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Iteachextra
46 Posts
Soucrce: http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/girl-youngest-national-spelling-bee-16443815#.T8V-d1Kncdl I find it impressive that homeschooling can be a highly effective means of education if implemented properly. Do you think she has any shot of winning? | ||
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Klyberess
Sweden345 Posts
On the other hand, American homeschooling mostly seems to be an excuse to indoctrinate children. Surely there's a middle ground somewhere, though! I also find it humorous that you misspelled "qualifies" in the title  As for her winning, hardly, but that's not really important in comparison, is it? (Also, what's "vaquero"?) | ||
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Tabbris
Bangladesh2839 Posts
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Anxiety
United States650 Posts
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TheRPGAddict
United States1403 Posts
On May 30 2012 14:13 Klyberess wrote: Idk about that. They said her mom was a professor ( aka someone highly educated, I assume she has a doctorate ). That isn't your average homeschooling mom. That's quite impressive indeed, and definitely something that speaks for homeschooling. She's obviously talented as well, but it seems strange to require children such as her to go through school like everyone else, with no consideration for her talent. I guess she's lucky not to be a Swede, as I don't believe we allow homeschooling at all (I could be wrong). On the other hand, American homeschooling mostly seems to be an excuse to indoctrinate children. Surely there's a middle ground somewhere, though! I also find it humorous that you misspelled "qualifies" in the title As for her winning, hardly, but that's not really important in comparison, is it? (Also, what's "vaquero"?) | ||
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McFeser
United States2458 Posts
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Spiffeh
United States830 Posts
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manarchist
17 Posts
She is gonna have such a tough time dating. Boys are going to bore her to death! I cannot think of a better way to stunt a child’s mental development than subjecting them to a public education system. She is very fortunate to have a mother who cares enough to provide her with the attention she deserves, and has the means to do so. Sadly, homeschooling is used by some individuals to both indoctrinate their children into their way of thinking, and to prevent them from being exposed to counter points of view. That being said, in the US that seems to be the rare exception, and it is foolish to think that government school systems do not indoctrinate children in the exact same manner. (I can’t recall any discussions or lessons on the benefits or arguments for communism, anarchy, or fascism ever taking place in all may thousands of hours in a classroom, in spite of the fact that there are libraries worth of works written by undeniably great minds dedicated to each.) I am not sure about Sweden, but I do believe it is outlawed in Germany. I think for fear that parents will try to regress their children to ideas that were popular 70 years ago. | ||
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Aphasie
Norway474 Posts
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OptimusYale
Korea (South)1005 Posts
I'm pretty sure there was a girl who was home-schooled in England and was the youngest child to enter Cambridge or oxford at the time....is now working as a stripper as she hates education and using her mind because she was forced to do it all day every day. School isn't just about the grades, it's a social experience....there should be ways to fast track kids or at least get them into schools with similar highly bright students | ||
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Klyberess
Sweden345 Posts
On May 30 2012 14:23 TheRPGAddict wrote: Idk about that. They said her mom was a professor ( aka someone highly educated, I assume she has a doctorate ). That isn't your average homeschooling mom. I agree, but you can hardly allow homeschooling exclusively for professors, nor can you assume professors won't indoctrinate their children. It seems to have worked fine in this particular case, though. On May 30 2012 14:48 OptimusYale wrote: Well I don't agree with homeschooling in the slightest, and to be honest I don't care how smart it makes the kids eventually they'll rebel/want to socialise and its over. I'm pretty sure there was a girl who was home-schooled in England and was the youngest child to enter Cambridge or oxford at the time....is now working as a stripper as she hates education and using her mind because she was forced to do it all day every day. School isn't just about the grades, it's a social experience....there should be ways to fast track kids or at least get them into schools with similar highly bright students I'm not convinced specific schools for bright students is any better of an idea. Seems to breed elitism if nothing else. I don't think you can assume that homeschooling necessarily means no socialisation and being forced to study all day every day, either. | ||
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itkovian
United States1763 Posts
Edit: Ahaha, just noticed. She's wearing a black and yellow striped shirt in the video display picture. How subtly awesome! | ||
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manarchist
17 Posts
On May 30 2012 15:01 itkovian wrote: Yeesh thats young, she's got an illustrious spelling bee career ahead of her rofl. I wonder what affect this will have throughout her life. Will she always be the "spelling-bee" kid as she grows up? That seems like it would be a hard image to shrug off. Edit: Ahaha, just noticed. She's wearing a black and yellow striped shirt in the video display picture. How subtly awesome! I suspect she’ll be known throughout her life for the many different hats she’ll wear, be it spelling bee champ, anchor on her medley relay team, mother, or astrobiologist. I don’t know anyone that is identified by what they did before the age of ten. | ||
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friedchicken
