EPTAge Hierarchy Power in Asia is too much ? - Page 6
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evanthebouncy!
United States12796 Posts
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spkim1
Canada286 Posts
On April 10 2012 16:28 Supamang wrote: Bullshit. I've seen my Korean friends fucked with simply because they were younger. There was no reason other than the fact that the older guy could get away with it. To tell you the truth, I honestly think its only to this extreme in Korean culture. I never saw this shit while I was in Japan, it's never been that emphasized growing up as the youngest son in a Taiwanese family (parents are from Taiwan). And yet I hear about this from Koreans even here in the States. Does anyone have a similar experience? Right. In a way this is how a part of me felt, in a more suppressed, weaker way. I thought this was a load of bullshit of an excuse to whack younger ones. Whatever the reason slapping the face of an outside person (not within family) is unforgivable. 끈끈한 선후배의 우정 사이라고 ? (Strongly-bonded friendship relation between seniors and juniors ?) 웃기고 있네. 멍멍 ! ㄲㄲ (sounds like dog barks) 조금만 더 우정 쌓다간 이빨 날라가겠다 ㅆㅂ (More friendship and you'll end up with no teeth) Is what I thought in my head. Then again, a part of me said to just let this whole business go, because it's really got nothing to do with me as long as he doesn't try his crap on me. This is why I was considering leaving this whole circle completely, because it just looked too silly to remain any more. And I see many people share my thinking in this forum. Nevertheless, I want to clarify that not all Koreans are like this, and others are really awesome ! I'll try and join a cool group and blend in as one of their awesome members ! | ||
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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17732 Posts
On April 10 2012 16:28 Supamang wrote: Bullshit. I've seen my Korean friends fucked with simply because they were younger. There was no reason other than the fact that the older guy could get away with it. To tell you the truth, I honestly think its only to this extreme in Korean culture. I never saw this shit while I was in Japan, it's never been that emphasized growing up as the youngest son in a Taiwanese family (parents are from Taiwan). And yet I hear about this from Koreans even here in the States. Does anyone have a similar experience? I never denied that a senior will fuck with his junior just because he can. It happens and in some cases a lot but there are also people who don't. I never claimed that this was the case for the op. The thing is none of us were there when this happened except for the op, so we have only his word. The situation he described could be just a case of seniors just fucking with their juniors but there are times when it isn't. | ||
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danl9rm
United States3111 Posts
On April 10 2012 15:53 Meta wrote: Being indebted to your own family is one thing, but respecting random strangers because they have wrinkles is ridiculous. I just can't help but think your tune would change if you were older. Call me assuming, but in order to argue, I'm going to allow myself to [assume]. Most people that can't find the merit in respecting elders are not only generally young, but have a chip on their shoulders as to why elders don't deserve respect. That is not only my experience, but still a generalization and assumption. So, instead of always imagining being the youth in the situation, place yourself as the elder. Have you ever babsat (is that a word?) before? Have you ever had a 3 yr old kid spit in your face because he/she didn't want to listen to what you said? You might say it didn't cross your mind, but I wouldn't believe it if you said the thought, "What a little brat." never passed. | ||
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Roflhaxx
Korea (South)1244 Posts
On April 10 2012 20:29 spkim1 wrote: Right. In a way this is how a part of me felt, in a more suppressed, weaker way. I thought this was a load of bullshit of an excuse to whack younger ones. Whatever the reason slapping the face of an outside person (not within family) is unforgivable. 끈끈한 선후배의 우정 사이라고 ? (Strongly-bonded friendship relation between seniors and juniors ?) 웃기고 있네. 멍멍 ! ㄲㄲ (sounds like dog barks) 조금만 더 우정 쌓다간 이빨 날라가겠다 ㅆㅂ (More friendship and you'll end up with no teeth) Is what I thought in my head. Then again, a part of me said to just let this whole business go, because it's really got nothing to do with me as long as he doesn't try his crap on me. This is why I was considering leaving this whole circle completely, because it just looked too silly to remain any more. And I see many people share my thinking in this forum. Nevertheless, I want to clarify that not all Koreans are like this, and others are really awesome ! I'll try and join a cool group and blend in as one of their awesome members ! Wait..what? So slapping someone IN your family is okay? That is even worse what the f--- only times ever really been slapped is by male friends (i'd slap em back) or by girls (deserved it). If someone in my family slapped me however, the reason better be damn good otherwise it will probably be the last time they see me in a couple of years, i'd pack my bags and leave, really. | ||
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MethodSC
United States928 Posts
On April 11 2012 05:01 danl9rm wrote: I just can't help but think your tune would change if you were older. Call me assuming, but in order to argue, I'm going to allow myself to [assume]. Most people that can't find the merit in respecting elders are not only generally young, but have a chip on their shoulders as to why elders don't deserve respect. That is not only my experience, but still a generalization and assumption. So, instead of always imagining being the youth in the situation, place yourself as the elder. Have you ever babsat (is that a word?) before? Have you ever had a 3 yr old kid spit in your face because he/she didn't want to listen to what you said? You might say it didn't cross your mind, but I wouldn't believe it if you said the thought, "What a little brat." never passed. There's a huge difference between expecting a 3 year old child to listen to you and an adult. Or are you implying that the posters against repsecting the elders are 3 years old? Your argument makes no sense. | ||
