The Venus Project - Page 12

Anyway the "resource based economy" is out of touch with real human behavior. It is a mildly entertaining academic exploration, but is forever relegated to fiction.

On June 01 2012 02:06 DeliCiousVP wrote:

Now that is a fictional statement. We place people in a harsh environment and expect them to behave and when they don't we lock them up beat them down harden them further.

People come out worse than when they came in, In a RBE we call this structural violence and it comes in the form of prejudice,bigotry and racism and swift collective punishment for acts of survival. People who suffered through this process could rip your head off serie rape your whole family and don't feel a itch of remorse the system made them this way. And you are talking about how a Resource based economy is out touch with human behavior? And this is in the US lets not speak of the poorer parts of the world.

Clueless!

On June 01 2012 01:30 DeliCiousVP wrote:

Don't worry man we will fix you right back up, You will have the best psychologies to help you with your value disorder

And if not you can always pack a bag go into the wild and establish your own little monetary society. I mean kids play kings and swordsmen all the time don't they so who are we to deny you, your little game, just make sure nobody gets hurt.


There is a lot of people that didn't share the idea that "negros" should be free back in the day, Or that lions shouldn't eat Christians in the Colosseum. Values shift.

On June 01 2012 02:06 DeliCiousVP wrote:

Now that is a fictional statement. We place people in a harsh environment and expect them to behave and when they don't we lock them up beat them down harden them further.

People come out worse than when they came in, In a RBE we call this structural violence and it comes in the form of prejudice,bigotry and racism and swift collective punishment for acts of survival. People who suffered through this process could rip your head off serie rape your whole family and don't feel a itch of remorse the system made them this way. And you are talking about how a Resource based economy is out touch with human behavior? And this is in the US lets not speak of the poorer parts of the world.

Clueless!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=so3LACtae80&feature=g-user-u

To me, this shit reads like "You don't agree with me, so I'll send you to a special camp until you do", because that is in essense what you are saying. Indeed, this system is nothing short of a total dictatorship. It doesn't matter if you claim that it (the system) composes "optimal" values, they need to be my values (or there needs to be room for my values) or I will not be satisfied and happy as you claim I will be.

On April 21 2012 04:23 xeo1 wrote:
It occurs to me that the people disagreeing either don't understand "tvp" or are so ingrained into the current system that they can't see past it (as explained in the matrix in the woman in the red dress scene).

I don't see why anyone would object to creating a world free of useless labor, war, and poverty; freedom to pursue the life you wish without a financial barrier; and decisions made based on sound science and logic as opposed to a human's opinion whose influenced mainly by money.

Today most people work in the service sector, almost all of which could be automated. Look around you, almost everything was created by machines. The ones working in the financial service sector don't contribute anything to the world, except for making money with money, hence their wealth.

Comparing this system to a system in the past is absurd. Our technological knowledge wasn't up to the task, but now it is. We can create an abundance of food via hydroponics, aeroponics, and vertical farming. The energy infrastructure can already be changed to incorporate wind, wave, solar, and geothermal sources.

What is the single factor that hinders us from adapting? The profit system.

Do you not feel that something is wrong? Politicians promising things that never get fulfilled. People dying daily to diseases we can prevent and starving even though we have plenty to go around. People like the jersey shore making millions from market value by doing absolutely nothing, while a scientist researching a cure for cancer barely gets by. War on a global scale so someone can reap from defense contracts and stolen resources, sacrificing soldiers and natives in the process. The environment degregading from pollution and extraction all tied to making profit. Going to work to conduct a mundane job to get paid to pay bills for services of rich corporations even though we could be self sustainable. Having chemicals like aspartame, bht, food coloring, hfcs, etc. because they are cheaper. Freedom speakers like JFK, John Lennon, mlk, ghandi, etc. assassinated by the system. People working and commiting suicide in sweat shops for low ages to make iPads for the rich. Important space projects like Orion cancelled.

I am simply saying there is a better way, I know a lot of us already benefit from the current system, but everyone can with a few adjustments, a logical step in our social evolution dictated by technology.

EDIT: mistakes

On June 01 2012 03:18 CrazyF1r3f0x wrote:

Can't believe this went ignored, this guy has a pretty good point.

On April 21 2012 05:06 mcc wrote:

Noone objects to the world with those properties, people object to the method being proposed. Specifically they are saying that the method won't work as intended.


Some of it could be automated, some of it could be automated with extreme investments and some things we are so far from automating that for the purpose of the discussion we can say it cannot be done in any reasonable timeframe.


The burden of proof is on you to show that our current technology is up to the task. And doing so would require much more than just vague mentions of few technologies.

Dude what? Did you just claim that the RBE solves racism?

So... there will be no crime in an RBE society? All crimes in a monetary society are actually acts of survival forced by harsh environmental factors?

What is a value disorder? Is this a commonly accepted diagnosis? What is its characteristics?

Around 90% of all crimes today will disappear because they are a result from our monetary system,

the harsh environment caused by inequality for example that creates the fertilized soil for inappropriate behavior,

I feel however that we will be able to get rid of as much as 99% using superior schools that helps build emotional resilience and understanding.

Naturally offensive values that do not align with the symbiotic and emergent nature of the universe and has reached the point in which you are harming yourself and people/systems around you.

The black market will be destroyed?

How does an RBE provide superior schooling that builds emotional resilience and understanding?

At least i would asume.
There not manny other crimes, only murder,mutilation and rape i can think of wich could have different motives but i doubt they more then 10% of all crimes (not counting traffic offenses)
Other crimes then economic crimes could sky rocket in an rbe btw
Noone knows what bored humans who got everything they want will try to keep themselves entertained.

On June 01 2012 04:47 Rassy wrote:
What is a value disorder?
Wanting to possess privater property? <- probably this.
Overvaluing private property and items, based on the false idea that they are inherently scarce.

I don't get it. If resources aren't scarce,

People always want more. Our current system is designed so that you can get more by being smart and being productive

nothing concrete and nothing substantial with no research behind it.

In the past few years Fresco had some success (people actually have heard of it) with the Venus Project (TVP) because Zeitgeist movies brought it to light and people started donating money. TVP then broke away from Zeitgeist when Fresco decided that they were not raising enough money.

So now, their plan is to do more advertising by making movies, in order to raise more money . They are also raising more money by selling their pictures and ideas to Exemplar Zero. They are raising all this money so that they can get what they want - a test city and a theme park.

On June 01 2012 06:16 DeliCiousVP wrote:


When i met jacque he barely had the cloths on his back he actually had to sell of part of his designs which he have in Venus Florida yes. He spoke with great sadness of how he could barely afford to travel around, He does make enough money to sustain himself today and more.

The outing between Jacques and peter was more due to Roxanne thinking that peter was taking credit for jacque's work, She was wrong she is frail and this is not strange considering that one of the greatest mind that ever lived is 95 years old and soon to leave this world. Today they are on good terms and even had a TED talk they held together.

Peter was also opposed to trying to "raise" money for a Hollywood production movie saying that it was not a reasonable goal for them to put since the money they would have to make were in the tens of millions at least.

On June 01 2012 06:18 1Eris1 wrote:
Don't worry guys, whenever I rape/murder/abuse/arsonize/vandalize/trespass someone or something it's always for monetary reasons. Delicious is totally correct in this regard.

On June 01 2012 06:39 Rassy wrote:
First we will replace the current programming centres called "business schools" and "universities", where people are programmed to work in a capitalistic system and to think its the only system possible.