EPTI realise that the Doha talks are stuck right now not only because of the issues themselves but also because of the global recession. 3 years from now, though, this might be relevant.
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Sbrubbles
Brazil5776 Posts
I realise that the Doha talks are stuck right now not only because of the issues themselves but also because of the global recession. 3 years from now, though, this might be relevant. | ||
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Velocirapture
United States983 Posts
On November 06 2012 20:15 Rannasha wrote: A system that involves more than 2 parties having a non-trivial participation would be far more effective than compulsory voting. With just 2 parties going up against eachother, it becomes a matter of the one trying to make the other look bad, ideally with one-liners and stuff pulled out of context. Once you have a larger number of candidates / parties, the focus will turn much more to parties bringing their own message. In addition, things will be more moderate and less pulled to the extremes, because with just 2 parties, each can just pick their extreme of the spectrum and sit there, with a large moderate crowd having to literally choose between the lesser of two evils. I think that most people who advocate compulsory voting do so with the idea that it creates opportunity for new parties. I honestly don't know much about the Australian system and as far as I know this idea has literally no traction in America. In fact I have never even heard a politician take a stance on it and our politicians spend a lot of time developing opinions about unlikely scenarios. In my view, enthusiasm can only do so much so the change has to be systematic but a punitive system will be dead on arrival. Positive reinforcement is the key if you try this approach in a place like America. | ||
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JinDesu
United States3990 Posts
Thank god Artosis didn't make his prediction. | ||
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Irrelevant Label
United States596 Posts
On November 06 2012 20:57 JinDesu wrote: Tasteless calls for Obama, predicts Romney's loss. Thank god Artosis didn't make his prediction. Yep, the casting archon has spoken. Half of it anyway...close enough. Thread over. I keep expecting a "which candidate has Nestea decided will win?", "which party would each race vote for?" or "which party would asoiaf families vote for?" banter. Running out of time for it though. | ||
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D10
Brazil3409 Posts
On November 06 2012 20:55 Sbrubbles wrote: Question to you guys who are knowledgeable on the issue: in case of a possibility of furthering the Doha round of negotiations within the WTO, which candidate is most likely to compromise on US agricutural policies (ie: cut subsidies) in order to get things rolling and draw compromises from India and Brazil? I realise that the Doha talks are stuck right now not only because of the issues themselves but also because of the global recession. 3 years from now, though, this might be relevant. None, americans have other things on their mind, and Obama is the paragon of doing the wrong compromise for the right reasons | ||
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Sermokala
United States14220 Posts
On November 06 2012 20:55 Sbrubbles wrote: Question to you guys who are knowledgeable on the issue: in case of a possibility of furthering the Doha round of negotiations within the WTO, which candidate is most likely to compromise on US agricutural policies (ie: cut subsidies) in order to get things rolling and draw compromises from India and Brazil? I realise that the Doha talks are stuck right now not only because of the issues themselves but also because of the global recession. 3 years from now, though, this might be relevant. Farmers are solid voters for both parties. Don't expect the government to come anywhere near (making them think that they're getting) screwed over for other countries. Theres enough bitching about NAFTA and how about free trade tends to never benefit the american people and only benefit the rich. The farming industry has always been the backbone of our economy and the political parties. It would be like if america ever made it look like it was doing anything but support isreal, It would be political suicide for that presidents party for 50 years. in other news I took that poll http://www.isidewith.com/ for those that don't want to dig any further back. I agree with my local senetor (amy klobuchar 2012!) more then the republican candidate.but I'm 86% for romney and 36% on obama. | ||
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BluePanther
United States2776 Posts
On November 06 2012 20:55 Sbrubbles wrote: Question to you guys who are knowledgeable on the issue: in case of a possibility of furthering the Doha round of negotiations within the WTO, which candidate is most likely to compromise on US agricutural policies (ie: cut subsidies) in order to get things rolling and draw compromises from India and Brazil? I realise that the Doha talks are stuck right now not only because of the issues themselves but also because of the global recession. 3 years from now, though, this might be relevant. Likely neither. While cutting subsidies is more of a Republican thing, farmers are generally Republican votes. Farm subsidies are generally supported by both parties, regardless of the oral hate sent towards subsidies in general. Every now and then a Republican will call for a cut to farm subsidies, but I doubt it's likely they'll be cut anytime soon given the current political climate. I'm from an agricultural state, and there is no way in hell a senator from our state would vote for removing farm subsidies regardless of party. | ||
