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On November 06 2012 23:50 Signet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 18:24 paralleluniverse wrote:
As for the fiscal cliff, is Signet the only person in this thread who thinks hitting the fiscal cliff is a good idea? Supposing that he is a Republican or at least Republican leaning, then at least he's not a hypocrite on this issue.
Compare this to Romney or other Republicans who believe the fiscal cliff will wreck the economy, while at the same time believing that stimulus is bad and that deficits are bad. Such a belief is self-contradictory and completely hypocritical.
I don't think hitting the cliff is a good idea. I think deficit hawks (which I'm not) should be saddened that neither party is willing to actually go through with it.
Yes, I agree. I've asked that question probably ten times in this thread and no one has been able to answer.
No Republican here is able to explain their hypocrisy on the fiscal cliff. That's one reason why people shouldn't vote for Romney.
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On November 06 2012 23:52 HellRoxYa wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 23:46 DiLiGu wrote:
Just a query to all the gung-ho "you must go vote right now to exercise your power!" people: Do you realize we live in a representative democracy? The American general public has literally zero voice on who our President is. Why isn't everyone all up-in-arms about your House and Senate representatives, who are *way more important* to actually impacting policy than the President?
I just don't get it. We have flagrant bigots and uneducated zealots in elected positions, and everyone only talks about the President. I feel like it's one of the largest misdirections/pacifiers ever perpetrated on the American public.
Edit: Tuesday voting is just a tradition. They tried to change it, for it to make more sense, but Republicans blocked the idea because it would free up too many working-class people to vote Democrat. I realize I need a source for this claim, I'll try to go find one. All well and good for American voters. I'll tell you from an outside perspective, though, the executive is of way more importance. While the president wields very little actual power with regards to internal politics, unless he has the support of the senate and house, he holds almost all the power when it comes to foreign policy. But yes, there seems to have been a gradual shift to looking to the president to solve everything (going back a long time), while also holding him responsible for everything, without realizing that he only rarely has the power people seem to think he does.
I think is part of the problem, the three branches are horizontal to one another, I think many people view the executive at the top.
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On November 06 2012 23:30 ZeaL. wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 23:17 XoXiDe wrote:
Just got done voting, was neat to see the Obama campaign with so many resources being put into use on campus. A number of vans to transport students, one was from Georgia, and also a big Obama/Biden charter bus, not to mention the volunteers outside of the polling place to help students waiting for the van. Didn't see anything comparable from the Romney campaign unless they were dropping off somewhere else but that is kind of unlikely. The Romney buses are at the retirement homes (which probably have a different polling place).
Why am I not surprised about this?
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On November 06 2012 23:55 jpak wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 23:30 ZeaL. wrote:On November 06 2012 23:17 XoXiDe wrote:
Just got done voting, was neat to see the Obama campaign with so many resources being put into use on campus. A number of vans to transport students, one was from Georgia, and also a big Obama/Biden charter bus, not to mention the volunteers outside of the polling place to help students waiting for the van. Didn't see anything comparable from the Romney campaign unless they were dropping off somewhere else but that is kind of unlikely. The Romney buses are at the retirement homes (which probably have a different polling place). Why am I not surprised about this?
The old adage, "All hearts grow old and swing to the right," comes to mind.
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On November 06 2012 23:48 Inquisitor1323 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 23:44 paralleluniverse wrote:On November 06 2012 23:40 Orek wrote:
Interesting that U.S. is voting on Tuesday, a day most people have to go work/school. Is Sunday not an option due to biblical reason? Voting on holiday sounds so much more convinient for many people. I did some googling, and it's not like having election on Tuesday has any modern reason. Yeah, not smart to be holding an election on Tuesday. In Australia, all elections are on Saturday. It's an intricate communist plot to keep the working man from voting.
i'd venture to guess for some americans communist = russian.
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On November 06 2012 23:59 oneofthem wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 23:48 Inquisitor1323 wrote:On November 06 2012 23:44 paralleluniverse wrote:On November 06 2012 23:40 Orek wrote:
Interesting that U.S. is voting on Tuesday, a day most people have to go work/school. Is Sunday not an option due to biblical reason? Voting on holiday sounds so much more convinient for many people. I did some googling, and it's not like having election on Tuesday has any modern reason. Yeah, not smart to be holding an election on Tuesday. In Australia, all elections are on Saturday. It's an intricate communist plot to keep the working man from voting. i'd venture to guess for some americans communist = russian.
Pretty much. Some still have a hard time breaking out of the Cold War mentality.
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On November 06 2012 15:47 Zaqwert wrote:
Today ~30% of people will vote for one guy, ~30% of people will vote for a different guy, ~40% of people won't vote at all.
And the guy who wins will go immediately start forcing a whole bunch of crap on the other 70% of the country because of his "mandate"
Democracy is a joke.
I never asked to be part of this little system, yet I am a slave to it. My rights, my property, my freedoms, all at the whims of millions of other dullards ever couple of years in Novemeber.
I never gave anyone consent or permission to make decisions about my life other than me.
You know - right of the force. No human society can avoid it, you can either realize it and live with it, rant uselessly as anarcho-capitalists do or live as a hermit off the grid. No other option in the near future. And among the realistic societies modern western state is pretty much the best we had in our history.
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Latest Odds updates show a tightening of the odds for an Obama victory. He is now as low priced as 1.14 to win at some bookies and Romney is now out to 5.5 to win! This shows a continuing trend of more bets on Obama to win in the last half day or so, since I last checked the odds. The betting market is convinced of an Obama victory based on these odds.
http://www.oddschecker.com/specials/politics-and-election/us-presidential-election/winner
Blue means odds are decreasing, Red mean odds are increasing.
