives. If you don't wanna give Chic Fil A your business because you disagree with their policies, then don't. It's not the governments job to sanction what is acceptable beliefs. Well, gay marriage isn't inherently a religious position. So, yes, I'd be unhappy with Muslims or Jews being banned. But I'm perfectly happy with someone advocating for a hateful agenda(admittedly for religious purposes) be banned. On July 26 2012 05:57 whatevername wrote:
Self evidently it is not baller for the Government to openly [or discreetly] favour one business over another for whatever reason. This is an abuse of power, and for that matter its basically an attempt by local Government to bully businesses politically. Anyone who supports this is basically a fascist. Maybe. In Boston, though, Menino and his predecessors have been known for loving Boston and doing anything in their power to make a nicer place, including using their positions to push over people they don't like. It's made us one of the most educated and tolerant hubs of the world. Gay marriage stands in direct defiance of the principles of marriage. This is the thing that bugs the fuck out of me. Marriage is a religious institution. It is defined specifically within religious texts. It is promoted by them. Cultures adopted the practice of marriage because of them. They are the roots of marriage. By promoting "gay" marriage, you are actually standing in defiance of EVERYTHING that marriage stands for. It's hypocrisy. I have no problem with gays recieving benefits under "domestic partnerships" or some shit like that, but gays getting married is just wrong. I guess for me it's just an issue of semantics, although - actually - it is more than that. How many times must this point be labored. Religion does not have a monopoly on marriage. So no gay marriage is as normal as straight marriage. lol show me some facts that it doesn't. 1) Marriage was invented to transfer property and cement alliances. 2) Atheists can get married. 3) Marriage is a legal contract that religious organizations have no say in. 4) Many religions have no issue with gay marriage.
What's the point of homosexuals getting married in a church then?
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On July 26 2012 08:32 Zahir wrote:
Ouchy: we will have to agree to disagree. To me, the letter read like "if you try and set up here I will be making life hard on you" and I feel that is legitimate to question his actions and Intentions, given that the only reason he as mayor is trying to intimidate this group, is because of something they believe. What a government official writes in his official capacity matters a lot.
If Chick-Fil-A supported re-segregation would the mayor be allowed to take a stand? It's not really a political argument so much as a civil rights struggle. "Separate but equal" didn't work for race equality, it's not gonna work for marriage equality either. I'm sorry - but it clearly states in our constitution that there shall be a separation between church and state. There is absolutely no constitutionally viable argument for disallowing homosexual marriage. If you don't want to marry someone of the same gender - fine, don't. If you don't want to call their marriage "marriage" - fine, don't (you should be aware, however, that this will certify you as a Grade-A ignominious prick).
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On July 26 2012 08:45 fellcrow wrote:
Seems legit. City is pro gay marriage, so gets rid of companies that are anti gay marriage. Hopefully in my city we can ban any restaurant that is pro gay marriage and given money to gay rights groups cause my city is generally anti gay. Now we have what the mayor of boston is doing to rationalize our agenda. Awesome! :D
Perhaps cities can have a quick multiple choice test on hot topic issues in the future so you can see if you are allowed to stop there and if you need to move on to the next town.
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On July 26 2012 08:46 BlazeFury01 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2012 08:44 APurpleCow wrote:On July 26 2012 08:41 BlazeFury01 wrote:On July 26 2012 08:38 Elsid wrote:On July 26 2012 08:35 Qwyn wrote:On July 26 2012 06:05 Praetorial wrote:On July 26 2012 05:58 unichan wrote:
looks like a good reason never to go to boston No, Boston's actually a really nice place. We have good schools too I hear. On July 26 2012 05:58 R3DT1D3 wrote:
For people who are in favor of this just because they agree with the position, what happens when another town does the same thing to say Starbucks for giving money to pro-gay marriage organizations?
Do we really want politics deciding business decisions as well. Condemn them? Politics have influenced business decisions forever. On July 26 2012 05:57 Zaqwert wrote:
I wonder how everyone would feel if the mayor of Birmingham, AL said he was going to use zoning laws to force out all the Muslim and Jewish owned business.
Would you be cheering that?
Probably not.
You shouldn't base what should and shouldn't be allowed in society based on your own personal beliefs and agenda.