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Chriscras
Korea (South)2812 Posts
On November 06 2012 21:04 Irrelevant Label wrote: Yep, the casting archon has spoken. Half of it anyway...close enough. Thread over. I keep expecting a "which candidate has Nestea decided will win?", "which party would each race vote for?" or "which party would asoiaf families vote for?" banter. Running out of time for it though. Zerg would vote Democrat because they are all inclusive and believe in a strong centralized government, Terrans vote Republican because according to lore they are all rednecks, and Protoss vote Libertarian because they are socially liberal but economically conservative. | ||
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Romantic
United States1844 Posts
Gary Johnson, 88%. Mitt Romney, 77%. Virgil Goode, 59%. Barack Obama, 44%. Jill Stein, 15. Republican, 84%. Libertarian, 70%. Democrat, 27%. Green, 16%. Just got back from dropping off my ballot; voted for Romney. Johnson is a particularly good libertarian candidate for me, much better than Ron Paul, but I still went with Romney. I don't find third parties viable, especially not this time around. Better to try to influence the Republican Party towards what I want it to be. On November 06 2012 21:56 BluePanther wrote: Likely neither. While cutting subsidies is more of a Republican thing, farmers are generally Republican votes. Farm subsidies are generally supported by both parties, regardless of the oral hate sent towards subsidies in general. Every now and then a Republican will call for a cut to farm subsidies, but I doubt it's likely they'll be cut anytime soon given the current political climate. I'm from an agricultural state, and there is no way in hell a senator from our state would vote for removing farm subsidies regardless of party. Iowa is an important state in elections too. It will be extra hard to eliminate the subsidies when Iowa plays such a big role in early elections. | ||
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paralleluniverse
4065 Posts
Drew Linzer has Obama winning with 326-212: http://votamatic.org/ Even RCP has Obama winning with 303-235. This is not a close race. Romney's only hope is for all the state polls to be biased against him, and there is a small, but unlikely chance of that. Ahh there's a summary of predictions here: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/11/05/pundit-accountability-the-official-2012-election-prediction-thread/ | ||
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BluePanther
United States2776 Posts
 GL everyone! | ||
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MVega
763 Posts
On November 06 2012 22:43 paralleluniverse wrote: Nate Silver has Obama at 91.4% with 314.6-223.4. Drew Linzer has Obama winning with 326-212: http://votamatic.org/ Even RCP has Obama winning with 303-235. This is not a close race. Romney's only hope is for all the state polls to be biased against him, and there is a small, but unlikely chance of that. Ahh there's a summary of predictions here: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/11/05/pundit-accountability-the-official-2012-election-prediction-thread/ Keeping in mind I'm an Obama supporter, it's much closer than that in reality. Haha. | ||
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MstrJinbo
United States1251 Posts
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Praetorial
United States4241 Posts
On November 06 2012 21:59 Chriscras wrote: Zerg would vote Democrat because they are all inclusive and believe in a strong centralized government, Terrans vote Republican because according to lore they are all rednecks, and Protoss vote Libertarian because they are socially liberal but economically conservative. Are you joking? Protoss are the most socially conservative race out there! They restrict where children can go to school and attempted to commit genocide over some people cutting off their own body parts! | ||
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Praetorial
United States4241 Posts
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paralleluniverse
4065 Posts
I think the humor flew right over your head. He's not serious. | ||
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a176
Canada6688 Posts
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MstrJinbo
United States1251 Posts
On November 06 2012 23:01 a176 wrote: When do polls close? Usually between 7 and 9 local time depending on the state. The actual results will slowly (emphasis on slowly) trickle in over the night. | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
Voted Obama. Would vote Johnson but I vote in Nevada so my vote actually matters. | ||
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