United States143 Posts
On May 30 2012 10:59 Iteachextra wrote: I find it impressive that homeschooling can be a highly effective means of education if implemented properly. I might argue that homeschooling is one of the best forms of education. That said most people just choose to homeschool because they don't want their children taught evolution. EDIT: This is pretty cool and I hope she gets far!! <3 | ||
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MonkSEA
Australia1227 Posts
On May 30 2012 15:12 manarchist wrote: I suspect she’ll be known throughout her life for the many different hats she’ll wear, be it spelling bee champ, anchor on her medley relay team, mother, or astrobiologist. I don’t know anyone that is identified by what they did before the age of ten. I know of a few people that were defined since childhood, but they're all psychotic. Nothing positive. This is pretty cool though, just shows that there is hope in this world and not all the kids are rotten. | ||
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MayorITC
Korea (South)798 Posts
On May 30 2012 14:48 OptimusYale wrote: Well I don't agree with homeschooling in the slightest, and to be honest I don't care how smart it makes the kids eventually they'll rebel/want to socialise and its over. What makes you think home-schooled children don't socialize already? It's not like after their lessons they are locked away in their room until Aunt Petunia comes to visit. Every article I've read states that most kids have no problems making the transition to a traditional school. Most of the problems home-schooled children have when transitioning to institutionalized schools are related more to protocol than social issues. As for the rebellion comment, I won't disagree on that. Home-schooled kids rebel. And so does every other kid. It's called being a kid. On May 30 2012 14:48 OptimusYale wrote: I'm pretty sure there was a girl who was home-schooled in England and was the youngest child to enter Cambridge or oxford at the time....is now working as a stripper as she hates education and using her mind because she was forced to do it all day every day. And there are plenty of strippers who never went to school. I don't see what your point is. Going to Cambridge at a young age did not make her become a stripper if that is what you're implying. Edit: I just read up on the "Cambridge child prodigy who became a stripper." You conveniently left out the part about her running away from home because her father was physically abusive and convicted for sexually assaulting two other girls. Yea.... I don't think it was going to Cambridge that turned her into a stripper. You also forgot to mention that being a stripper is not a long-time plan of hers because she's studying to earn a masters degree in Economics at the same time. However, since she cut off all ties with her family, she has no financial support from them to help pay for her living expenses. | ||
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Bashnek
Australia895 Posts
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Gryffindor_us
United States5606 Posts
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tryummm
774 Posts
On May 30 2012 14:48 OptimusYale wrote: Well I don't agree with homeschooling in the slightest, and to be honest I don't care how smart it makes the kids eventually they'll rebel/want to socialise and its over. I'm pretty sure there was a girl who was home-schooled in England and was the youngest child to enter Cambridge or oxford at the time....is now working as a stripper as she hates education and using her mind because she was forced to do it all day every day. School isn't just about the grades, it's a social experience....there should be ways to fast track kids or at least get them into schools with similar highly bright students Have you ever talked to someone who was home schooled? In the USA there are homeschooling programs where you meet up with a study partner(s) and/or go to group meetings where you interact with other children. Moreover, its not only smart children that are home schooled. Every type of student from your slacker to brilliant students are home schooled. At my school I know many intellectually average engineering and mathematics students who were home schooled for 2-3 hours a day reading textbooks and completing various assignments plus they got the entire summer off like other kids. Numerous home schooled children also attend summer camps, boy scouts, etc... A majority of students who are home schooled don't sit inside and grind away all day long...in fact its often less time consuming than public education because of all the wasted time in public schools. Just think about how much time you spent not actually doing anything productive towards learning academic study materials in elementary school through high school. | ||
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Silvertine
United States509 Posts
On May 30 2012 15:12 manarchist wrote: I suspect she’ll be known throughout her life for the many different hats she’ll wear, be it spelling bee champ, anchor on her medley relay team, mother, or astrobiologist. I don’t know anyone that is identified by what they did before the age of ten. Prodigies are constantly identified in that way and it can cause a lot of pain for them. Many become accustomed to the adulation they receive and always being considered so exceptional. Then when they become older no one is that impressed anymore because there are so many other talents of the same age. A prodigy that underachieves and melds into the field is such a common occurrence in classical music and chess that it's almost a cliche. | ||
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Aterons_toss
Romania1275 Posts
- I find it amazing that dropping out of college is a good way to make billions from selling software/hardware - I find it amazing that having bad grades in high school is the best way to find a theory that corrects newtonian physics with a whole new theory Its no THE CAUSE of her being smart, she is obviously smart/gifted... or how the hell you want to call it, but is isn't DUE to home schooling... they simply home schooled her cuz the things she did weren't something kindergartens could support. | ||
