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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On August 29 2012 10:45 dvorakftw wrote: Hard to dream if you've been torn to shreds in the womb. You know what is effective way of discouraging abortion? Socialized medicine. Countries with socialized medicine have a significantly lower abortion rate than countries that don't, because the medical costs of raising a child, particularly one with a disability, is a non-issue. | ||
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BlueBird.
United States3890 Posts
On August 29 2012 10:50 Defacer wrote: You know what is effective way of discouraging abortion? Socialized medicine. Countries with socialized medicine have a significantly lower abortion rate than countries that don't, because the medical costs of raising a child, particularly one with a disability, is a non-issue. So true, also, sex education, by this I mean actually talking about sex, and not saying "don't have sex or you go to hell" or whatever else. Contraception, in all forms, being widely available, and both young men and women being informed at an early age the proper way to go about getting and using contraception. Less unwanted pregnancies from sex education probably means less abortions, it blows my freaking mind the party that is completely against abortion, is also for abstinence only education in a lot of cases as well. | ||
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TotalBalanceSC2
Canada475 Posts
On August 29 2012 10:50 Defacer wrote: You know what is effective way of discouraging abortion? Introduce Communism. Countries with Communist medicine have a significantly lower abortion rate than countries that don't, because the medical costs of raising a child, particularly one with a disability, is a non-issue. This is probably how most Republicans will read that, and then proceed to be revolted by the idea. | ||
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Sub40APM
6336 Posts
On August 29 2012 10:37 Defacer wrote: Wolf Blitzer just pointed out the obvious -- Santorum's speech had less to do with supporting Romney and more to do with positioning himself for the next election. Why not? Once the flip flopper establishment candidate is thrown out the logical answer for the RNC folks will be to triple down on ideological purity. After all, Romney was the second most 'moderate' of the guys they were putting up in the debates, only less moderate than Huntsman. Or at least he was at one point, obviously by this point in the campaign Romney has literally been for and against every and any position. I | ||
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HunterX11
United States1048 Posts
On August 29 2012 10:58 Sub40APM wrote: Why not? Once the flip flopper establishment candidate is thrown out the logical answer for the RNC folks will be to triple down on ideological purity. After all, Romney was the second most 'moderate' of the guys they were putting up in the debates, only less moderate than Huntsman. Or at least he was at one point, obviously by this point in the campaign Romney has literally been for and against every and any position. I Honestly I wonder if McCain might have won in 2008 if he had just stuck to his guns instead of pandering to the far right. | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
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dvorakftw
681 Posts
On August 29 2012 10:50 Defacer wrote: You know what is effective way of discouraging abortion? Socialized medicine. Countries with socialized medicine have a significantly lower abortion rate than countries that don't, because the medical costs of raising a child, particularly one with a disability, is a non-issue. Looks better on their chart so feel free to click source Sweden (1996) Births per 1,000 - 7.8 Abortions per 1,000 - 17.2 Abortion ratio - 68.8 France (1995)* Births per 1,000 - 10.0 Abortions per 1,000 - 10.2 Abortion ratio - 50.5 Canada (1995) Births per 1,000 - 24.5 Abortions per 1,000 - 21.2 Abortion ratio - 46.4 Great Britain (1995)** Births per 1,000 - 28.3 Abortions per 1,000 - Abortion ratio - 39.4 United States (1996) Births per 1,000 - 54.4 Abortions per 1,000 - 29.2 Abortion ratio - 34.9 Source | ||
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BluePanther
United States2776 Posts
I seriously wish that guy ran for president. I could fully get behind him, he's one of my favorite politicians. | ||
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Craton
United States17303 Posts
On August 29 2012 11:12 HunterX11 wrote: Honestly I wonder if McCain might have won in 2008 if he had just stuck to his guns instead of pandering to the far right. I don't think so. Even with the Palin debacle aside, Obama had a fuckload of momentum. | ||
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Jumbled
1543 Posts
On August 29 2012 10:58 Sub40APM wrote: Why not? Once the flip flopper establishment candidate is thrown out the logical answer for the RNC folks will be to triple down on ideological purity. After all, Romney was the second most 'moderate' of the guys they were putting up in the debates, only less moderate than Huntsman. Or at least he was at one point, obviously by this point in the campaign Romney has literally been for and against every and any position. I I'm not sure logical is appropriate word to use there, but the policy does seem to be "if something doesn't work, do it even worse next time!" | ||
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BluePanther
United States2776 Posts
On August 29 2012 11:42 Craton wrote: I don't think so. Even with the Palin debacle aside, Obama had a fuckload of momentum. It would have been closer. He lost my vote because of it. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
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BluePanther
United States2776 Posts
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
He doesn't even to have the courage to release his tax returns! Or discuss his record at Bain! Or keep his gay foreign policy advisor! Or explain what his budget cuts would be! Romney is the king of pandering to whoever is in the room. As an aside, Christie would have made a great candidate. | ||
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Critter
United States196 Posts
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kwizach
3658 Posts
On August 29 2012 11:31 dvorakftw wrote: Looks better on their chart so feel free to click source Sweden (1996) Births per 1,000 - 7.8 Abortions per 1,000 - 17.2 Abortion ratio - 68.8 France (1995)* Births per 1,000 - 10.0 Abortions per 1,000 - 10.2 Abortion ratio - 50.5 Canada (1995) Births per 1,000 - 24.5 Abortions per 1,000 - 21.2 Abortion ratio - 46.4 Great Britain (1995)** Births per 1,000 - 28.3 Abortions per 1,000 - Abortion ratio - 39.4 United States (1996) Births per 1,000 - 54.4 Abortions per 1,000 - 29.2 Abortion ratio - 34.9 Source You realize the stats you posted prove Defacer's point, right? The relevant column is "abortions per 1000". (the "abortion ratio" column is calculated by dividing the abortions/1000 by the pregnancies/1000, a column you left out, and pregnancies/1000 are much lower in the other countries than in the US) | ||
Falling
Canada11605 Posts
I guess because the president doesn't actually run a party, it's important to run out your wife to make speeches. Being the spouse of a presidential nominee is not for the faint of heart. I can't imagine Harper's wife being called up to be a major speaker at a major party convention. I still think Obama wins and if we see Christie run in the next election, I think he'll be seen as the smarter politician to know when to run. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On August 29 2012 11:31 dvorakftw wrote: Looks better on their chart so feel free to click source Sweden (1996) Births per 1,000 - 7.8 Abortions per 1,000 - 17.2 Abortion ratio - 68.8 France (1995)* Births per 1,000 - 10.0 Abortions per 1,000 - 10.2 Abortion ratio - 50.5 Canada (1995) Births per 1,000 - 24.5 Abortions per 1,000 - 21.2 Abortion ratio - 46.4 Great Britain (1995)** Births per 1,000 - 28.3 Abortions per 1,000 - Abortion ratio - 39.4 United States (1996) Births per 1,000 - 54.4 Abortions per 1,000 - 29.2 Abortion ratio - 34.9 Source Oh yeah, better sex education and contraception also lowers all those unwanted pregnancies too. A REAL Christian would support socialized medicine if they cared about the lives and welfare of children from the moment of inception. | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On August 29 2012 12:01 Falling wrote: Yeah, Christie is definitely one of the heavies. He's quite fun to listen to whereas half of these guys are uninteresting to listen to and I just mute them. I guess because the president doesn't actually run a party, it's important to run out your wife to make speeches. Being the spouse of a presidential nominee is not for the faint of heart. I can't imagine Harper's wife being called up to be a major speaker at a major party convention. US media has really turned the election into a reality show. | ||
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