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HellRoxYa
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden1614 Posts
May 31 2012 22:04 GMT
#241
On June 01 2012 06:39 Rassy wrote:
First we will replace the current programming centres called "business schools" and "universities", where people are programmed to work in a capitalistic system and to think its the only system possible.


Of course it's not the only system possible. It's just the best one.
DeliCiousVP
Profile Joined September 2011
Sweden343 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-31 22:30:21
May 31 2012 22:27 GMT
#242
Don't worry guys, whenever I rape/murder/abuse/arsonize/vandalize/trespass someone or something it's always for monetary reasons. Delicious is totally correct in this regard.

The environment they were raised in. Not monetary reasons all though that obviously exist as well.

My question still stands. If they can make the claim that running an entire economy without money is possible then they should be able to at least be able to gather enough resources, without money, in order to test it.

We are not running a sustainable economy today, in fact we are actually running an anti-economy as to economize is to conserve, But we are living in a cyclical consumption society for "stability"
Don't forget thoughtcrimes! But don't worry, you'll be sent to reprogramming centres so that you see things the "correct" way in no time.

awesome don't we have that already?
But yeah totally. I still remember; some kid at my school tried to start a Marxist club and the capitalist thugs revoked his admittance and burned his parent's house down.

Don't you worry we will fix your homicidal arson tendencies in our new reprogramming center.
Of course it's not the only system possible. It's just the best one.

Exactly obviously we can go back to kings and queens dictators Nazi/communism experiment take two., We have lots of things to chose from so lets see what fits the current technology we have today best!
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JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
May 31 2012 22:35 GMT
#243
On June 01 2012 07:27 DeliCiousVP wrote:
Show nested quote +

My question still stands. If they can make the claim that running an entire economy without money is possible then they should be able to at least be able to gather enough resources, without money, in order to test it.

We are not running a sustainable economy today, in fact we are actually running an anti-economy as to economize is to conserve, But we are living in a cyclical consumption society for "stability"

You still didn't answer the question. If you really believe that RBE works and that money destroys the planet then the last thing that The Venus Project should be doing is use money.
DeliCiousVP
Profile Joined September 2011
Sweden343 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-31 22:46:51
May 31 2012 22:42 GMT
#244
You still didn't answer the question. If you really believe that RBE works and that money destroys the planet then the last thing that The Venus Project should be doing is use money.

You don't have a choice either you whore out or get locked up/out from the resources.
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JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
May 31 2012 22:59 GMT
#245
On June 01 2012 07:42 DeliCiousVP wrote:
Show nested quote +
You still didn't answer the question. If you really believe that RBE works and that money destroys the planet then the last thing that The Venus Project should be doing is use money.

You don't have a choice either you whore out or get locked up/out from the resources.


Can't you just get volunteers and provide a list of resources people can donate? Otherwise it might seem like they found a more convenient way to organize resources.

Ya know... money.

BOOM
DeliCiousVP
Profile Joined September 2011
Sweden343 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-31 23:09:30
May 31 2012 23:05 GMT
#246
Can't you just get volunteers and provide a list of resources people can donate? Otherwise it might seem like they found a more convenient way to organize resources.

I can see that so how many planets do you have to donate?i will settle for one Goldilocks Terra planet.
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JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
May 31 2012 23:07 GMT
#247
On June 01 2012 08:05 DeliCiousVP wrote:
Show nested quote +
Can't you just get volunteers and provide a list of resources people can donate? Otherwise it might seem like they found a more convenient way to organize resources.

I can see that so how many planets do you have to donate?i will settle for one Goldilocks Terra planet.


Why would you need to donate many planets just to make a movie and a theme park? Seems like a big waste of resources...
DeliCiousVP
Profile Joined September 2011
Sweden343 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-31 23:11:12
May 31 2012 23:10 GMT
#248
Why would you need to donate many planets just to make a movie and a theme park? Seems like a big waste of resources...

I cant promise it wont be a theme park or a movie made on the whole planet, why is that a pre-requisite demand you have?
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JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
May 31 2012 23:19 GMT
#249
On June 01 2012 08:10 DeliCiousVP wrote:
Show nested quote +
Why would you need to donate many planets just to make a movie and a theme park? Seems like a big waste of resources...

I cant promise it wont be a theme park or a movie made on the whole planet, why is that a pre-requisite demand you have?

Ok, I think you got lost somewhere in the conversation.

The Venus Project is using money to make a theme park, movie and test city (phase 1, 2 and 3). All this will be used to show that a world without money can exist.

So why don't they just use their RBE techniques to create all that without money?