Clearly mayors should not have the power to ban legit businesses from their city just 'cuz they disagree with their beliefs.
50 years ago the talk would have been to drive the gays out and that would have been wrong too.
This thought police crap has to end. Let people live their own lives. If you don't wanna give Chic Fil A your business because you disagree with their policies, then don't. It's not the governments job to sanction what is acceptable beliefs. Well, gay marriage isn't inherently a religious position. So, yes, I'd be unhappy with Muslims or Jews being banned. But I'm perfectly happy with someone advocating for a hateful agenda(admittedly for religious purposes) be banned. On July 26 2012 05:57 whatevername wrote:
Self evidently it is not baller for the Government to openly [or discreetly] favour one business over another for whatever reason. This is an abuse of power, and for that matter its basically an attempt by local Government to bully businesses politically. Anyone who supports this is basically a fascist. Maybe. In Boston, though, Menino and his predecessors have been known for loving Boston and doing anything in their power to make a nicer place, including using their positions to push over people they don't like. It's made us one of the most educated and tolerant hubs of the world. Gay marriage stands in direct defiance of the principles of marriage. This is the thing that bugs the fuck out of me. Marriage is a religious institution. It is defined specifically within religious texts. It is promoted by them. Cultures adopted the practice of marriage because of them. They are the roots of marriage. By promoting "gay" marriage, you are actually standing in defiance of EVERYTHING that marriage stands for. It's hypocrisy. I have no problem with gays recieving benefits under "domestic partnerships" or some shit like that, but gays getting married is just wrong. I guess for me it's just an issue of semantics, although - actually - it is more than that. How many times must this point be labored. Religion does not have a monopoly on marriage. So no gay marriage is as normal as straight marriage. lol show me some facts that it doesn't. 1) Marriage was invented to transfer property and cement alliances. 2) Atheists can get married. 3) Marriage is a legal contract that religious organizations have no say in. 4) Many religions have no issue with gay marriage. What's the point of homosexuals getting married in a church then?
I don't know. How is this relevant?
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On July 26 2012 08:46 BlazeFury01 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2012 08:44 APurpleCow wrote:On July 26 2012 08:41 BlazeFury01 wrote:On July 26 2012 08:38 Elsid wrote:On July 26 2012 08:35 Qwyn wrote:On July 26 2012 06:05 Praetorial wrote:On July 26 2012 05:58 unichan wrote:
looks like a good reason never to go to boston No, Boston's actually a really nice place. We have good schools too I hear. On July 26 2012 05:58 R3DT1D3 wrote:
For people who are in favor of this just because they agree with the position, what happens when another town does the same thing to say Starbucks for giving money to pro-gay marriage organizations?
Do we really want politics deciding business decisions as well. Condemn them? Politics have influenced business decisions forever. On July 26 2012 05:57 Zaqwert wrote:
I wonder how everyone would feel if the mayor of Birmingham, AL said he was going to use zoning laws to force out all the Muslim and Jewish owned business.
Would you be cheering that?
Probably not.
You shouldn't base what should and shouldn't be allowed in society based on your own personal beliefs and agenda.
Clearly mayors should not have the power to ban legit businesses from their city just 'cuz they disagree with their beliefs.
50 years ago the talk would have been to drive the gays out and that would have been wrong too.
