EPTI can see it now... 10 years after the Venus Project starts...
Mangy woman: "DeliCiousVP there's some lovely filth down here!"
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JonnyBNoHo
United States6277 Posts
I can see it now... 10 years after the Venus Project starts... Mangy woman: "DeliCiousVP there's some lovely filth down here!" | ||
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Focuspants
Canada780 Posts
These people live in a fantasy, and cant be shown how flawed their reasoning is. They are brainwashed into calling us brainwashed. The fact of the matter is, the best course of action is to just ignore their insanity, and continue living a productive life, and allow them to preach to walls and other inanimate objects, so we dont have to waste our precious time trying to help them. | ||
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HellRoxYa
Sweden1614 Posts
On May 30 2012 09:44 DeliCiousVP wrote: Same and diffrent? okay.. what is same? Hmm intressting ill raise you. i would recognize a country that has a desert but not only a desert but a dictator that is generaly disliked. I will start a fear mongering campaign and start lobbying for us to go to war with that country i will make sure i cut my buddies in oil and construction and obviously weapons manufacture. Time to go to war ill be rich on providing air conditioning and only 2 million brown people dead, Now where do i go next... And by eliminating money people will not desire oil, right? There will just be no reason to fight over it! You've solved every conflict ever, congratulations. This is the highest level of toolboxing I've ever seen. | ||
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ey215
United States546 Posts
On May 30 2012 09:44 DeliCiousVP wrote: Same and diffrent? okay.. what is same? Hmm intressting ill raise you. i would recognize a country that has a desert but not only a desert but a dictator that is generaly disliked. I will start a fear mongering campaign and start lobbying for us to go to war with that country i will make sure i cut my buddies in oil and construction and obviously weapons manufacture. Time to go to war ill be rich on providing air conditioning and only 2 million dead people, Now where do i go next... Right, because that's what we did in Brazil, South Africa, Mexico, China, India, Malaysia, Phillipines, Thailand, and Turkey. Except, oh wait it's not. | ||
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DeliCiousVP
Sweden343 Posts
They dont care about facts. They dont care about our inability to build robots to do everything, they dont care about the fact that not everything is able to be done by machines, they dont care there arent enough resources for everyone on earth to live Aye dont care about your opinion thats backed by nothing. Head on the nail buddy. And by eliminating money people will not desire oil, right? There will just be no reason to fight over it! The resources are commen heritage to everyone on the planet nobody can own all the oil. And second of why use oil as soon as we dont have profit margins to fill we start switching to substainable clean energy which we have an abundance for. And according to a clever professor we have alot higher oil reserves that the oil companies are leading us to belive that all depends tho on how fast people will get it. Do your best to be the last one. Right, because that's what we did in Brazil, South Africa, Mexico, China, India, Malaysia, Phillipines, Thailand, and Turkey. Except, oh wait it's not. Dont be such a conspiracy theorist, take a tin foil hat i have plenty apperantly. | ||
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JonnyBNoHo
United States6277 Posts
On May 30 2012 09:44 DeliCiousVP wrote: 1) For what money? 2) Why? They dont have no political power their just a burdon turn a blind eye sch its not real dont look its their fault their lazy. 3)There is an incentive allright TO BURN FOOD TO MAINTAIN MARKET VALUE CALLED ARTIFICIAL SCARCITY. Because dont you know the poor people cant pay half as much for the food as we whites can. 4) Profits? what profits assuming everything you said so far was true they still dont have any profit everyone can grow food and they have no infrastructure. Did you miss the part where they pay 50% of their GDP to the IMF as debt because some dictator wanted an airport? You are becoming noble yes noble but still naive. 1) Can you not read? I said instead of giving food as charity we give money as charity. THAT money. 2) You don't need political power to buy food. Christ, WTF are you rambling about here? 3) This makes no sense. You can't make more money growing food and burning it than growing food and selling it. It is a mathematical impossibility. If you want me to explain to you the how and why of various government subsidies (including crop destruction) I will gladly explain that to you as well as how it is a non-issue as far as hungry Africans go. 4) Who is this *they* you are talking about? Are you claiming that the entire continent of Africa has zero infrastructure, is ruled by dictators (non-issue as RBE cannot remove them) and is drowning in debt? Edit: to be clear, most rich world government subsidies drive down the cost of food. They do not increase the price of food through 'artificial scarcity', as DevliCiousVP is suggesting. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agricultural_subsidy | ||