Central to their claim that RBE works is that people will work without money as an incentive and that resources can be organized without money. And yet after 30+ years of not using money they got nowhere, and so here they are using money to get what they want.
HellRoxYa
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden1614 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-31 23:45:12
May 31 2012 23:44 GMT
#250
On June 01 2012 07:27 DeliCiousVP wrote:
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Don't forget thoughtcrimes! But don't worry, you'll be sent to reprogramming centres so that you see things the "correct" way in no time.

awesome don't we have that already?


No, we don't.

On June 01 2012 07:59 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2012 07:42 DeliCiousVP wrote:
You still didn't answer the question. If you really believe that RBE works and that money destroys the planet then the last thing that The Venus Project should be doing is use money.

You don't have a choice either you whore out or get locked up/out from the resources.


Can't you just get volunteers and provide a list of resources people can donate? Otherwise it might seem like they found a more convenient way to organize resources.

Ya know... money.

BOOM


I fucking love these. Cracks me up every time.
1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
May 31 2012 23:52 GMT
#251
TVP has 10k fans on Facebook or whatever, surely a few of those people believe strongly enough in this movement to devote their time and resources to the effort, instead of just money?

On June 01 2012 07:27 DeliCiousVP wrote:
Show nested quote +
Don't worry guys, whenever I rape/murder/abuse/arsonize/vandalize/trespass someone or something it's always for monetary reasons. Delicious is totally correct in this regard.

The environment they were raised in. Not monetary reasons all though that obviously exist as well.


Plenty of people have been raised in enviourments where they can have literally anything they want and they've still gone on to commit horrendous acts. You think giving everyone stuff will just make them become docile?

On June 01 2012 07:27 DeliCiousVP wrote:

Don't you worry we will fix your homicidal arson tendencies in our new reprogramming center.


Reprogramming? Oh dear. That sounds eerily similar to the Ministry of Love in 1984...
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DeliCiousVP
Profile Joined September 2011
Sweden343 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-01 00:08:00
May 31 2012 23:55 GMT
#252
Ok, I think you got lost somewhere in the conversation.

The Venus Project is using money to make a theme park, movie and test city (phase 1, 2 and 3). All this will be used to show that a world without money can exist.

The duty to change the world don't fall on the shoulder on a 95 year old engineer Einstein talked a lot about these things without going out giving pamphlets, the zeitgeist movement work for change, as does freeworldcharter and there will be more.

so why don't they just use their RBE techniques to create all that without money?"Technologies" and some are but they still need money to access the resources some greedy banker has claimed they own.

Central to their claim that RBE works is that people will work without money as an incentive

It is already proven that they do, especially in jobs that require higher cogitative functions which is what will be needed in the future. And people always have the incentive to follow their interests.

lenty of people have been raised in enviourments where they can have literally anything they want and they've still gone on to commit horrendous acts. You think giving everyone stuff will just make them become docile?

I recognize that human behavior is much more complex than that, And i don't want people to be docile i want them to be empowered,inquisitive and not afraid to be wrong with a highly developed "EQ" Emotional intelligence.

No, we don't.

Apparently you never watched the news went to school or belonged to any form of religious institute.Do you even know how much of you is you?
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JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-01 01:18:37
June 01 2012 00:08 GMT
#253
On June 01 2012 08:55 DeliCiousVP wrote:
Show nested quote +
Ok, I think you got lost somewhere in the conversation.

The Venus Project is using money to make a theme park, movie and test city (phase 1, 2 and 3). All this will be used to show that a world without money can exist.

The duty to change the world don't fall on the shoulder on a 95 year old engineer Einstein talked a lot about these things without going out giving pamphlets, the zeitgeist movement work for change, as does freeworldcharter and there will be more.

so why don't they just use their RBE techniques to create all that without money?"Technologies" and some are but they still need money to access the resources some greedy banker has claimed they own.

Show nested quote +

Central to their claim that RBE works is that people will work without money as an incentive

It is already proven that they do, especially in jobs that require higher cogitative functions which is what will be needed in the future. And people always have the incentive to follow their interests.


Why can't they just ask people with the resources (who aren't bankers BTW) they need to give them up, for free, in exchange for free access to Venus City and all of its abundance? My guess is that the vast majority of people tell them to pay up or screw off.

Edit: I think this sums it up.
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HellRoxYa
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden1614 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-01 00:29:42
June 01 2012 00:28 GMT
#254
On June 01 2012 08:55 DeliCiousVP wrote:
Show nested quote +
No, we don't.

Apparently you never watched the news went to school or belonged to any form of religious institute.Do you even know how much of you is you?