This thought police crap has to end. Let people live their own lives. If you don't wanna give Chic Fil A your business because you disagree with their policies, then don't. It's not the governments job to sanction what is acceptable beliefs. Well, gay marriage isn't inherently a religious position. So, yes, I'd be unhappy with Muslims or Jews being banned. But I'm perfectly happy with someone advocating for a hateful agenda(admittedly for religious purposes) be banned. On July 26 2012 05:57 whatevername wrote:
Self evidently it is not baller for the Government to openly [or discreetly] favour one business over another for whatever reason. This is an abuse of power, and for that matter its basically an attempt by local Government to bully businesses politically. Anyone who supports this is basically a fascist. Maybe. In Boston, though, Menino and his predecessors have been known for loving Boston and doing anything in their power to make a nicer place, including using their positions to push over people they don't like. It's made us one of the most educated and tolerant hubs of the world. Gay marriage stands in direct defiance of the principles of marriage. This is the thing that bugs the fuck out of me. Marriage is a religious institution. It is defined specifically within religious texts. It is promoted by them. Cultures adopted the practice of marriage because of them. They are the roots of marriage. By promoting "gay" marriage, you are actually standing in defiance of EVERYTHING that marriage stands for. It's hypocrisy. I have no problem with gays recieving benefits under "domestic partnerships" or some shit like that, but gays getting married is just wrong. I guess for me it's just an issue of semantics, although - actually - it is more than that. How many times must this point be labored. Religion does not have a monopoly on marriage. So no gay marriage is as normal as straight marriage. lol show me some facts that it doesn't. 1) Marriage was invented to transfer property and cement alliances. 2) Atheists can get married. 3) Marriage is a legal contract that religious organizations have no say in. 4) Many religions have no issue with gay marriage. What's the point of homosexuals getting married in a church then?
retards everywhere
User was warned for this post
this was directed to the gays who want to be married in a church while christianity doesn't endorse gay marriage T.T
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On July 26 2012 08:44 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2012 08:41 BlazeFury01 wrote:On July 26 2012 08:38 Elsid wrote:On July 26 2012 08:35 Qwyn wrote:On July 26 2012 06:05 Praetorial wrote:On July 26 2012 05:58 unichan wrote:
looks like a good reason never to go to boston No, Boston's actually a really nice place. We have good schools too I hear. On July 26 2012 05:58 R3DT1D3 wrote:
For people who are in favor of this just because they agree with the position, what happens when another town does the same thing to say Starbucks for giving money to pro-gay marriage organizations?
Do we really want politics deciding business decisions as well. Condemn them? Politics have influenced business decisions forever. On July 26 2012 05:57 Zaqwert wrote:
I wonder how everyone would feel if the mayor of Birmingham, AL said he was going to use zoning laws to force out all the Muslim and Jewish owned business.
Would you be cheering that?
Probably not.
You shouldn't base what should and shouldn't be allowed in society based on your own personal beliefs and agenda.
Clearly mayors should not have the power to ban legit businesses from their city just 'cuz they disagree with their beliefs.
50 years ago the talk would have been to drive the gays out and that would have been wrong too.
This thought police crap has to end. Let people live their own lives. If you don't wanna give Chic Fil A your business because you disagree with their policies, then don't. It's not the governments job to sanction what is acceptable beliefs. Well, gay marriage isn't inherently a religious position. So, yes, I'd be unhappy with Muslims or Jews being banned. But I'm perfectly happy with someone advocating for a hateful agenda(admittedly for religious purposes) be banned. On July 26 2012 05:57 whatevername wrote:
Self evidently it is not baller for the Government to openly [or discreetly] favour one business over another for whatever reason. This is an abuse of power, and for that matter its basically an attempt by local Government to bully businesses politically. Anyone who supports this is basically a fascist. Maybe. In Boston, though, Menino and his predecessors have been known for loving Boston and doing anything in their power to make a nicer place, including using their positions to push over people they don't like. It's made us one of the most educated and tolerant hubs of the world. Gay marriage stands in direct defiance of the principles of marriage. This is the thing that bugs the fuck out of me. Marriage is a religious institution. It is defined specifically within religious texts. It is promoted by them. Cultures adopted the practice of marriage because of them. They are the roots of marriage. By promoting "gay" marriage, you are actually standing in defiance of EVERYTHING that marriage stands for. It's hypocrisy. I have no problem with gays recieving benefits under "domestic partnerships" or some shit like that, but gays getting married is just wrong. I guess for me it's just an issue of semantics, although - actually - it is more than that. How many times must this point be labored. Religion does not have a monopoly on marriage. So no gay marriage is as normal as straight marriage. lol show me some facts that it doesn't. It predates Christianity?
Realistically, we do not know that because of how far back the history is.
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On July 26 2012 08:48 BlazeFury01 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2012 08:44 KwarK wrote:On July 26 2012 08:41 BlazeFury01 wrote:On July 26 2012 08:38 Elsid wrote:On July 26 2012 08:35 Qwyn wrote:On July 26 2012 06:05 Praetorial wrote:On July 26 2012 05:58 unichan wrote:
looks like a good reason never to go to boston No, Boston's actually a really nice place. We have good schools too I hear. On July 26 2012 05:58 R3DT1D3 wrote:
For people who are in favor of this just because they agree with the position, what happens when another town does the same thing to say Starbucks for giving money to pro-gay marriage organizations?
