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Hey guys! We'll be closing this thread shortly, but we will make an American politics megathread where we can continue the discussions in here.

The new thread can be found here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=383301
Derez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Netherlands6068 Posts
August 29 2012 00:27 GMT
#6901
On August 29 2012 09:24 Defacer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2012 09:21 xDaunt wrote:
Good lord, Sen. Ayote is a horrible speaker.


Nuts, are you watch the RNC right now?

I'm still at work. :/

The newest speaker (governor of ohio) has just declared 'job creation' the 'greatest moral issue'.
Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11583 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-29 00:33:54
August 29 2012 00:29 GMT
#6902
On August 29 2012 09:16 Derez wrote:
I love how members of the most priviliged class in the US are creating this myth that their lives are 'hard'.

(We built it!)

Also, president Obama has never run a lemonade stand and thus can't understand small business. The ironic part is that Obama is a small business owner himself.

But Romney understands small business. Has he ever been a small business owner? Seems he's big business more than anything. Unless he ran a lemon stand as a child.

Edit
Listening to this speaker.
The one thing I don't get and maybe I'm over simplifying. It seems that generally they say government can't create jobs, businessess do. But then they turn around and say that Romney created jobs as governor.
Moderator5000 of our finest Taliban warriors have been released! Rise up my brothers. Mashalla! al-Donald ibn-Frederick al-Masih allows it.
Chocolate
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2350 Posts
August 29 2012 00:37 GMT
#6903
On August 29 2012 09:29 Falling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2012 09:16 Derez wrote:
I love how members of the most priviliged class in the US are creating this myth that their lives are 'hard'.

(We built it!)

Also, president Obama has never run a lemonade stand and thus can't understand small business. The ironic part is that Obama is a small business owner himself.

But Romney understands small business. Has he ever been a small business owner? Seems he's big business more than anything. Unless he ran a lemon stand as a child.

Edit
Listening to this speaker.
The one thing I don't get and maybe I'm over simplifying. It seems that generally they say government can't create jobs, businessess do. But then they turn around and say that Romney created jobs as governor.

They will probably say that states should and do have different powers from the federal government, and they will say that government can't make jobs via employment but by lowering taxes, helping out employers, etc. I'm not a conservative, though, so take what I say with a grain of salt.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
August 29 2012 00:38 GMT
#6904
On August 29 2012 09:29 Falling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2012 09:16 Derez wrote:
I love how members of the most priviliged class in the US are creating this myth that their lives are 'hard'.

(We built it!)

Also, president Obama has never run a lemonade stand and thus can't understand small business. The ironic part is that Obama is a small business owner himself.

But Romney understands small business. Has he ever been a small business owner? Seems he's big business more than anything. Unless he ran a lemon stand as a child.

Edit
Listening to this speaker.
The one thing I don't get and maybe I'm over simplifying. It seems that generally they say government can't create jobs, businessess do. But then they turn around and say that Romney created jobs as governor.

The language is sloppy at times, but the point that they are trying to make is that government doesn't create jobs so much as government interferes with job creation. Thus, Kasich and Romney "created" jobs by removing government-created impediments to private job creation.
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
August 29 2012 00:39 GMT
#6905
On August 29 2012 07:16 BluePanther wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2012 06:35 Defacer wrote:
On August 29 2012 05:50 dvorakftw wrote:
On August 29 2012 02:05 Defacer wrote:
They might as well be promising every American a pony.

No, that's the Democrat plan. Oh wait... it was unicorns they were promising everyone.

Both Romney and Ryan's budgets are serious and the claim that you have to detail every single item in advance is simply ignorant bashing by people who don't understand or don't want to understand how budgets are finalized.


You're talking about a plan that reduces 5 TRILLION in tax revenue, without cutting the defense budget or raising capital gains taxes. Asking how you're going to pay for it is perfectly reasonable -- and responsible -- and the equivalent of squabbling over budget line items.

Pretending that it's a serious proposal is what is ignorant, and delusional.

Have you ever had experience drafting a real budget? I have. Largest project was $7 million. And no, you can't magically chop a budget in half and pretend you're not changing the results you're going to deliver.




And going on the route we're going on now is even worse. Whine all you want, but it's a step in the right direction.


BTW, I'm all for making hard decisions -- but that's precisely my complaint about the Romney campaign. They've proposed zero hard decisions.

