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xDaunt

United States17988 Posts

November 02 2012 01:32 GMT

#23001

On November 02 2012 10:31 Risen wrote:
Holy shit he knows his stuff. I always assumed politicians were religious just for appearances. Apparently not?

He was a Mormon bishop.

oneofthem

Cayman Islands24199 Posts

November 02 2012 01:34 GMT

#23002

mormons are a cult with very reactionary positions on a variety of issues.

apparently they have these 'excommunication' things too obviously a form of exile and in earlier ages meant probable death for the guy being exiled. it's social control

mynameisgreat11

599 Posts

November 02 2012 01:35 GMT

#23003

Any Mormon can tell you that, and a lot more. They teach it to you when you're a kid.

mynameisgreat11

599 Posts

November 02 2012 01:37 GMT

#23004

On November 02 2012 10:34 oneofthem wrote:
mormons are a cult with very reactionary positions on a variety of issues.

apparently they have these 'excommunication' things too obviously a form of exile and in earlier ages meant probable death for the guy being exiled. it's social control

Nah, church didn't start until the 19th century, so putting people to death didn't fly in general. It just means you're shunned by all your neighbors and family, no biggie.

oneofthem

Cayman Islands24199 Posts

November 02 2012 01:37 GMT

#23005

rofl missouri this is real.

FeUerFlieGe

United States1193 Posts

November 02 2012 01:39 GMT

#23006

I don't know... Romney's position on issues doesn't seem to be a reaction to his church.

oneofthem

Cayman Islands24199 Posts

November 02 2012 01:40 GMT

#23007

the problem with that idea is that you assume his public declarations reflect his sincere beliefs.

ThreeAcross

172 Posts

November 02 2012 01:45 GMT

#23008

On November 02 2012 10:40 oneofthem wrote:
the problem with that idea is that you assume his public declarations reflect his sincere beliefs.

That is a problem with any politician, not just Mitt Romney.

farvacola

United States18845 Posts

November 02 2012 01:46 GMT

#23009

I spent a fair amount of time researching Mormonism due to one of my good friends while growing up being Mormon, and I do not find much of redeeming quality. Their religious canon approaches Biblical matters in a very haphazard way; it is as though they had forgotten that the Bible's original authors lived well over a thousand years ago in their authorship, and it comes off as accordingly silly. The golden plates and "biblical" revisionist history of Joseph Smith seem like little more than an adhoc excuse to run off into the woods with a bunch of women and pretend no one can touch you. Then again, read the holy books yourself, my opinion is somewhat biased. That kid I grew up with ended up molesting his sister, and then have the Mormon church and the rest of his family basically give him penitential refuge so that he could properly "atone for his sins".

mynameisgreat11

599 Posts

November 02 2012 01:50 GMT

#23010

On November 02 2012 10:46 farvacola wrote:
I spent a fair amount of time researching Mormonism due to one of my good friends while growing up being Mormon, and I do not find much of redeeming quality. Their religious canon approaches Biblical matters in a very haphazard way; it is as though they had forgotten that the Bible's original authors lived well over a thousand years ago in their authorship, and it comes off as accordingly silly. The golden plates and "biblical" revisionist history of Joseph Smith seem like little more than an adhoc excuse to run off into the woods with a bunch of women and pretend no one can touch you. Then again, read the holy books yourself, my opinion is somewhat biased. That kid I grew up with ended up molesting his sister, and then have the Mormon church and the rest of his family basically give him penitential refuge so that he could properly "atone for his sins".

If you've ever seen the South Park episode where they play out the origins of the church, it is actually 100% accurate, if not flatteringly presented.

oneofthem

Cayman Islands24199 Posts

November 02 2012 01:54 GMT

#23011

On November 02 2012 10:45 ThreeAcross wrote:

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That is a problem with any politician, not just Mitt Romney.

obama is pretty honest.

Feartheguru

Canada1334 Posts

November 02 2012 01:57 GMT

#23012

I think Romney committing critical time in Pennsylvania is a sign of desperation now, his "expanding the map" explanation makes 0 sense if he thinks he can win on the swing states. You don't commit time on the last day to "expand the map" if you're feeling good about your chances.

farvacola

United States18845 Posts

November 02 2012 02:00 GMT

#23013

Obama will win Florida. They know hurricanes and they know responses, and if they're smart they know Obama's FEMA guy is Jeb Bush's guy.

Edit: And yes myname, that South Park episode is one of the best.

Sermokala

United States14079 Posts

November 02 2012 02:02 GMT

#23014

From the religious people that I know (we talk about the election togeather and how we're gona steal the election from the democrats from our tax exempt cabins up north don't tell the govt k?) Mormanism is a cult inside utah, outside of that its a pretty normal religion. Mormanism is really fucked up and a lot of guys I know wouldn't want anything to do with a morman as president. But beacuse obama seems to be making it a non issue and romney is from mass Its not really being brought up with people.

xDaunt

United States17988 Posts

November 02 2012 02:06 GMT

#23015

Christ, this election needs to end. Now I am getting like 6+ calls per day from pollsters and robo-call ads. I hang up on all of them promptly.

BluePanther

United States2776 Posts

November 02 2012 02:07 GMT

#23016

On November 02 2012 11:02 Sermokala wrote:
From the religious people that I know (we talk about the election togeather and how we're gona steal the election from the democrats from our tax exempt cabins up north don't tell the govt k?) Mormanism is a cult inside utah, outside of that its a pretty normal religion. Mormanism is really fucked up and a lot of guys I know wouldn't want anything to do with a morman as president. But beacuse obama seems to be making it a non issue and romney is from mass Its not really being brought up with people.

what the hell did i just read?

BluePanther

United States2776 Posts

November 02 2012 02:08 GMT

#23017

On November 02 2012 11:06 xDaunt wrote:
Christ, this election needs to end. Now I am getting like 6+ calls per day from pollsters and robo-call ads. I hang up on all of them promptly.

GOTV starts tomorrow! Actually

I hate calling people

farvacola

United States18845 Posts

November 02 2012 02:08 GMT

#23018

On November 02 2012 11:06 xDaunt wrote:
Christ, this election needs to end. Now I am getting like 6+ calls per day from pollsters and robo-call ads. I hang up on all of them promptly.

Yes, that is one of the downsides of living in a swing state. My Ohio area code cell phone is blowing up everyday all day and I'm losing my mind.

Leporello

United States2845 Posts

November 02 2012 02:08 GMT

#23019

I don't really care if it's a "weird" religion or cult, my only problem is it isn't a world religion, it's a Christian epilogue made by Americans for Americans to tell us Jesus came to America. The whole premise of the religion makes for a horrible image to other Christian-predominant countries.

Souma

2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts

November 02 2012 02:09 GMT

#23020

It's funny because my friend from Pakistan respects Americans who are Mormon more than those from other Christian denominations, though he doesn't mind Catholics. Kind of expected though I suppose.