Do we really want politics deciding business decisions as well. Condemn them? Politics have influenced business decisions forever. On July 26 2012 05:57 Zaqwert wrote:
I wonder how everyone would feel if the mayor of Birmingham, AL said he was going to use zoning laws to force out all the Muslim and Jewish owned business.
Would you be cheering that?
Probably not.
You shouldn't base what should and shouldn't be allowed in society based on your own personal beliefs and agenda.
Clearly mayors should not have the power to ban legit businesses from their city just 'cuz they disagree with their beliefs.
50 years ago the talk would have been to drive the gays out and that would have been wrong too.
This thought police crap has to end. Let people live their own lives. If you don't wanna give Chic Fil A your business because you disagree with their policies, then don't. It's not the governments job to sanction what is acceptable beliefs. Well, gay marriage isn't inherently a religious position. So, yes, I'd be unhappy with Muslims or Jews being banned. But I'm perfectly happy with someone advocating for a hateful agenda(admittedly for religious purposes) be banned. On July 26 2012 05:57 whatevername wrote:
Self evidently it is not baller for the Government to openly [or discreetly] favour one business over another for whatever reason. This is an abuse of power, and for that matter its basically an attempt by local Government to bully businesses politically. Anyone who supports this is basically a fascist. Maybe. In Boston, though, Menino and his predecessors have been known for loving Boston and doing anything in their power to make a nicer place, including using their positions to push over people they don't like. It's made us one of the most educated and tolerant hubs of the world. Gay marriage stands in direct defiance of the principles of marriage. This is the thing that bugs the fuck out of me. Marriage is a religious institution. It is defined specifically within religious texts. It is promoted by them. Cultures adopted the practice of marriage because of them. They are the roots of marriage. By promoting "gay" marriage, you are actually standing in defiance of EVERYTHING that marriage stands for. It's hypocrisy. I have no problem with gays recieving benefits under "domestic partnerships" or some shit like that, but gays getting married is just wrong. I guess for me it's just an issue of semantics, although - actually - it is more than that. How many times must this point be labored. Religion does not have a monopoly on marriage. So no gay marriage is as normal as straight marriage. lol show me some facts that it doesn't. It predates Christianity? Realistically, we do not know that because of how far back the history is.
LOL. GOLDEN. omg how can you be so ignorant.
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On July 26 2012 06:05 KwarK wrote:
If someone openly politicises their company by taking a corporate stance on issues like this then they invite a broader social referendum on their operation. Whether or not it is the prerogative of the mayor to make that decision is another question but I have no problem with a company going "this is what we stand for" and a city going "we don't want what you stand for". If they stood just for good chicken then they wouldn't be having this problem.
What if the reverse were happening?
If a company supports marriage equality and a city decides they don't approve of said stance, would it be appropriate to ban them?
While I sympathize with the mayor's position, I can't help but feel that this is an overreach of government power and sets a bad precedent that could be utilized in reverse in many conservative areas.
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Personally i think homophobia is stupid, but to each his own. But when it comes right down to it, why the hell does a fast food joint have an opinion on whether or not two guys can get married? It doesnt apply to them, they serve chicken, not weddings.
Like i said, its a matter of opinion, but as a CEO to say that your entire corporation is against gay marriage is just stupid.
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On July 26 2012 08:46 BlazeFury01 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2012 08:44 APurpleCow wrote:On July 26 2012 08:41 BlazeFury01 wrote:On July 26 2012 08:38 Elsid wrote:On July 26 2012 08:35 Qwyn wrote:On July 26 2012 06:05 Praetorial wrote:On July 26 2012 05:58 unichan wrote:
looks like a good reason never to go to boston No, Boston's actually a really nice place. We have good schools too I hear. On July 26 2012 05:58 R3DT1D3 wrote:
For people who are in favor of this just because they agree with the position, what happens when another town does the same thing to say Starbucks for giving money to pro-gay marriage organizations?