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ThatGuyDoMo
Australia516 Posts
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babylon
8765 Posts
On May 30 2012 16:14 Aterons_toss wrote: Saying home schooling is "highly effective" is like saying: - I find it amazing that dropping out of college is a good way to make billions from selling software/hardware - I find it amazing that having bad grades in high school is the best way to find a theory that corrects newtonian physics with a whole new theory Its no THE CAUSE of her being smart, she is obviously smart/gifted... or how the hell you want to call it, but is isn't DUE to home schooling... they simply home schooled her cuz the things she did weren't something kindergartens could support. No, it's not the cause, but it keeps her mind from stagnating as much as it would otherwise in a public school setting imo. It's highly effective in her case, because it helps her develop her mental abilities more than kindergarten would. Yes, a lot of it is her, but a lot of it is also her environment as well. There are tons of young, bright, naturally gifted kids who are held back and eventually just blur into the crowd, because schools simply don't have the resources to handle them properly; in their cases, home schooling is just downright better for them in terms of intellect development. | ||
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StarBrift
Sweden1761 Posts
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Grovbolle
Denmark3805 Posts
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Grovbolle
Denmark3805 Posts
On May 30 2012 16:14 Aterons_toss wrote: Saying home schooling is "highly effective" is like saying: - I find it amazing that dropping out of college is a good way to make billions from selling software/hardware - I find it amazing that having bad grades in high school is the best way to find a theory that corrects newtonian physics with a whole new theory Its no THE CAUSE of her being smart, she is obviously smart/gifted... or how the hell you want to call it, but is isn't DUE to home schooling... they simply home schooled her cuz the things she did weren't something kindergartens could support. Correlation =/= Causality So you are right This reminds me of the statistic showing the correlation between Freeway/Highway death rates and the import of oranges from Mexico to America (I think), which was 95% or something. | ||
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Aerisky
United States12129 Posts
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RockIronrod
Australia1369 Posts
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theBALLS
Singapore2935 Posts
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FallDownMarigold
United States3710 Posts
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51484 Posts
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Newbistic
China2912 Posts
On May 30 2012 17:13 theBALLS wrote: I was once a Speling Bee champion The irony is strong in this one | ||
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manarchist
17 Posts
I have had an aversion to good spelling for sixty years and more, merely for the reason that when I was a boy there was not a thing I could do creditably except spell according to the book. It was a poor and mean distinction and I early learned to disenjoy it. I suppose that this is because the ability to spell correctly is a talent, not an acquirement. There is some dignity about an acquirement, because it is a product of your own labor. It is wages earned, whereas to be able to do a thing merely by the grace of God and not by your own effort transfers the distinction to our heavenly home--where possibly it is a matter of pride and satisfaction but it leaves you naked and bankrupt. ...ours is a mongrel language which started with a child's vocabulary of three hundred words, and now consists of two hundred and twenty-five thousand; the whole lot, with the exception of the original and legitimate three hundred, borrowed, stolen, smouched from every unwatched language under the sun, the spelling of each individual word of the lot locating the source of the theft and preserving the memory of the revered crime. I don't see any use in having a uniform and arbitrary way of spelling words. We might as well make all clothes alike and cook all dishes alike. Sameness is tiresome; variety is pleasing. I have a correspondent whose letters are always a refreshment to me, there is such a breezy unfettered originality about his orthography. He always spells Kow with a large K. Now that is just as good as to spell it with a small one. It is better. It gives the imagination a broader field, a wider scope. It suggests to the mind a grand, vague, impressive new kind of a cow. Why, there isn't a man who doesn't have to throw out about fifteen hundred words a day when he writes his letters because he can't spell them! It's like trying to do a St. Vitus dance with wooden legs. ...simplified spelling is all right, but, like chastity, you can carry it too far. End quotes God, I look forward to having kids so I can read Tom Sawyer to 'em, n-words and all. | ||
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Skilledblob
Germany3392 Posts
I am fairly sure that we have no spellingbee here | ||
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nam nam
Sweden4672 Posts
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Otolia
France5805 Posts
On May 30 2012 10:59 Iteachextra wrote:I find it impressive that homeschooling can be a highly effective means of education if implemented properly. Do you think she has any shot of winning? I learned reading by myself at 3 years old, I spent the next 6 years reading every book I could during classes. Homeschooling has little to do with her results, her brain construction is. Nevertheless homeschooling can be better for gifted children as long as they can have social contact on the side. | ||
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Hertzy
Finland355 Posts