I'm sorry but how ignorant of society are you? What people do on their own is wholly different from state mandated practices such as, you know, the law. So immidiately we can discard the media and religious institutions. Schools? I'm sorry but they don't prosecute you for thoughtcrime (at least they don't do it here in Sweden, I would assume the US would be no different). "But they force you to learn basic knowledge!", no shit, still not about thoughtcrimes.

Edit: To make the distinction clearer for you: You have to learn, you don't have to agree.
DeliCiousVP
Profile Joined September 2011
Sweden343 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-01 01:15:09
June 01 2012 01:14 GMT
#255
'm sorry but how ignorant of society are you? What people do on their own is wholly different from state mandated practices such as, you know, the law. So immidiately we can discard the media and religious institutions. Schools? I'm sorry but they don't prosecute you for thoughtcrime (at least they don't do it here in Sweden, I would assume the US would be no different). "But they force you to learn basic knowledge!", no shit, still not about thoughtcrimes.

Edit: To make the distinction clearer for you: You have to learn, you don't have to agree.


Hehe and this coming from the guy who said he would dominate others just because people are stupid and thats your hobby. man please your the least informed swede i ever seen. I don't even know what this thought crime is coming from.
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Rassy
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands2308 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-01 01:30:13
June 01 2012 01:29 GMT
#256
Sry, will stop my crusade and instead will go enjoy watching the show end.
DeliCiousVP
Profile Joined September 2011
Sweden343 Posts
June 01 2012 01:39 GMT
#257
http://zeitnewsblog.blogspot.com

Read
Check sources
discuss
=Epic win

Glance
Dismiss
Debate
= Ignore
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JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
June 01 2012 02:17 GMT
#258
On June 01 2012 10:39 DeliCiousVP wrote:
http://zeitnewsblog.blogspot.com

Read
Check sources
discuss
=Epic win

Glance
Dismiss
Debate
= Ignore


Missing the point...

All these arguments are only valid once you have achieved a post scarcity economy. But we do not have a post scarcity economy yet, and therefore it won't work today. You just can't impose a speculative future society on the world today any more than you can create a machine just because you speculate that it will exist in the future.

That's why The Venus Project needs money. We do not have a post scarcity economy and therefore they need money to get anything done! So it is silly to argue to get rid of money today. You need money to build up your productive capital and fund the research you need to get there.


HellRoxYa
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden1614 Posts
June 01 2012 02:21 GMT
#259
On June 01 2012 10:14 DeliCiousVP wrote:
Show nested quote +
'm sorry but how ignorant of society are you? What people do on their own is wholly different from state mandated practices such as, you know, the law. So immidiately we can discard the media and religious institutions. Schools? I'm sorry but they don't prosecute you for thoughtcrime (at least they don't do it here in Sweden, I would assume the US would be no different). "But they force you to learn basic knowledge!", no shit, still not about thoughtcrimes.

Edit: To make the distinction clearer for you: You have to learn, you don't have to agree.


Hehe and this coming from the guy who said he would dominate others just because people are stupid and thats your hobby. man please your the least informed swede i ever seen. I don't even know what this thought crime is coming from.


Did you just brainfart completely?

First of all I said that would be my hobby in an RBE. It is not anything I do currently, other people don't interest me enough infront of other things I could do. The entire point of that, though, was that once I start dominating others the system would fail and you had no failsafe against that.

Secondly, you don't even know what we're discussing anymore?
On June 01 2012 07:27 DeliCiousVP wrote:
Show nested quote +
Don't forget thoughtcrimes! But don't worry, you'll be sent to reprogramming centres so that you see things the "correct" way in no time.

awesome don't we have that already?


See, you confirmed that these value disorders are a thoughtcrime which would be fixed (through some vague psychological process), and then you went on to claim that there are already thoughtcrimes apparent in society today. You bring up religion, news and school. Since religion and news have nothing to do with how the state organizes things they fall off, and so we were discussing schools. You with me so far? Good. Then I said that as far as schools go you can't actually commit thoughtcrimes as you don't have to agree to anything they teach you, you just need to learn it. If you think what the school is teaching you is wrong, that's fine (even though it makes you an idiot, but whatever). You don't get sent in for reprogramming because you believe, for example, that evolution is "just a theory" or "wrong", but you need to listen when the teacher tells you what the fuck evolution actually is and why it makes sense, and why it is commonly accepted by virtually everyone.

So are you up to date on what we are discussing now? Can you offer any sort of argument as to how schools don't allow thoughtcrimes (or institutionalize such things in any way what so ever)?
DeliCiousVP
Profile Joined September 2011
Sweden343 Posts
June 01 2012 02:55 GMT
#260

Funny rants with some truths in it.
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