On July 19 2012 23:41 ikh wrote: he's alright but his beats could still use work. i'll probably check it out if i ever run into more of his music and folks are still calling it larger than life.
On July 19 2012 22:57 Equity213 wrote: I love how whenever some rapper avoids criminality in one song, were all supposed to praise what a great message he has. Fuck that shit.
Dont get me wrong, I actually like some rap, but dont pretend its got some deep meaning, its trash.
in a thread full of white & nerdy scandinavian rap elitists saying all the worthy conscious rap was made before their big brothers were born, you actually take the cake in managing to type out the most arrogant, dismissive post. you're really informed and intelligent enough to make claims like that? same can be said for a lot of others, c'mon, this isn't exactly ultra unoriginal */***** material even if you hate it and want to be a dick.
vv yeah, you're, uhh, right. keep on trucking lil' guy. i'm sure you have lots of smart people things to do and indulge in.
Substantiate your claims, our wise Finnish brother. Then again, your obvious nod to racial essentialism when it comes to formulating a critique of black music indicates that you don't even value your own opinion, so why bother.
On July 19 2012 16:35 xodarap wrote: This track is just like every other track dissing the entirety of rap culture over the past twenty years. Nothing new. I was expecting an actual message similar to ATCQ or De La Soul.
I'm sorry? Telling the mass of retards to smarten the fuck up and contribute to society is a pretty good message to me.
Uhhh coz he's right........ Not a new message really, flow from the 90's (he is from tech9 afterall) beats are pretty lame. Meh.......
On July 19 2012 23:41 ikh wrote: he's alright but his beats could still use work. i'll probably check it out if i ever run into more of his music and folks are still calling it larger than life.
On July 19 2012 22:57 Equity213 wrote: I love how whenever some rapper avoids criminality in one song, were all supposed to praise what a great message he has. Fuck that shit.
Dont get me wrong, I actually like some rap, but dont pretend its got some deep meaning, its trash.
in a thread full of white & nerdy scandinavian rap elitists saying all the worthy conscious rap was made before their big brothers were born, you actually take the cake in managing to type out the most arrogant, dismissive post. you're really informed and intelligent enough to make claims like that? same can be said for a lot of others, c'mon, this isn't exactly ultra unoriginal */***** material even if you hate it and want to be a dick.
vv yeah, you're, uhh, right. keep on trucking lil' guy. i'm sure you have lots of smart people things to do and indulge in.
Substantiate your claims, our wise Finnish brother. Then again, your obvious nod to racial essentialism when it comes to formulating a critique of black music indicates that you don't even value your own opinion, so why bother.
what claim(s)? the subjective claim of equity's ignorant arrogance? that's not really a point one can debate. my opinions? i very much value my opinion ("i think the song is alright, beats could use work") but if i were to analyse complicated sociological issues expressed through rap music, i sure as hell would need a very deep basis of information, time and effort (both on the world around me and even moreso about the music) to be able to make a comment worth saying. few people here have put in more than time. i'll avoid that can of worms. should i, then, substantiate the point in saying the song isn't 100% been-done horseshit? if i should, i point you to it being highly unlikely due to the very high amount of people finding both enjoyment and, at least to them, depth in it. what should i substantiate?
vv no, you were not. you were asking me to substantiate my claims, whatever that meant, and then being dismissive towards me by trying to turn my post against me, using words perhaps a bit too big for yourself. stop backpedaling.
On July 19 2012 23:41 ikh wrote: he's alright but his beats could still use work. i'll probably check it out if i ever run into more of his music and folks are still calling it larger than life.
On July 19 2012 22:57 Equity213 wrote: I love how whenever some rapper avoids criminality in one song, were all supposed to praise what a great message he has. Fuck that shit.
Dont get me wrong, I actually like some rap, but dont pretend its got some deep meaning, its trash.
in a thread full of white & nerdy scandinavian rap elitists saying all the worthy conscious rap was made before their big brothers were born, you actually take the cake in managing to type out the most arrogant, dismissive post. you're really informed and intelligent enough to make claims like that? same can be said for a lot of others, c'mon, this isn't exactly ultra unoriginal */***** material even if you hate it and want to be a dick.
vv yeah, you're, uhh, right. keep on trucking lil' guy. i'm sure you have lots of smart people things to do and indulge in.