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JonnyBNoHo
United States6277 Posts
On May 30 2012 10:10 DeliCiousVP wrote: The resources are commen heritage to everyone on the planet nobody can own all the oil. And second of why use oil as soon as we dont have profit margins to fill we start switching to substainable clean energy which we have an abundance for. And according to a clever professor we have alot higher oil reserves that the oil companies are leading us to belive that all depends tho on how fast people will get it. Do your best to be the last one. What do oil reserves have to do with anything? | ||
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KaasZerg
Netherlands927 Posts
Only complaining about the world and the solution is an endless string of buzzwords. | ||
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DeliCiousVP
Sweden343 Posts
3) This makes no sense. You can't make more money growing food and burning it than growing food and selling it. It is a mathematical impossibility. What if you have a good harvest and your neighbours do aswel? that will cause prices to dramaticly inflate as all the peasants try to sell their crops before each other in order to get the best prices. That causes the fat guy in the auction hall to lower prices. way down because remember they have twice as much and fat guy is not capable of moving that amount. 2) No?Who stops people from demanding unreasonable prices? The vultures would be all over their poor aid money. 4) Who is this *they* you are talking about? Are you claiming that the entire continent of Africa has zero infrastructure, is ruled by dictators (non-issue as RBE cannot remove them) and is drowning in debt? Parts of africa and central/south america. You think Canada sells oil at the same price as new guine ? What do oil reserves have to do with anything? The fighting for oil did we ever enter a resource based economy. | ||
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ey215
United States546 Posts
On May 30 2012 10:10 DeliCiousVP wrote: Aye dont care about your opinion thats backed by nothing. Head on the nail buddy. The resources are commen heritage to everyone on the planet nobody can own all the oil. And second of why use oil as soon as we dont have profit margins to fill we start switching to substainable clean energy which we have an abundance for. And according to a clever professor we have alot higher oil reserves that the oil companies are leading us to belive that all depends tho on how fast people will get it. Do your best to be the last one. Dont be such a conspiracy theorist, take a tin foil hat i have plenty apperantly. What the hell are you talking about? You accused us of going to war because of some corporate conspiricy to find cheap labor (or oil I suppose) and I just gave you nine countries in which that wasn't the case. In fact, I gave you nine countries in that capitalism is working and working well to bring the people in those countries out of back breaking poverty. | ||
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darklight54321
United States361 Posts
On May 30 2012 10:12 JonnyBNoHo wrote: What do oil reserves have to do with anything? just one thing in this thread that makes me go wtf was that comment lol. Reserves are good shit. | ||
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DeliCiousVP
Sweden343 Posts
What the hell are you talking about? You accused us of going to war because of some corporate conspiricy to find cheap labor (or oil I suppose) and I just gave you nine countries in which that wasn't the case. In fact, I gave you nine countries in that capitalism is working and working well to bring the people in those countries out of back breaking poverty. Oh by that logic 9 cleared 186 to go. | ||
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JonnyBNoHo
United States6277 Posts
On May 30 2012 10:18 DeliCiousVP wrote: What if you have a good harvest and your neighbours do aswel? that will cause prices to dramaticly inflate as all the peasants try to sell their crops before each other in order to get the best prices. That causes the fat guy in the auction hall to lower prices. way down because remember they have twice as much and fat guy is not capable of moving that amount. You just said the opposite things... "prices will dramatically inflate" and "to lower prices." So are you complaining that prices will rise or that they will fall? I'm not sure what you are saying so it is hard to respond. 2) No?Who stops people from demanding unreasonable prices? The vultures would be all over their poor aid money. If one person is charging too much than another will have a profit incentive to undercut him. It's called competition. As you just said, the 'fat guy' in the auction house will drive down prices as more food becomes available. If the government is too corrupt for that to happen then there is nothing any of us can do about it. A RBE won't help either since the corrupt government won't play along. You can either do the best you can or invade with your military. Parts of africa and central/south america. You think Canada sells oil at the same price as new guine ? If you are talking about specific dictatorships I don't see what a RBE can do to resolve that issue. You can't just ask a crazy country like North Korea to play along and adopt your RBE if they don't want to. If New Guinea exports oil to the world markets, then they will receive the world market price. The fighting for oil did we ever enter a resource based economy. Can someone translate this into English? | ||
