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On November 02 2012 11:02 Sermokala wrote:
From the religious people that I know (we talk about the election togeather and how we're gona steal the election from the democrats from our tax exempt cabins up north don't tell the govt k?) Mormanism is a cult inside utah, outside of that its a pretty normal religion. Mormanism is really fucked up and a lot of guys I know wouldn't want anything to do with a morman as president. But beacuse obama seems to be making it a non issue and romney is from mass Its not really being brought up with people.
Obama can't bring it up because he'd get destroyed attacking his opponent for his religious beliefs. Romney never brings it up because its bat-shit crazy and people would never take him seriously.
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On November 02 2012 11:09 mynameisgreat11 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2012 11:02 Sermokala wrote:
From the religious people that I know (we talk about the election togeather and how we're gona steal the election from the democrats from our tax exempt cabins up north don't tell the govt k?) Mormanism is a cult inside utah, outside of that its a pretty normal religion. Mormanism is really fucked up and a lot of guys I know wouldn't want anything to do with a morman as president. But beacuse obama seems to be making it a non issue and romney is from mass Its not really being brought up with people. Obama can't bring it up because he'd get destroyed attacking his opponent for his religious beliefs. Romney never brings it up because its bat-shit crazy and people would never take him seriously.
Agreed. Attacking someones religion is an easy way to make yourself look dumb to the democrat majority. The inverse is true for non-christians with the republican party though. Romney won't say a word because it'd be horrible for him to bring it up.
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Cayman Islands24199 Posts
this idea of religious toleration is itself predicated upon a religious approach to religion, so to speak. it's to honor someone's 'faith', respect their 'religion'. a community of believers etc. once you describe the stuation in non-religious terms it loses all sanctity, and instead becomes a pragmatic discussion on the usefulness of respecting strong beliefs. there is after all, no extra-religious reasons to give religious beliefs particular weight outside of their functional role in the person. (a special 'religious' faculty of mind may be invoked here but at this point we are talking about stuff like respecting sacred symbols for a person, which is religious participation in itself)
should use your sanctimony on more worthwhile things, like respecting other people's wellbeing and status as a fellow participant. hugs for everyone
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On November 02 2012 11:56 oneofthem wrote:
this idea of religious toleration is itself predicated upon a religious approach to religion, so to speak. it's to honor someone's 'faith', respect their 'religion'. once you describe the stuation in non-religious terms it loses all sanctity,, and instead becomes a pragmatic discussion on the usefulness of respecting strong beliefs.
should use your sanctimony on more worthwhile things, like respecting other people's wellbeing and status as a fellow participant. hugs for everyone
Mormonism can be criticized in religious terms from a religious point of reference imo.
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On November 02 2012 11:06 xDaunt wrote:
Christ, this election needs to end. Now I am getting like 6+ calls per day from pollsters and robo-call ads. I hang up on all of them promptly.
What state are you in? I see pretty much nothing... no calls, not even too many of those signs in front of peoples houses.
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I think Romney overestimated how easily most Americans can be manipulated. They usually ignore flip flops and absorb misinformation like champs but straight up lying backfired.
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
On November 02 2012 12:09 ZeaL. wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2012 11:06 xDaunt wrote:
Christ, this election needs to end. Now I am getting like 6+ calls per day from pollsters and robo-call ads. I hang up on all of them promptly. What state are you in? I see pretty much nothing... no calls, not even too many of those signs in front of peoples houses.
Even in Minnesota, we're getting presidential ads now. They're more aimed at Wisco and maybe Iowa though. But we have two extremely important ballot measures to defeat (ban gay marriage and voter ID) and the cities are rolling with activity on those. I've gotten called three times this week, twice from phone banks at my own school.
On November 02 2012 12:15 Feartheguru wrote:
I think Romney overestimated how easily most Americans can be manipulated. They usually ignore flip flops and absorb misinformation like champs but straight up lying backfired.
Obviously not nationally, since 48.5% or more of the country will vote for him, but it might put the nail in the coffin of his campaign in Ohio, where the media is shredding his Jeep to China claim. Might've been a lie too far.
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On November 02 2012 12:09 ZeaL. wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2012 11:06 xDaunt wrote:
Christ, this election needs to end. Now I am getting like 6+ calls per day from pollsters and robo-call ads. I hang up on all of them promptly. What state are you in? I see pretty much nothing... no calls, not even too many of those signs in front of peoples houses.
Colorado. Plus I'm in public records as a voter and homeowner. I'm a prime target demographically.
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Robo-call ads....? Let me get this straight. Your phone rings and when you pick up you get a commercial in your ear? I guess I misunderstand the concept, cause I really can't believe this sorts of advertising would be beneficial for the advertiser.
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On November 02 2012 12:20 YDidUAbortMe wrote:
Robo-call ads....? Let me get this straight. Your phone rings and when you pick up you get a commercial in your ear? I guess I misunderstand the concept, cause I really can't believe this sorts of advertising would be beneficial for the advertiser.
I saw some internal GOP studies on this. It's incredibly effective, even if you piss them off with it.
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On November 02 2012 12:20 YDidUAbortMe wrote:
Robo-call ads....? Let me get this straight. Your phone rings and when you pick up you get a commercial in your ear? I guess I misunderstand the concept, cause I really can't believe this sorts of advertising would be beneficial for the advertiser.
Politicians aren't the only ones that do it. All sorts of advertisers targeting businesses do it as well.
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2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
I'm surprised it's effective, considering me and the people I know always hang up immediately when we get those calls.
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Older, more likely voters are also more likely to consider hanging up rude.
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If I'm going to have a phone call wasting my time, I want someone on the other end wasting their time. I hang up on them, the few that I get.
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On November 02 2012 12:33 farvacola wrote:
Older, more likely voters are also more likely to consider hanging up rude.
Or are really appreciative of the human contact since they're lonely.
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2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
On November 02 2012 12:35 aksfjh wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2012 12:33 farvacola wrote:
Older, more likely voters are also more likely to consider hanging up rude. Or are really appreciative of the human contact since they're lonely.
That's very depressing. Now you make me want to call up random old people...
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On November 02 2012 12:39 Souma wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2012 12:35 aksfjh wrote:On November 02 2012 12:33 farvacola wrote:
Older, more likely voters are also more likely to consider hanging up rude. Or are really appreciative of the human contact since they're lonely. That's very depressing. Now you make me want to call up random old people...
Don't worry, sam!zdat is calling them up for dates. They'll be plenty entertained.
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On November 02 2012 11:56 oneofthem wrote:
this idea of religious toleration is itself predicated upon a religious approach to religion, so to speak. it's to honor someone's 'faith', respect their 'religion'. a community of believers etc. once you describe the stuation in non-religious terms it loses all sanctity, and instead becomes a pragmatic discussion on the usefulness of respecting strong beliefs. there is after all, no extra-religious reasons to give religious beliefs particular weight outside of their functional role in the person. (a special 'religious' faculty of mind may be invoked here but at this point we are talking about stuff like respecting sacred symbols for a person, which is religious participation in itself)
should use your sanctimony on more worthwhile things, like respecting other people's wellbeing and status as a fellow participant. hugs for everyone Pretty sure respect for religion could be predicated on fucking humility, respect for the rights and conscience of an individual, respect for tradition [burkean knowledge etc]. I'm sure if your some illiberal statist dick [which it seems most people in our generation are today] it seems rather obvious that religion only should be given legal and social respect insofar as it produces objective results. But well, thats morally disgusting [something I expect that same group of people dont even believe exists objectively].
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