Do we really want politics deciding business decisions as well. Condemn them? Politics have influenced business decisions forever. On July 26 2012 05:57 Zaqwert wrote:
I wonder how everyone would feel if the mayor of Birmingham, AL said he was going to use zoning laws to force out all the Muslim and Jewish owned business.
Would you be cheering that?
Probably not.
You shouldn't base what should and shouldn't be allowed in society based on your own personal beliefs and agenda.
Clearly mayors should not have the power to ban legit businesses from their city just 'cuz they disagree with their beliefs.
50 years ago the talk would have been to drive the gays out and that would have been wrong too.
This thought police crap has to end. Let people live their own lives. If you don't wanna give Chic Fil A your business because you disagree with their policies, then don't. It's not the governments job to sanction what is acceptable beliefs. Well, gay marriage isn't inherently a religious position. So, yes, I'd be unhappy with Muslims or Jews being banned. But I'm perfectly happy with someone advocating for a hateful agenda(admittedly for religious purposes) be banned. On July 26 2012 05:57 whatevername wrote:
Self evidently it is not baller for the Government to openly [or discreetly] favour one business over another for whatever reason. This is an abuse of power, and for that matter its basically an attempt by local Government to bully businesses politically. Anyone who supports this is basically a fascist. Maybe. In Boston, though, Menino and his predecessors have been known for loving Boston and doing anything in their power to make a nicer place, including using their positions to push over people they don't like. It's made us one of the most educated and tolerant hubs of the world. Gay marriage stands in direct defiance of the principles of marriage. This is the thing that bugs the fuck out of me. Marriage is a religious institution. It is defined specifically within religious texts. It is promoted by them. Cultures adopted the practice of marriage because of them. They are the roots of marriage. By promoting "gay" marriage, you are actually standing in defiance of EVERYTHING that marriage stands for. It's hypocrisy. I have no problem with gays recieving benefits under "domestic partnerships" or some shit like that, but gays getting married is just wrong. I guess for me it's just an issue of semantics, although - actually - it is more than that. How many times must this point be labored. Religion does not have a monopoly on marriage. So no gay marriage is as normal as straight marriage. lol show me some facts that it doesn't. 1) Marriage was invented to transfer property and cement alliances. 2) Atheists can get married. 3) Marriage is a legal contract that religious organizations have no say in. 4) Many religions have no issue with gay marriage. What's the point of homosexuals getting married in a church then?
It's either that they like the stained glass windows and the cultural legacy and significance of the church or they enjoy the proximity to good honest Christian boys and girls who they can turn gay. Pick whichever you prefer.
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On July 26 2012 08:48 BlazeFury01 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2012 08:44 KwarK wrote:On July 26 2012 08:41 BlazeFury01 wrote:On July 26 2012 08:38 Elsid wrote:On July 26 2012 08:35 Qwyn wrote:On July 26 2012 06:05 Praetorial wrote:On July 26 2012 05:58 unichan wrote:
looks like a good reason never to go to boston No, Boston's actually a really nice place. We have good schools too I hear. On July 26 2012 05:58 R3DT1D3 wrote:
For people who are in favor of this just because they agree with the position, what happens when another town does the same thing to say Starbucks for giving money to pro-gay marriage organizations?
Do we really want politics deciding business decisions as well. Condemn them? Politics have influenced business decisions forever. On July 26 2012 05:57 Zaqwert wrote:
I wonder how everyone would feel if the mayor of Birmingham, AL said he was going to use zoning laws to force out all the Muslim and Jewish owned business.
Would you be cheering that?
Probably not.
You shouldn't base what should and shouldn't be allowed in society based on your own personal beliefs and agenda.
Clearly mayors should not have the power to ban legit businesses from their city just 'cuz they disagree with their beliefs.
50 years ago the talk would have been to drive the gays out and that would have been wrong too.
