Oh and then you get glorious links to pure stupidity on reddit daily.(engineering student, so stuff like this makes me facepalm)
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
Oh and then you get glorious links to pure stupidity on reddit daily.(engineering student, so stuff like this makes me facepalm) | ||
xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On September 25 2012 05:11 Amui wrote: On the outside looking in(I'm Canadian), how is it possible for Obama to lose this election without some major screwups? Romney has given the middle finger to half the country, appears to be a rich snob from my end, and republican policies just seem like pipedreams. Oh and then you get glorious links to pure stupidity on reddit daily.(engineering student, so stuff like this makes me facepalm) Because some Americans actually care about job performance? | ||
ZasZ.
United States2911 Posts
On September 25 2012 05:18 xDaunt wrote: Because some Americans actually care about job performance? And they don't all happen to be Republicans, fyi. | ||
kwizach
3658 Posts
On September 25 2012 04:36 kmillz wrote: 12% is the exact %age I previously posted. It's still higher than 8%. It's higher than 8% because it's a different measure, like we explained to you for PAGES one or two weeks ago. On September 25 2012 05:18 xDaunt wrote: Because some Americans actually care about job performance? Agreed, if ALL Americans cared about job performance instead of "some", Obama would already have this in the bag! | ||
TrickyGilligan
United States641 Posts
On September 25 2012 05:11 Amui wrote: On the outside looking in(I'm Canadian), how is it possible for Obama to lose this election without some major screwups? Romney has given the middle finger to half the country, appears to be a rich snob from my end, and republican policies just seem like pipedreams. Oh and then you get glorious links to pure stupidity on reddit daily.(engineering student, so stuff like this makes me facepalm) These posts from non-Americans seem to come up a lot, so I'll do my best to address some of your questions. -The US is right-leaning when compared to the rest of the developed world. I can understand that from your point of view Republicans seem out of touch, but their message does resonate with a significant portion of US voters. Now, clearly not all US residents agree, but people from outside the US tend to just write off the Republicans as a crackpot minority. This simply doesn't reflect the actual situation. -A lot of people are upset by the economy and healthcare reform, and Obama gets a ton of the blame for both of these things. Without getting into if either of these things are actually in a poor state, understand that while a lot of voters aren't impressed with Romney, they're willing to vote for anyone who isn't Obama. -US politics are very, very partisan. I'm 26, I've never missed an election, and in 8 years of voting I have never, ever voted for someone not in my party. I can't see a situation where that will change in the future either. This isn't just something personal either, you'll find this to be fairly typical among people who are politically active. So what that means is a huge majority of the country will simply vote along party lines, and it's up to the very small number of independents and undecided voters who actually wins. Worse, our voter turnout is terrible compared to other democracies. All of these factors lead to very close elections, even when it looks like one candidate has a clear advantage. All that said, I do think that Obama is likely to win, but all this talk of him having it in the bag seems really premature. | ||
JinDesu
United States3990 Posts
On September 25 2012 05:18 xDaunt wrote: Because some Americans actually care about job performance? Hopefully they prefer their airplane windows closed though. | ||
Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On September 25 2012 05:11 Amui wrote: On the outside looking in(I'm Canadian), how is it possible for Obama to lose this election without some major screwups? Romney has given the middle finger to half the country, appears to be a rich snob from my end, and republican policies just seem like pipedreams. Oh and then you get glorious links to pure stupidity on reddit daily.(engineering student, so stuff like this makes me facepalm) Because Americans hate change, which breeds a culture of intolerance, 'exceptionalism' and fear ... goodnight everybody! | ||
Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On September 25 2012 05:18 xDaunt wrote: Because some Americans actually care about job performance? If that were true, Bush probably wouldn't gotten 8 years. Let's be honest. | ||
JinDesu
United States3990 Posts
On September 25 2012 05:33 Defacer wrote: If that were true, Bush probably wouldn't gotten 8 years. Let's be honest. Go to sleep already. Side note, the below are pretty gold: ![]() | ||
Mazer
Canada1086 Posts
On September 25 2012 05:33 Defacer wrote: If that were true, Bush probably wouldn't gotten 8 years. Let's be honest. And the GOP wouldn't be distancing themselves from him in every way possible... I mean, it's pretty telling when Clinton gives a 50 minute speech at the DNC but Bush is absolutely no where near Romney. | ||
Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On September 25 2012 05:11 Amui wrote: On the outside looking in(I'm Canadian), how is it possible for Obama to lose this election without some major screwups? Romney has given the middle finger to half the country, appears to be a rich snob from my end, and republican policies just seem like pipedreams. Oh and then you get glorious links to pure stupidity on reddit daily.(engineering student, so stuff like this makes me facepalm) That ... was Palin-esque. | ||
Signet
United States1718 Posts
On September 25 2012 04:32 Defacer wrote: Yeah. Too bad due to Voter ID laws an estimated 10 million previously eligible voters in these state won't be able to vote unless they get their IDs. I really don't understand why more American's aren't freaking out about this. Americans largely don't give a damn about civil rights. And the small number who do are vastly outweighed by the number who think we're being overrun by illegal Mexicans. | ||
{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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stevarius
United States1394 Posts
On September 25 2012 05:57 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Apathy, Jingoism, Religious zealotry, and Idiocracy are this country's major problems. The people from my state think you're wrong and would counter that the problems are: Obama, Obama, and Obama. I hate Georgia. :D On a more serious note, people really don't give a fuck. I recall trying to volunteer for notoriously positive organizations in my local community. You couldn't contact them, volunteer to do something valuable and actually make a difference and many that were staffed there didn't give a shit. They would; however, be glad to take your donation money. | ||
Signet
United States1718 Posts
On September 25 2012 05:24 TrickyGilligan wrote: -US politics are very, very partisan. I'm 26, I've never missed an election, and in 8 years of voting I have never, ever voted for someone not in my party. I can't see a situation where that will change in the future either. This isn't just something personal either, you'll find this to be fairly typical among people who are politically active. So what that means is a huge majority of the country will simply vote along party lines, and it's up to the very small number of independents and undecided voters who actually wins. Worse, our voter turnout is terrible compared to other democracies. All of these factors lead to very close elections, even when it looks like one candidate has a clear advantage. It's also worth mentioning that our polarization is becoming more pronounced with time. I'm 30 and have voted for a few candidates for federal offices from both major parties in the past, but at this point I can't see myself voting for one of them until something changes. (local candidates who might be a bit different from the national party, sure) In this environment, it's more worth a candidate's time to try to motivate the people who are solidly on their side than to try to persuade the small number of undecideds. So a lot of our discourse has deteriorated into basically two angry camps yelling at each other. | ||
TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On September 25 2012 05:38 Mazer wrote: And the GOP wouldn't be distancing themselves from him in every way possible... I mean, it's pretty telling when Clinton gives a 50 minute speech at the DNC but Bush is absolutely no where near Romney. While your point is valid, I suspect Bush is still politically close enough to kryptonite that him avoiding Romney would be good. It is telling that Christie/Jeb Bush/every candidate that has a shot in 2016 has kept their mouths firmly shut or condemned his stupider comments, though. | ||
kmillz
United States1548 Posts
On September 25 2012 05:57 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Apathy, Jingoism, Religious zealotry, and Idiocracy are this country's major problems. Pretty soon we'll be using mountain dew to water the crops! :D But I agree, our country has seem to have lost alot of what kept us strong in the past. | ||
rshswe
Sweden40 Posts
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DoubleReed
United States4130 Posts
On September 25 2012 05:57 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Apathy, Jingoism, Religious zealotry, and Idiocracy are this country's major problems. Sadly, I think almost all of these are due to money in politics right now. The fact is that the country has gone much further to the left in the last few decades, but our politics has gone much further to the right. I mean they've shown that in a Senate or House race it's something like 93% chance to win if you have more money (presidential and governor elections are better). That's a ridiculous number. No other factor correlates like that. Who cares if people are democrats or republicans or libertarians or whatever. That kind of thing makes people feel incredibly cynical about the whole process. People overwhelmingly think that our politics is corrupt. And it is. | ||
coverpunch
United States2093 Posts
On September 25 2012 05:57 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Apathy, Jingoism, Religious zealotry, and Idiocracy are this country's major problems. You're aware that the Founders also complained and worried about these things? So long as voters are empowered to make rational decisions and more importantly, correct any bad decisions, this country will be okay. You don't want to get TOO deep into the "American voters are idiots" thing. After all, your candidate might win =p. | ||
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