On May 30 2012 14:49 Klyberess wrote: I'm not convinced specific schools for bright students is any better of an idea. Seems to breed elitism if nothing else. I don't think you can assume that homeschooling necessarily means no socialisation and being forced to study all day every day, either. I disagree about special schools for bright students breeding elitism. I base my opinion on my own experiences going to high school in such a school. Sure, everyone was aware that they were brighter than others, but at least none of us were constantly the top of the class in everything without even really trying. In fact, the 'mundane' school system's failure to make me work for those grades left me unprepared for University, and would have left me even worse off if it hadn't been for the 'special' high school. | ||
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Kukaracha
France1954 Posts
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Seiferz
United States640 Posts
On May 30 2012 21:32 Kukaracha wrote: Damn that's impressive. But I've always found spelling bee contests to be an American oddity. It's an intellectual challenge. Spelling is far deeper than memorizing a bunch of words. It may seem odd, but it's actually quite useful. | ||
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Recognizable
Netherlands1552 Posts
Kid is amazing. | ||
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Headless
20 Posts
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Klyberess
Sweden345 Posts
On May 30 2012 21:06 Hertzy wrote: I disagree about special schools for bright students breeding elitism. I base my opinion on my own experiences going to high school in such a school. Sure, everyone was aware that they were brighter than others, but at least none of us were constantly the top of the class in everything without even really trying. In fact, the 'mundane' school system's failure to make me work for those grades left me unprepared for University, and would have left me even worse off if it hadn't been for the 'special' high school. I'm not saying gifted individuals don't benefit from it, I'm sure most do. I still don't think it's a good idea lump all the "gifted" together. Of course, it might well be better than what most public schools offer today, however, I think it would be better if schools were more flexible, appreciating the fact that not every X-year olds are equally good at everything. Of course, it's quite possible to be talented at language but terrible at maths, so you can't just identify the "gifted" and make everything harder for them. In the end, it comes down to schools adapting the education for each student -- which is of course very difficult. Here's where homeschooling is strong. | ||
520
United States2822 Posts
On May 30 2012 19:06 Skilledblob wrote: I never understood the anglo obsession with spelling contests I am fairly sure that we have no spellingbee here I think a lot of it has to do with the breadth of etymology that English vocabulary is capable of. There are loosely-defined rules for spelling things in the English language, but they vary greatly based on the source language that the word is derived from. Being able to spell a wide variety of words means that you're exposed to a wide variety of etymologies and word history. | ||
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Kojak21
Canada1104 Posts
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pileopoop
Canada317 Posts
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Carson
Canada820 Posts
@op: great accomplishment! However, I'm not sure if it has any real world panache. Perhaps if you work as a stenographer? | ||
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Uncultured
United States1340 Posts
"NOBODY MENTIONED but she is from Romania , lives in USA. We have smart people and verry talented children but they can't show this because we are not mexicans to just swimm and get into States or arabians to trade oil in this country, we need a visa and is a long long process and in the end you can be denied just because the embassie officer dont like your face or she/he believe u dont inspire trust " I hope she does become an astro-biologist. But someone should let her know the job is pretty boring these days. | ||
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ddrddrddrddr
1344 Posts
On May 31 2012 13:29 scintilliaSD wrote: I think a lot of it has to do with the breadth of etymology that English vocabulary is capable of. There are loosely-defined rules for spelling things in the English language, but they vary greatly based on the source language that the word is derived from. Being able to spell a wide variety of words means that you're exposed to a wide variety of etymologies and word history. If it's variability you want, they should have one for Chinese traditional form symbols. You don't even have etymology to help you. | ||
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natalia_shimanchuk
Uzbekistan30 Posts
Not only is she great at spelling but she is really mature and intelligent all around, for example she wants to be an astrobiologist so she can go to alien planets and find life...her sense of curiosity about the world and universe is amazing | ||
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hypercube
Hungary2735 Posts
On June 01 2012 03:39 ddrddrddrddr wrote: If it's variability you want, they should have one for Chinese traditional form symbols. You don't even have etymology to help you. But, can you spell them out loud? Calligraphy bee just doesn't have the same ring to it. | ||
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Kyrillion
Russian Federation748 Posts
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Mr Showtime
United States1353 Posts
On May 30 2012 23:00 Headless wrote: People keep saying this really 'speaks for home schooling' - that's BS, it really "speaks for the fact that our public school system is a goddamned joke". This girl having exceptional intelligence for her age speaks for NONE of those things. She's not even old enough to get much exposure to the public school system, and much of her intelligence and intellectual ability is genetic. It isn't all taught. | ||
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nosliw
United States2716 Posts
On May 30 2012 14:44 Aphasie wrote: Hahaha, she wants to be an astrobiologist. She was awesome, looking how advanced some kids are really blows my mind. Astrobiologist is awesome. Not sure if any universities now offer that major.... | ||
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