This thought police crap has to end. Let people live their own lives. If you don't wanna give Chic Fil A your business because you disagree with their policies, then don't. It's not the governments job to sanction what is acceptable beliefs. Well, gay marriage isn't inherently a religious position. So, yes, I'd be unhappy with Muslims or Jews being banned. But I'm perfectly happy with someone advocating for a hateful agenda(admittedly for religious purposes) be banned. On July 26 2012 05:57 whatevername wrote:
Self evidently it is not baller for the Government to openly [or discreetly] favour one business over another for whatever reason. This is an abuse of power, and for that matter its basically an attempt by local Government to bully businesses politically. Anyone who supports this is basically a fascist. Maybe. In Boston, though, Menino and his predecessors have been known for loving Boston and doing anything in their power to make a nicer place, including using their positions to push over people they don't like. It's made us one of the most educated and tolerant hubs of the world. Gay marriage stands in direct defiance of the principles of marriage. This is the thing that bugs the fuck out of me. Marriage is a religious institution. It is defined specifically within religious texts. It is promoted by them. Cultures adopted the practice of marriage because of them. They are the roots of marriage. By promoting "gay" marriage, you are actually standing in defiance of EVERYTHING that marriage stands for. It's hypocrisy. I have no problem with gays recieving benefits under "domestic partnerships" or some shit like that, but gays getting married is just wrong. I guess for me it's just an issue of semantics, although - actually - it is more than that. How many times must this point be labored. Religion does not have a monopoly on marriage. So no gay marriage is as normal as straight marriage. lol show me some facts that it doesn't. It predates Christianity? Realistically, we do not know that because of how far back the history is.
Just because you never learned anything about history doesn't mean that nobody else did. Please don't confuse your ignorance with actual ignorance. We know marriage predates Christianity. Like there are literally tens of thousands of accounts of pre-Christian marriages. There is a vast quantity of preserved material from over two thousand years ago. I mean seriously man. Think about what you're saying. Do you think Joseph and Mary got married in a Christian ceremony?
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On July 26 2012 08:46 Arghmyliver wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2012 08:32 Zahir wrote:
Ouchy: we will have to agree to disagree. To me, the letter read like "if you try and set up here I will be making life hard on you" and I feel that is legitimate to question his actions and Intentions, given that the only reason he as mayor is trying to intimidate this group, is because of something they believe. What a government official writes in his official capacity matters a lot. If Chick-Fil-A supported re-segregation would the mayor be allowed to take a stand? It's not really a political argument so much as a civil rights struggle. "Separate but equal" didn't work for race equality, it's not gonna work for marriage equality either. I'm sorry - but it clearly states in our constitution that there shall be a separation between church and state. There is absolutely no constitutionally viable argument for disallowing homosexual marriage. If you don't want to marry someone of the same gender - fine, don't. If you don't want to call their marriage "marriage" - fine, don't (you should be aware, however, that this will certify you as a Grade-A ignominious prick).
I'm completely in favor of gay marriage. Just happen to think the mayor is overstepping his bounds. He's hired to uphold laws, not threaten companies based on what their ceos believe. Ill freely admit that he has clearly not done anything illegal yet, but If he were to actually ban the company it would be a serious problem. I think you and I may even Agree on that point since you seem confident he would not be successful in attempting to instate such a ban.
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On July 26 2012 08:48 BlazeFury01 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2012 08:44 KwarK wrote:On July 26 2012 08:41 BlazeFury01 wrote:On July 26 2012 08:38 Elsid wrote:On July 26 2012 08:35 Qwyn wrote:On July 26 2012 06:05 Praetorial wrote:On July 26 2012 05:58 unichan wrote:
looks like a good reason never to go to boston No, Boston's actually a really nice place. We have good schools too I hear. On July 26 2012 05:58 R3DT1D3 wrote:
For people who are in favor of this just because they agree with the position, what happens when another town does the same thing to say Starbucks for giving money to pro-gay marriage organizations?
Do we really want politics deciding business decisions as well. Condemn them? Politics have influenced business decisions forever. On July 26 2012 05:57 Zaqwert wrote:
I wonder how everyone would feel if the mayor of Birmingham, AL said he was going to use zoning laws to force out all the Muslim and Jewish owned business.
Would you be cheering that?
Probably not.
You shouldn't base what should and shouldn't be allowed in society based on your own personal beliefs and agenda.
Clearly mayors should not have the power to ban legit businesses from their city just 'cuz they disagree with their beliefs.