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
The only possible countries you can argue about oil are iraq and possibly libya so 2 possible wars over oil in recent history it isn't strong evidence for your claim that you can lobby for war. | ||
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JonnyBNoHo
United States6277 Posts
Are you suggesting that every country has fully embraced free market capitalism and by that logic the simple fact that some are poor proves that free market capitalism doesn't work? Edit: in case that video is too political there are many global measures of freedom, but they are all fairly correlated to each other. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_freedom_indices | ||
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DeliCiousVP
Sweden343 Posts
If thegovernment is too corrupt for that to happen then there is nothing any of us can do about it. A RBE won't help either since the corrupt government won't play along. You can either do the best you can or invade with your military. The westen world is shifting first we have the highest access to informaton the most opportunity as people become more general versed in subjects more educated they start clamouring. This is already happenening world wide in the western world we dont accept going backwards like we used to we dont accept depressions anymore. There will be opposition from the ruling class yes and as minority slowly starts turning into a majority things can go bad depending on what the opposition is. If they killed a few protesters in OWS the whole nation would flare up like kindling. The only way to stop our switch from a monetary system to a RBE is to disable the free forms of communication such as the internet. Heavy legislature or temporary shuting down the internet nationwide for "security" reasons is the most efficient way to do things. If i was a oligarch-banker i would be doing everything in my power to get censor up on the internet ASAP. If you are talking about specific dictatorships I don't see what a RBE can do to resolve that issue. You can't just ask a crazy country like North Korea to play along and adopt your RBE if they don't want to. If New Guinea exports oil to the world markets, then they will receive the world market price. You speak to the people directly ignoring the goverments and you met force with force without public support they are useless. Depends on the conditionality they received on the loan to develop their infrastructure, Hey you got oil but you cant mine it without these and dont even try without this loan. Loan is to big cant repay refinance demand lower oil prices as a condionality that is one of the reason US got among the cheapest oil. Can someone translate this into English? Go back and see what i qouted and why or ignore. Are you suggesting that every country has fully embraced free market capitalism and by that logic the simple fact that some are poor proves that free market capitalism doesn't work? It is already known that it dont work it was recently proven by the lack of legislature that led to the collapse and that the American people had to buy for wall streets fun time. To big to fail ? my ass! Edit: in case that video is too political there are many global measures of freedom, but they are all fairly correlated to each other. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_freedom_indices Thats awesome! I like how all the exploited countries were on one side. Monetary system is a monetary system. and in a monetary system we have winners and loses obesity and starvation. GDP rise while americs health goes down. tells you all you need to know of "wealth" | ||
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Mora
Canada5235 Posts
On May 30 2012 10:40 JonnyBNoHo wrote: Are you suggesting that every country has fully embraced free market capitalism and by that logic the simple fact that some are poor proves that free market capitalism doesn't work? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1U1Jzdghjk Edit: in case that video is too political there are many global measures of freedom, but they are all fairly correlated to each other. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_freedom_indices I don't disagree with your argument, but that video made me puke a little. It's not as simple as +Free Economy = +Standard of Living. Very sensational. | ||
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