Now I can already hear the argument -- neither has Obama -- but I don't think Obama has proposed something as outlandish as a balanced budget AND a tax cut on top of the Bush tax cuts without being able to justify it or put some political skin in the game.

Imagine if Obama proposed Obamacare, but refused to deny or confirm that there was a individual mandate and penalty if you didn't pay for it. It would be beyond disagreeable, you'd think he was ka-ka-koo-koo-krazy.


Derez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Netherlands6068 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-29 00:44:29
August 29 2012 00:43 GMT
#6906
Nooo. Don't mention the dog. Or his record as a governor. It's like they missed the talking points.
Deleted User 183001
Profile Joined May 2011
2939 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-29 00:47:59
August 29 2012 00:46 GMT
#6907
Politics are scary, especially with how downhill it's going here. I just hope if nothing else, we keep a crazed fundie and ultra corporate lover out of the presidency. It will also keep backward social legislation out of the question as well, I hope. Suggesting banning abortion even if a woman's life is at stake? Really?

Anyways, the political future seems a bit bleak. Sooner or later, the system will fail. At least it seems to be heading that way.

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Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11583 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-29 00:50:06
August 29 2012 00:47 GMT
#6908
On August 29 2012 09:38 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2012 09:29 Falling wrote:
On August 29 2012 09:16 Derez wrote:
I love how members of the most priviliged class in the US are creating this myth that their lives are 'hard'.

(We built it!)

Also, president Obama has never run a lemonade stand and thus can't understand small business. The ironic part is that Obama is a small business owner himself.

But Romney understands small business. Has he ever been a small business owner? Seems he's big business more than anything. Unless he ran a lemon stand as a child.

Edit
Listening to this speaker.
The one thing I don't get and maybe I'm over simplifying. It seems that generally they say government can't create jobs, businessess do. But then they turn around and say that Romney created jobs as governor.

The language is sloppy at times, but the point that they are trying to make is that government doesn't create jobs so much as government interferes with job creation. Thus, Kasich and Romney "created" jobs by removing government-created impediments to private job creation.

It does seem a bit sloppy language if what they mean is the government needs to sit on their hands. Because Romney job creating as governor sounds much more pro-active. To me it sounds a little like trying to have it both ways.

Edit.
Big Business get's no love from the RNC speech makers It's all about small businesss owners in speeches at least.
Moderator5000 of our finest Taliban warriors have been released! Rise up my brothers. Mashalla! al-Donald ibn-Frederick al-Masih allows it.
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
August 29 2012 00:47 GMT
#6909
On August 29 2012 09:38 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2012 09:29 Falling wrote:
On August 29 2012 09:16 Derez wrote:
I love how members of the most priviliged class in the US are creating this myth that their lives are 'hard'.

(We built it!)

Also, president Obama has never run a lemonade stand and thus can't understand small business. The ironic part is that Obama is a small business owner himself.

But Romney understands small business. Has he ever been a small business owner? Seems he's big business more than anything. Unless he ran a lemon stand as a child.

Edit
Listening to this speaker.
The one thing I don't get and maybe I'm over simplifying. It seems that generally they say government can't create jobs, businessess do. But then they turn around and say that Romney created jobs as governor.

The language is sloppy at times, but the point that they are trying to make is that government doesn't create jobs so much as government interferes with job creation. Thus, Kasich and Romney "created" jobs by removing government-created impediments to private job creation.


Funny but true article on Buzzfeed.

RNC Primetime Speaker Gave Extensive PowerPoint On How To Build Your Business With Government Money
Small business woman Sher Valenzuela, who is running for Lt. Governor in Delaware, is giving a primetime speech tonight at the “We Build It” themed day of the Republican convention. Valenzuela gave a PowerPoint-presentation to the Wilmington Women In Business forum in April entirely focused on working with the government to get government contracts to build your business. Media Matters also found she gave a similar presentation again in May.


http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/rnc-primetime-speaker-gave-extensive-powerpoint-on

The Powerpoint presentation goes into detail about how the US government issues about $40 billion in small business contracts a year, how easy it is for small businesses to bid on government contracts, how the government is an excellent and reliable customer, and how you might as well take advantage of it because, hey, your taxes made it all possible. Huzzah!