50 years ago the talk would have been to drive the gays out and that would have been wrong too.
This thought police crap has to end. Let people live their own lives. If you don't wanna give Chic Fil A your business because you disagree with their policies, then don't. It's not the governments job to sanction what is acceptable beliefs. Well, gay marriage isn't inherently a religious position. So, yes, I'd be unhappy with Muslims or Jews being banned. But I'm perfectly happy with someone advocating for a hateful agenda(admittedly for religious purposes) be banned. On July 26 2012 05:57 whatevername wrote:
Self evidently it is not baller for the Government to openly [or discreetly] favour one business over another for whatever reason. This is an abuse of power, and for that matter its basically an attempt by local Government to bully businesses politically. Anyone who supports this is basically a fascist. Maybe. In Boston, though, Menino and his predecessors have been known for loving Boston and doing anything in their power to make a nicer place, including using their positions to push over people they don't like. It's made us one of the most educated and tolerant hubs of the world. Gay marriage stands in direct defiance of the principles of marriage. This is the thing that bugs the fuck out of me. Marriage is a religious institution. It is defined specifically within religious texts. It is promoted by them. Cultures adopted the practice of marriage because of them. They are the roots of marriage. By promoting "gay" marriage, you are actually standing in defiance of EVERYTHING that marriage stands for. It's hypocrisy. I have no problem with gays recieving benefits under "domestic partnerships" or some shit like that, but gays getting married is just wrong. I guess for me it's just an issue of semantics, although - actually - it is more than that. How many times must this point be labored. Religion does not have a monopoly on marriage. So no gay marriage is as normal as straight marriage. lol show me some facts that it doesn't. It predates Christianity? Realistically, we do not know that because of how far back the history is.
Yeah man - totes. Christianity totes dates way before Judaism or that shit those Sumerians were doing. As we all know, Jesus came down to Africa in a magic spaceship at the dawn of time to instill the values of marriage, not eating pork, and hating the gays.
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On July 26 2012 08:55 Arghmyliver wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2012 08:44 KwarK wrote:On July 26 2012 08:41 BlazeFury01 wrote:On July 26 2012 08:38 Elsid wrote:On July 26 2012 08:35 Qwyn wrote:On July 26 2012 06:05 Praetorial wrote:On July 26 2012 05:58 unichan wrote:
looks like a good reason never to go to boston No, Boston's actually a really nice place. We have good schools too I hear. On July 26 2012 05:58 R3DT1D3 wrote:
For people who are in favor of this just because they agree with the position, what happens when another town does the same thing to say Starbucks for giving money to pro-gay marriage organizations?
Do we really want politics deciding business decisions as well. Condemn them? Politics have influenced business decisions forever. On July 26 2012 05:57 Zaqwert wrote:
I wonder how everyone would feel if the mayor of Birmingham, AL said he was going to use zoning laws to force out all the Muslim and Jewish owned business.
Would you be cheering that?
Probably not.
You shouldn't base what should and shouldn't be allowed in society based on your own personal beliefs and agenda.
Clearly mayors should not have the power to ban legit businesses from their city just 'cuz they disagree with their beliefs.
50 years ago the talk would have been to drive the gays out and that would have been wrong too.
This thought police crap has to end. Let people live their own lives. If you don't wanna give Chic Fil A your business because you disagree with their policies, then don't. It's not the governments job to sanction what is acceptable beliefs. Well, gay marriage isn't inherently a religious position. So, yes, I'd be unhappy with Muslims or Jews being banned. But I'm perfectly happy with someone advocating for a hateful agenda(admittedly for religious purposes) be banned. On July 26 2012 05:57 whatevername wrote:
Self evidently it is not baller for the Government to openly [or discreetly] favour one business over another for whatever reason. This is an abuse of power, and for that matter its basically an attempt by local Government to bully businesses politically. Anyone who supports this is basically a fascist. Maybe. In Boston, though, Menino and his predecessors have been known for loving Boston and doing anything in their power to make a nicer place, including using their positions to push over people they don't like. It's made us one of the most educated and tolerant hubs of the world. Gay marriage stands in direct defiance of the principles of marriage. This is the thing that bugs the fuck out of me. Marriage is a religious institution. It is defined specifically within religious texts. It is promoted by them. Cultures adopted the practice of marriage because of them. They are the roots of marriage. By promoting "gay" marriage, you are actually standing in defiance of EVERYTHING that marriage stands for. It's hypocrisy. I have no problem with gays recieving benefits under "domestic partnerships" or some shit like that, but gays getting married is just wrong. I guess for me it's just an issue of semantics, although - actually - it is more than that. How many times must this point be labored. Religion does not have a monopoly on marriage. So no gay marriage is as normal as straight marriage. lol show me some facts that it doesn't. It predates Christianity? Yeah man - totes. Christianity totes dates way before Judaism or that shit those Sumerians were doing. As we all know, Jesus came down to Africa in a magic spaceship at the dawn of time to instill the values of marriage, not eating pork, and hating the gays.