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Rob28
Canada705 Posts
That being said, people around my age grew up in the Information Age, and we know a lot more than older generations. Hell, our Grade 9 curriculum now is pretty much what they went off to learn in first-year university. So I think their claims to "knowing more than we do because they are older" is total BS. | ||
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taldarimAltar
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Waterflow
Sweden1550 Posts
Like for example someone might punch a younger guy in the gut just because he has the power to do so without giving much reason for it. On the other hand another guy might just say to a younger guy: Here take this money and go buy me a soda and hurry up. Both are power abuse. Ofcourse not everyone abuses power but many do. Im not like that for example. I do ask people for favours sometimes though. Sadly bullying exists in whatever country you live in and people will always crave power. There will be peace in the world when it no more exists! | ||
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Sitinte
United States499 Posts
I don't exactly agree with what the sunbae did, but what I would've done is ask if everyone was alright (because 'drunk' might have seemed offensive to the other party at the time) as connotation and word choice is important in these scenarios. I have to face this on a daily basis; I really want to talk casually to my parents and older relatives like my friends do with their families but it's like playing on a minefield. Edit: However, whenever a hoobae comes to me and calls me 'hyung' or 'oppa', I tell them to stop it because it makes me feel uncomfortable (okay, half true; the girls can continue calling me 'oppa') | ||
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sunprince
United States2258 Posts
On April 11 2012 05:01 danl9rm wrote: Have you ever babsat (is that a word?) before? Have you ever had a 3 yr old kid spit in your face because he/she didn't want to listen to what you said? You might say it didn't cross your mind, but I wouldn't believe it if you said the thought, "What a little brat." never passed. There is a fundamental difference between the intellectual gap from an adult to a toddler, and the intellectual gap between an older adult and a younger adult. The latter involves two mature entities, while the former does not. If elderly people think of young adults the way they would 3-year-olds, then that explains a lot as to why they feel entitled to demand unearned respect. | ||
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0123456789
United States3216 Posts
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joe_
30 Posts
On April 11 2012 07:18 sunprince wrote: There is a fundamental difference between the intellectual gap from an adult to a toddler, and the intellectual gap between an older adult and a younger adult. The latter involves two mature entities, while the former does not. If elderly people think of young adults the way they would 3-year-olds, then that explains a lot as to why they feel entitled to demand unearned respect. Exactly! Yes, a three year old need to respect their elders because they don't understand the world well enough to make their own decisions. Once someone is able to understand the world around them and make their own decisions they deserve no less or more respect than anyone else capable of the same things. | ||
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danl9rm
United States3111 Posts
On April 11 2012 07:24 joe_ wrote: Exactly! Yes, a three year old need to respect their elders because they don't understand the world well enough to make their own decisions. Once someone is able to understand the world around them and make their own decisions they deserve no less or more respect than anyone else capable of the same things. Does no one else see the silliness in this? You say a 3-year old should respect his elders because he's too young to understand the world "well enough to make his own decisions," and yet he must make the decision to respect his elders. What the. If respect was only given to those "capable," there would be very little respect floating around. Should we only respect the people in Gold league and above? What about just diamond+, master+? grandmaster? Someone is always going to deserve more respect than you. If that means you don't have to respect your "lessers," no one would respect anyone. | ||
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zalz
Netherlands3704 Posts
We should take the word and shoot it behind the shed, because it is only being used by12 year olds that demand it, and religious people that can't take a verbal beating. | ||
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Cybren
United States206 Posts
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kafkaesque
Germany2006 Posts
On April 10 2012 09:13 HaRuHi wrote: German point of view: Respect the elder - since when has withering become an accomplishment? Dieter Nuhr?  | ||
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Gajarell
Germany29 Posts
Of course there are way better reasons to respect someone: - he is stronger then me - she looks good - he laid more girls - they are already respected in the social circle someone is entering (sounds familiar?) - they are (appearing) smarter ... And that gives the alpha the right to decide which film is gonna be watched tonight, hell finally a sound system | ||
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