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kmillz
United States1548 Posts
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rogzardo
610 Posts
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/magazine/march_april_2012/features/obamas_top_50_accomplishments035755.php Should get you started. | ||
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HellRoxYa
Sweden1614 Posts
On October 06 2012 09:31 kmillz wrote: I have to ask...what has Obama done to move us "Forward" so far? This is a serious question, I am not trolling, but the numbers just show unemployment and the debt worse since he has been in office. No "Romney's plan is worse" comments, I just want to hear what Obama has done positively for this country so far and why he deserves a second term. Well as an outsider I can say that he's returned to good international diplomacy, both among so-called allies and among indifferent or somewhat hostile nations. Admittedly there are people in the US who see this as a weekness but frankly I would concider them daft and oblivious to the world. | ||
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
On October 06 2012 09:31 kmillz wrote: I have to ask...what has Obama done to move us "Forward" so far? This is a serious question, I am not trolling, but the numbers just show unemployment and the debt worse since he has been in office. No "Romney's plan is worse" comments, I just want to hear what Obama has done positively for this country so far and why he deserves a second term. The debt is Obama's fault sure but it's mostly him continuing the Bush tax cuts and wars and less new problems. Unemployment is less bad now than in mid 2009, do you blame Obama for unemployment getting worse during his first 6 months in office? | ||
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sc2superfan101
3583 Posts
On October 06 2012 09:34 HellRoxYa wrote: Well as an outsider I can say that he's returned to good international diplomacy, both among so-called allies and among indifferent or somewhat hostile nations. Admittedly there are people in the US who see this as a weekness but frankly I would concider them daft and oblivious to the world. considering the controversy that has come from his bungling of both the attack on the Ambassador and of the aftermath of the attack, I would say that his foreign-policy and "diplomacy" is actually one of his weak points. | ||
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Silidons
United States2813 Posts
On October 06 2012 09:31 kmillz wrote: I have to ask...what has Obama done to move us "Forward" so far? This is a serious question, I am not trolling, but the numbers just show unemployment and the debt worse since he has been in office. No "Romney's plan is worse" comments, I just want to hear what Obama has done positively for this country so far and why he deserves a second term. Unemployment is below 8% now... He is a job creator now as well. (note: this article says 8.1% but that figure is old) For the first time in his presidency, Barack Obama can call himself a job creator. There are now more U.S. jobs than when he took office. Not by much, but they've moved out of negative territory, according to a Labor Department revision. It probably won't help Obama much in his race for re-election. The economy is still a long way from firing on all cylinders. But the revision — showing employers added 386,000 more jobs than had previously been estimated in the 12 months ended in March — was clearly good news for the White House as Obama heads into a crucial week. The focus of next Wednesday's first presidential debate will be the economy. On Friday the September employment report comes out. Economists don't expect much change in the jobless figures from August's 8.1 percent unemployment rate. Still, "we are making progress," said Alan Krueger, chairman of Obama's Council of Economic Advisers. The White House can now claim a net gain of about 100,000 jobs under Obama. Still, unemployment has been stuck above 8 percent since early in Obama's term, budget deficits have topped $1 trillion for four consecutive years and economic growth has slowed to a trickle, expanding at a scant 1.3 percent annual rate in the April-June quarter. Republican challenger Mitt Romney portrays Obama as a failed job creator. Romney says he would create 12 million jobs if he's elected president. Polls have suggested a recent shift in public opinion, with some for the first time showing Obama ahead on handling the economy. Romney campaigned in Pennsylvania Friday. "My priority is job creation and growing incomes," Romney told donors in Philadelphia "My priority is not trying to punish people who have been successful." He also attended a rally in Wayne, Pa. Obama had three fundraisers, all in Washington, D.C. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/race-obama-now-call-himself-job-creator-165542682--election.html | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On October 06 2012 09:31 kmillz wrote: I have to ask...what has Obama done to move us "Forward" so far? This is a serious question, I am not trolling, but the numbers just show unemployment and the debt worse since he has been in office. No "Romney's plan is worse" comments, I just want to hear what Obama has done positively for this country so far and why he deserves a second term. Off the top of my head, I consider the following real accomplishments: 1) Saved the auto-industry. This is critical, it is one of the few remaining American industries that manufactures products in America, and an one where I feel America can still be a global leader. 2) Affordable Health Care Act. I know most conservatives will probably argue otherwise, but the system you had previously was brutally inefficient, expensive for consumers, and limited the market that insurance companies could provide coverage to, as well as the extent and quality of that coverage. And providers where forced to increase their cost to compensate for providing emergency care by law, regardless if someone had coverage or not. The ACA guarantees coverages millions of Americans that never had it, provides better coverage for those that did, and forces everyone to pay into the health care system. (And honestly -- as a guy that's proud of and has enjoyed the benefits of socialized medicine -- this will change people lives and strengthen the economy if you give it ten years. I can't imagine living in a world where a 21 year can break his leg and suddenly owe half his annual income to fix it. Health care costs without insurance in America are prohibitively high, and directly contribute to the economic and social immobility that plagues your country.) 3) Brought the employment rate down to 7.8%, the first time it's been below 8% in four years. People seem to have short memories -- yes, the Bush years, and the financial crisis, was that bad. America was hemorrhaging jobs the months towards the end of the Bush administration and the first few months Obama was in office. At least you guys had two-three years of job growth. You could argue that someone else could do better, but realistically -- how to just regain the 7 million or so jobs (I think that stat is right, haven't double-checked) that were lost under Bush out of thin air? | ||
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kmillz
United States1548 Posts
I'm not an economist, but I do understand math and common sense. Can someone please explain to me how Obama only creates 112K jobs in August, which is less than July, which was less than June, and yet the unemployment rate magically drops 3 points? | ||
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Silidons
United States2813 Posts
On October 06 2012 09:53 kmillz wrote: I'm not an economist, but I do understand math and common sense. Can someone please explain to me how Obama only creates 112K jobs in August, which is less than July, which was less than June, and yet the unemployment rate magically drops 3 points? They underestimated how many jobs were created. But of course the right are claiming that it's all a lie and they cooked the books, as to be expected from Fox and the like. | ||
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sc2superfan101
3583 Posts
On October 06 2012 09:53 kmillz wrote: I'm not an economist, but I do understand math and common sense. Can someone please explain to me how Obama only creates 112K jobs in August, which is less than July, which was less than June, and yet the unemployment rate magically drops 3 points? because if you've been looking for jobs for a really long time than that means you're not unemployed anymore! magic! | ||
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kmillz
United States1548 Posts
On October 06 2012 09:56 Silidons wrote: They underestimated how many jobs were created. But of course the right are claiming that it's all a lie and they cooked the books, as to be expected from Fox and the like. Care to cite a source to back that up? I didn't get this information from Fox, I got it from http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CES0000000001?output_view=net_1mth | ||
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kmillz
United States1548 Posts
On October 06 2012 10:00 sc2superfan101 wrote: because if you've been looking for jobs for a really long time than that means you're not unemployed anymore! magic! Or if you stop looking for one because you are on welfare perhaps? | ||
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JonnyBNoHo
United States6277 Posts
On October 06 2012 09:53 kmillz wrote: I'm not an economist, but I do understand math and common sense. Can someone please explain to me how Obama only creates 112K jobs in August, which is less than July, which was less than June, and yet the unemployment rate magically drops 3 points? There are two surveys. The 112K jobs comes from the establishment survey which counts payroll filings and the unemployment rate comes from the household survey which uses a phone survey. Over time they're roughly identical but month to month there can be huge differences. There's a good article on it here. | ||
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sam!zdat
United States5559 Posts
On October 06 2012 10:06 kmillz wrote: Or if you stop looking for one because you are on welfare perhaps? So raise minimum wage to making working shit jobs more enticing then. | ||