Jesus is protoss. He has a speed warp prism.
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I could care less about their politcal/social stance but gimee my waffle fries and Honey Butter Chicken Biscuits and I'm happy.
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On July 26 2012 08:55 Arghmyliver wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2012 08:48 BlazeFury01 wrote:On July 26 2012 08:44 KwarK wrote:On July 26 2012 08:41 BlazeFury01 wrote:On July 26 2012 08:38 Elsid wrote:On July 26 2012 08:35 Qwyn wrote:On July 26 2012 06:05 Praetorial wrote:On July 26 2012 05:58 unichan wrote:
looks like a good reason never to go to boston No, Boston's actually a really nice place. We have good schools too I hear. On July 26 2012 05:58 R3DT1D3 wrote:
For people who are in favor of this just because they agree with the position, what happens when another town does the same thing to say Starbucks for giving money to pro-gay marriage organizations?
Do we really want politics deciding business decisions as well. Condemn them? Politics have influenced business decisions forever. On July 26 2012 05:57 Zaqwert wrote:
I wonder how everyone would feel if the mayor of Birmingham, AL said he was going to use zoning laws to force out all the Muslim and Jewish owned business.
Would you be cheering that?
Probably not.
You shouldn't base what should and shouldn't be allowed in society based on your own personal beliefs and agenda.
Clearly mayors should not have the power to ban legit businesses from their city just 'cuz they disagree with their beliefs.
50 years ago the talk would have been to drive the gays out and that would have been wrong too.
This thought police crap has to end. Let people live their own lives. If you don't wanna give Chic Fil A your business because you disagree with their policies, then don't. It's not the governments job to sanction what is acceptable beliefs. Well, gay marriage isn't inherently a religious position. So, yes, I'd be unhappy with Muslims or Jews being banned. But I'm perfectly happy with someone advocating for a hateful agenda(admittedly for religious purposes) be banned. On July 26 2012 05:57 whatevername wrote:
Self evidently it is not baller for the Government to openly [or discreetly] favour one business over another for whatever reason. This is an abuse of power, and for that matter its basically an attempt by local Government to bully businesses politically. Anyone who supports this is basically a fascist. Maybe. In Boston, though, Menino and his predecessors have been known for loving Boston and doing anything in their power to make a nicer place, including using their positions to push over people they don't like. It's made us one of the most educated and tolerant hubs of the world. Gay marriage stands in direct defiance of the principles of marriage. This is the thing that bugs the fuck out of me. Marriage is a religious institution. It is defined specifically within religious texts. It is promoted by them. Cultures adopted the practice of marriage because of them. They are the roots of marriage. By promoting "gay" marriage, you are actually standing in defiance of EVERYTHING that marriage stands for. It's hypocrisy. I have no problem with gays recieving benefits under "domestic partnerships" or some shit like that, but gays getting married is just wrong. I guess for me it's just an issue of semantics, although - actually - it is more than that. How many times must this point be labored. Religion does not have a monopoly on marriage. So no gay marriage is as normal as straight marriage. lol show me some facts that it doesn't. It predates Christianity? Realistically, we do not know that because of how far back the history is. Yeah man - totes. Christianity totes dates way before Judaism or that shit those Sumerians were doing. As we all know, Jesus came down to Africa in a magic spaceship at the dawn of time to instill the values of marriage, not eating pork, and hating the gays.
Realistically we do not know where Africa is because of how far away the geography is.
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