Substantiate your claims, our wise Finnish brother. Then again, your obvious nod to racial essentialism when it comes to formulating a critique of black music indicates that you don't even value your own opinion, so why bother.
what claim(s)? the subjective claim of equity's ignorant arrogance? that's not really a point one can debate. my opinions? i very much value my opinion ("i think the song is alright, beats could use work") but if i were to analyse complicated sociological issues expressed through rap music, i sure as hell would need a very deep basis of information, time and effort (both on the world around me and even moreso about the music) to be able to make a comment worth saying. few people here have put in more than time. i'll avoid that can of worms. should i, then, substantiate the point in saying the song isn't 100% been-done horseshit? if i should, i point you to it being highly unlikely due to the very high amount of people finding both enjoyment and, at least to them, depth in it. what should i substantiate?
I was merely pointing out the uselessness in labeling those critical of this artists originality using racial and social terminology, it only makes you look spiteful and potentially very prejudiced, some of which are complaints you levied against the previous poster.
This guy is not a member of Tech N9ne's label, nor does he count as an official member of "Strange Music". He self produces his music, being in a Tech N9ne music video does not make you a member of Strange Music. That is all.
Highly unimpressed. I like rap with a good message, but this guy true calling is a preacher. There's beauty in subtlety, this is basically positive-shock rap: the anti-tylerthacreater.
I feel like this is rap music for people who don't like gangsta culture and don't know rap music beyond the mainstream 'gangsta' stuff. Anyone who knows rap/hip-hop music more intimately should know about the hundreds of other insightful, intelligent and great rappers that don't succumb to gangsta cliches.
Hopefully, perhaps this rap serves as a gateway artist to other hip-hop artists that are (imo) higher quality but still expose positive messages, such as K-os:
On July 19 2012 23:10 AnYvia wrote: This just proves to how our generation is 95% sheep following the fucking mainstream. This guy is not original and is too simple compared to people like Pac and Nas who have said the same shit 20 years ago and have done it even better but still people jump on his dick like he is the first rapper to try and change people's minds. When you tell stupid kids who listen to Wayne to try to listen to old school rap and see how meaningful it is they just blush you off and call it whack and boring. Then 1 year later this dumb ass who has a different money plan compared to other rappers in our time comes up as the next hot shit and people say you should listen to him because he actually has a message. Fuck that.
I'm really not a fan of the genre, but can appreciate the loud quiet loud pattern, and appreciate the non-over-bearing instruments. I'm not sure how 'new' the 'new' message is. I like it as a message, but it seems like the counter-counter-culture thing has been done to some degree by several people before.
Hah. This thread is basically, people who think rap was invented by 50 Cent and Lil Wayne vs. people who don't.
Yeah it's a shallow song, but at the very least it might show some people that mainstream rap is only a small, shitty subset of the genre as a whole. If they have to listen to Hopsin to discover artists like Pharcyde and De La Soul, then I'm grateful to Hopsin, because he's introducing people to an excellent but widely misunderstood genre that they might not have paid attention to otherwise.
On July 19 2012 15:49 xodarap wrote: I'm over shock value rap. Also, this guy brags about being a high school drop out. He's nice for what he does, but it's just not my cup of tea anymore.
you didn't listen to the track did you?
Also he doesn't quite brag about it if you get the full message. He dropped out to sign with Ruthless and then was put on the shelf for years and years. After he got pissed off about it all he calmed down and uses it as braggadocio.
On July 20 2012 00:33 Soulstice wrote: This guy's alright, but ill stick to my other 50+ hiphop artists with a better message, flow, and rhymes.
How can you name 50+ rappers with a better flow let alone rhymes?
The message is a moot point. The reason what he's saying is so awesome is it's essentially Eminem in the Shady Era saying it, most people don't know this side of Hopsin.
How can you name 50+ rappers with a better flow let alone rhymes?
Some people listen to a lot of hip hop? He raps in a pretty simplistic style: 4x4 with a less than impressive vocab. He has good vocal dynamics but that's about it.
The reason what he's saying is so awesome is it's essentially Eminem in the Shady Era saying it
The reason it's awesome is because someone else did it (better) before him?
I've been listening to him since my friends showed me Sag My Pants a while back. It's rare to find entertaining rap that ALSO has a legitimate message (Though, he's obviously not the only one). Nas just came out with a new album, so ofcourse Hopsin isn't the ONLY good rapper, and is not the second coming of Hip Hop Christ. But, I believe that we all can agree, he is not bad. Not the best, but definitely worth listening to just as much as anyone else.
How can you name 50+ rappers with a better flow let alone rhymes?
Some people listen to a lot of hip hop? He raps in a pretty simplistic style: 4x4 with a less than impressive vocab. He has good vocal dynamics but that's about it.
The reason what he's saying is so awesome is it's essentially Eminem in the Shady Era saying it
The reason it's awesome is because someone else did it (better) before him?
yet you can list no one. Also what is a 4x4? That doesn't make sense to me, what I hear is a constant changing of flow and delivery that sounds much different than anything that could be considered "simplistic."
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