{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 29 2012 00:54 GMT
#6910
Not to mention the building they are in was built via public/government funds.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
August 29 2012 01:03 GMT
#6911
On August 29 2012 09:23 Saryph wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2012 08:51 darthfoley wrote:
On August 29 2012 08:24 Saryph wrote:
It is hard to support a political party and it's platform when you read they support an idea that would leave three out of four members of your family, including yourself, dead/unborn.


explain?


The section about them banning abortion even if the pregnant woman's life is at risk.


Oh, i agree with you wholeheartedly. Such a stupid position
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
August 29 2012 01:11 GMT
#6912
It still pisses me off how Romney needed 4 others guys to cut that kid's hair and call him gay. If you're going to be a bully, at least have the balls to do it on your own.

I'm sure it was just because he was young. I'm almost 18 and i've never bullied someone in my life. He's just a pathetic person
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-29 01:33:06
August 29 2012 01:32 GMT
#6913
Ummmm ... Santorum on Obama waiving the work requirement for welfare ... hasn't this been established as complete horseshit already?

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/aug/28/rick-santorum/Santorum-Romney-claim-Obama-ending-welfare-work/

The HHS memo

Since 1996, welfare has been administered through block grants to states. The grant program, called Temporary Assistance to Needy Families, or TANF, limits how long families can get aid and requires recipients to eventually go to work. It also includes stringent reporting requirements for states to show they are successfully moving people into the workforce.

A memo from George Sheldon, acting assistant secretary at the Department of Health and Human Services, said the department wanted to give states more flexibility in meeting those requirements. The memo notifies states "of the Secretary’s willingness to exercise her waiver authority ... to allow states to test alternative and innovative strategies, policies, and procedures that are designed to improve employment outcomes for needy families."

What does that mean?

"If you can do a better job connecting people to work, we would consider waiving certain parts of the performance measures and use alternate measures," is how Liz Schott, a senior fellow at the left-leaning Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, translated the memo’s point. (The center supports the plan.)

Schott, who studies welfare policy, said TANF sets guidelines for what activities may count toward meeting the law’s work requirements: jobs, job training, internships or school, to name a few. Beyond that, it puts restrictions on how many hours a welfare client may spend at school, or how many consecutive months they can attend before that activity no longer counts toward the work requirement.

The result: "States are running less-effective programs than they might be because they are so driven by performance measurement as it’s set forth in the federal law," Schott said.

Waiving work requirements, gutting reform?

The waivers, then, would allow for flexibility. For example, someone with a special-needs child might require different work arrangements than are currently allowed. Or a person who needs to improve his or her English skills might require more time to take classes.

"The real starting place is: What’s the most effective program to get this person to work?" Schott said.
Chaoz
Profile Joined March 2010
United States507 Posts
August 29 2012 01:32 GMT
#6914
Listening to the RNC is infuriating.
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
August 29 2012 01:34 GMT
#6915
I wonder what xDaunt is thinking about when he listens to Santorum link pro-life to the American Dream.
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
August 29 2012 01:37 GMT
#6916
Wolf Blitzer just pointed out the obvious -- Santorum's speech had less to do with supporting Romney and more to do with positioning himself for the next election.
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
August 29 2012 01:40 GMT
#6917
I like how on CNN there is a little hurricane graph in the corner.
dvorakftw
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
681 Posts
August 29 2012 01:44 GMT
#6918
On August 29 2012 09:54 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Not to mention the building they are in was built via public/government funds.

Just because something is done one way doesn't mean it should have been done that way or that it couldn't be done a better way. I know there is a cute liberal meme about a guy who doesn't like government and has 100 government things in his everyday life, completely missing the point of the complaints.

But hey, if you really want this fight we can talk about Obama and the Dems being afraid of mentioning they will be in Bank of America Stadium.
dvorakftw
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
681 Posts
August 29 2012 01:45 GMT
#6919
On August 29 2012 10:34 Defacer wrote:
I wonder what xDaunt is thinking about when he listens to Santorum link pro-life to the American Dream.

Hard to dream if you've been torn to shreds in the womb.
Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11583 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-29 01:48:35
August 29 2012 01:47 GMT
#6920
War has completely lost its meaning in political discourse. Actual wars are never called wars. They're always conflicts or police action or something.
But everything else imaginable is a war. "A war on small businesses" or war on fill-in-the-blank.
Moderator5000 of our finest Taliban warriors have been released! Rise up my brothers. Mashalla! al-Donald ibn-Frederick al-Masih allows it.
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