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kwizach
3658 Posts
On October 06 2012 09:36 sc2superfan101 wrote: considering the controversy that has come from his bungling of both the attack on the Ambassador and of the aftermath of the attack, I would say that his foreign-policy and "diplomacy" is actually one of his weak points. Then you'd be wrong. The US has, under Obama, regained a lot of the clout it had lost under George Bush, especially within international organizations. | ||
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kmillz
United States1548 Posts
On October 06 2012 10:10 JonnyBNoHo wrote: There are two surveys. The 112K jobs comes from the establishment survey which counts payroll filings and the unemployment rate comes from the household survey which uses a phone survey. Over time they're roughly identical but month to month there can be huge differences. There's a good article on it here. I read that article..too bad no mention made of the soaring of part time work to near 600K. The largest jump in nearly 3 years. Of the 873K added in the household survey, 66% was part time work. Also, at a population of 310 million people, even with a historically low population growth rate at an estimated 0.7%, the U.S. population grew by at least 180,000 people in September. Therefore, even accepting the most optimistic estimate of the U.S. jobs growth of 140,000 jobs added in September, the unemployment rate in the United States must have increased. | ||
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sam!zdat
United States5559 Posts
On October 06 2012 10:22 kmillz wrote: I read that article..too bad no mention made of the soaring of part time work to near 600K. Why is that | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On October 06 2012 09:36 sc2superfan101 wrote: considering the controversy that has come from his bungling of both the attack on the Ambassador and of the aftermath of the attack, I would say that his foreign-policy and "diplomacy" is actually one of his weak points. Obama pretty much, single-mindedly, created the coalition and ordered the air strike that prevented Gaddaffi from overthrowing the rebels in Libya. He saved hundreds of thousands of people in Benghazi. http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/2012/10/michael-lewis-profile-barack-obama The Libyan people loves America, and have already forced the more extreme Muslim militias in their country to disband in the aftermath of the embassy attack. Four US citizens died, unfortunately, and that is on the administration. But overall the Obama's administration did a remarkable job with how they overthrew Gaddafi, especially compared to the cost and turmoil of Iraq and Afghanistan. If you want to complain about foreign policy, complain about Afghanistan -- a war that Obama didn't start, but did continue, and where there is no good exit strategy. | ||
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JonnyBNoHo
United States6277 Posts
On October 06 2012 10:22 kmillz wrote: I read that article..too bad no mention made of the soaring of part time work to near 600K. The largest jump in nearly 3 years. Of the 873K added in the household survey, 66% was part time work. Also, at a population of 310 million people, even with a historically low population growth rate at an estimated 0.7%, the U.S. population grew by at least 180,000 people in September. Therefore, even accepting the most optimistic estimate of the U.S. jobs growth of 140,000 jobs added in September, the unemployment rate in the United States must have increased. Yes the 'rule of thumb' is that the economy needs to grow by ~180K / month just to keep pace with jobs growth. So at the current rate of job creation it would take infinite years for the employment situation to fully recover. Last year we averaged 153K / month and so far this year we've averaged 146 / month. The drop in the unemployment rate has basically come from a drop in the labor force. | ||
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Deathmanbob
United States2356 Posts
On October 06 2012 09:31 kmillz wrote: I have to ask...what has Obama done to move us "Forward" so far? This is a serious question, I am not trolling, but the numbers just show unemployment and the debt worse since he has been in office. No "Romney's plan is worse" comments, I just want to hear what Obama has done positively for this country so far and why he deserves a second term. ill do it in bullet system if thats okay with you, also ill generalize. If you want more details later ill be happy to give them - Signed the fair pay act for women -Signed the auto bailout which saved GM from bankruptcy - 30 straight months of private sector job growth - Signed into law restrictions on credit card fees - Signed into law bank reforms - Signed into law healthcare reform (first president to ever do this) - Unemployment down below when he was sworn into office (jobs number today has unemployment at 7.8%) - killed OBL - Lower taxes for households earning less then 250k a year those are the major ones i can think of off the top of my head | ||
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