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Two hour wait here. Three times as many people showing up as 4 years ago!
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On November 06 2012 23:44 paralleluniverse wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 23:40 Orek wrote:
Interesting that U.S. is voting on Tuesday, a day most people have to go work/school. Is Sunday not an option due to biblical reason? Voting on holiday sounds so much more convinient for many people. I did some googling, and it's not like having election on Tuesday has any modern reason. Yeah, not smart to be holding an election on Tuesday. In Australia, all elections are on Saturday.
They hold elections on Tuesdays in America because that's when SC2 servers are down for patch changes. That gives everyone some time to get off the computer for a few minutes, head over to the polls, and be back in time to start the new season or check out if the bunker was changed.
But in all seriousness, I really don't know why we don't have election day on a Saturday or Sunday. Maybe because of religious reasons.
EDIT: Found this... sounds like it makes sense ::shrugs:: http://www.infoplease.com/askeds/election-day-first-tuesday-november.html
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On November 06 2012 23:47 0mar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 20:15 Rannasha wrote:
A system that involves more than 2 parties having a non-trivial participation would be far more effective than compulsory voting.
With just 2 parties going up against eachother, it becomes a matter of the one trying to make the other look bad, ideally with one-liners and stuff pulled out of context. Once you have a larger number of candidates / parties, the focus will turn much more to parties bringing their own message. In addition, things will be more moderate and less pulled to the extremes, because with just 2 parties, each can just pick their extreme of the spectrum and sit there, with a large moderate crowd having to literally choose between the lesser of two evils. America's system is winner take all, so 3rd party candidates cannot be viable. There isn't proportional representation like in most parliamentary systems you have in Europe. There are no run-offs (except in a few states/counties), so even if someone gets 25% of the vote, if that's the highest vote tally, that person is elected.
Yeah, I know that. My suggestion of "a system that involves more than 2 parties having a non-trivial participation" basically implies getting rid of the whole electoral college.
On November 06 2012 23:40 Orek wrote:
Interesting that U.S. is voting on Tuesday, a day most people have to go work/school. Is Sunday not an option due to biblical reason? Voting on holiday sounds so much more convinient for many people. I did some googling, and it's not like having election on Tuesday has any modern reason.
Isn't there some regulation that allows people time off to vote? That's what I'd assume. It's also how things work in the Netherlands, elections are always on workdays, but employers are required by law to allow their employees to go out and vote during working hours (with certain restrictions). It seems weird to have elections on a working day without such a law, as employers could really hinder their employees ability to vote if they wanted to.
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On November 07 2012 00:03 ranshaked wrote:
Two hour wait here. Three times as many people showing up as 4 years ago!
That's a really long time! Took me ten minutes to walk there, five minutes to sign in and cast my votes, and ten minutes to walk home. Less than a half hour for the entire process, from leaving my house to getting home again, and I didn't even use my car.
But I guess it's good that your area had a larger turnout this time 
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On November 06 2012 23:59 oneofthem wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 23:48 Inquisitor1323 wrote:On November 06 2012 23:44 paralleluniverse wrote:On November 06 2012 23:40 Orek wrote:
Interesting that U.S. is voting on Tuesday, a day most people have to go work/school. Is Sunday not an option due to biblical reason? Voting on holiday sounds so much more convinient for many people. I did some googling, and it's not like having election on Tuesday has any modern reason. Yeah, not smart to be holding an election on Tuesday. In Australia, all elections are on Saturday. It's an intricate communist plot to keep the working man from voting. i'd venture to guess for some americans communist = russian.
It's not communist at all. Saturday is where we exercise our capitalist nature and go shopping. There shall be no interruption of that!
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i thought the biggest irony there was communists against workers voting
but then again, in communist states this is a true irony
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A lot of vote Obama hashtags are trending on twitter. None for Romney.
Are liberals just more internet-literate and enthusiastic? Or is it another fun sign in the mountain of state poll evidence that points to Obama winning?
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On November 07 2012 00:07 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2012 00:03 ranshaked wrote:
Two hour wait here. Three times as many people showing up as 4 years ago! That's a really long time! Took me ten minutes to walk there, five minutes to sign in and cast my votes, and ten minutes to walk home. Less than a half hour for the entire process, from leaving my house to getting home again, and I didn't even use my car. But I guess it's good that your area had a larger turnout this time
Yea it's crazy. I'm definitely happy to see this many people
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social media are generally left leaning particularly on environmental and social issues.
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Voted this morning, only took five minutes which was very nice (small town ftw).
Hoping Gary Johnson gets his 5%! One can hope. Obviously this is influenced by the people group I'm surrounded with but a lot of people I know said they voted for Johnson. Looking forward to seeing the results. Feels good to know I voted for the candidate I believed in and I'll be able to say I was part of that very small percentage in the results
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On November 07 2012 00:08 oneofthem wrote:
i thought the biggest irony there was communists against workers voting
but then again, in communist states this is a true irony
There are so many variations of Communism, Socialism, and its derivatives. I see a Communist Party telling its members this as one of the of the, "you are playing into the power structure that is meant to keep you down," which would then be packaged in a nice revolutionary bow.
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On November 07 2012 00:12 oneofthem wrote:
social media are generally left leaning particularly on environmental and social issues.
Social media is communist! It's the gathering of the plebs!
I hope the school next to my house is a polling center.. time to look up polling sites.
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