On May 30 2012 10:54 DeliCiousVP wrote: It is already known that it dont work it was recently proven by the lack of legislature that led to the collapse and that the American people had to buy for wall streets fun time. To big to fail ? my ass! Thats awesome! I like how all the exploited countries were on one side. Monetary system is a monetary system. and in a monetary system we have winners and loses obesity and starvation. GDP rise while americs health goes down. tells you all you need to know of "wealth" One that doesnt prove anything, two even if it did it would prove debt funded capitalism doesn't work. On your freedom thing the whole point about the exploited countries is they are not free market capitalist countries and therefore poorer. But in general i just think you are insane. | ||
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DeliCiousVP
Sweden343 Posts
One that doesnt prove anything, two even if it did it would prove debt funded capitalism doesn't work. On your freedom thing the whole point about the exploited countries is they are not free market capitalist countries and therefore poorer. But in general i just think you are insane. So were gallelio for saying the world was round, The wright brothers for saying they could fly. The british academy laughed out almost all of their revoultionary thinkers. Ignaz Semmelweis got placed in a mental hospital because he made the connection between handling dead bodies and deliving children causing infant moratlity rates. When you discover im genius remember these arent things i came up with im just repeating what brighter scientist and enginners have discovered. | ||
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HellRoxYa
Sweden1614 Posts
On May 30 2012 10:54 DeliCiousVP wrote: The westen world is shifting first we have the highest access to informaton the most opportunity as people become more general versed in subjects more educated they start clamouring. This is already happenening world wide in the western world we dont accept going backwards like we used to we dont accept depressions anymore. There will be opposition from the ruling class yes and as minority slowly starts turning into a majority things can go bad depending on what the opposition is. If they killed a few protesters in OWS the whole nation would flare up like kindling. The only way to stop our switch from a monetary system to a RBE is to disable the free forms of communication such as the internet. Heavy legislature or temporary shuting down the internet nationwide for "security" reasons is the most efficient way to do things. If i was a oligarch-banker i would be doing everything in my power to get censor up on the internet ASAP. You speak to the people directly ignoring the goverments and you met force with force without public support they are useless. Depends on the conditionality they received on the loan to develop their infrastructure, Hey you got oil but you cant mine it without these and dont even try without this loan. Loan is to big cant repay refinance demand lower oil prices as a condionality that is one of the reason US got among the cheapest oil. Go back and see what i qouted and why or ignore. It is already known that it dont work it was recently proven by the lack of legislature that led to the collapse and that the American people had to buy for wall streets fun time. To big to fail ? my ass! Thats awesome! I like how all the exploited countries were on one side. Monetary system is a monetary system. and in a monetary system we have winners and loses obesity and starvation. GDP rise while americs health goes down. tells you all you need to know of "wealth" So now everyone wants to switch to RBE? And you base this on the fact that people are not willing to give up their current way of life? Guess what the RBE requires? Logic just flies over your head, doesn't it? I can't for the life of me understand how you can claim that this system is perfect, and based on the scientific method, while showing such a complete lack of logical thinking. In case you don't see the problem; The scientific method requiers you to use logic. In any case, please understand that noone's saying capitalism is perfect. They're saying it's proven to work, has worked, and is still working. The problems you've identified, such as depressions, have been big issues since before world war one and there is yet to be a conclusive answer on how best to tackle them. That doesn't mean that there isn't an acceptable way, or that it is not the most optimal system available. Again, logic, not your strong suit, I know. The burden of proof is still on you to prove that your alternative system actually could work. You've addressed none of the flaws pointed out to you, nor provided any scientificly valid model for how it should operate (kind of important if you want to claim to be operating under the scientific method  ). The reality is that what we have now, although not perfect, is better than anything we've had before. Not only that, but what you're advocating is a form of communism, which we've also seen historically takes a very different form when implemented in reality. | ||
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